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GeorgeDaMoose
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Okay I gotta say it, FUCK Major Kira. Like fuck that cunt, fuck her and her gay little faggoty boyfriends. Jesus Christ Odo is so damn sweet and he's just a great dude and of course she fucks around with a Vedek who looks like he had a bit too much plastic surgery and some ex-resistance farmer playing prime minister. Odo needs to get some loving fast.
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She's just a Bajoran. What do you expect from her? You might as well ask a tribble to be a surgeon. It's simply beyond the capabilities of the species.
LOL. my boyfriend also hates Kira. I kind of like her though. I'm going to send him this because it's hilarious.
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I've got the Enterprise episode "In a Mirror, Darkly" part 1 playing right now, and I never get tired of it. Watching everyone play against type is a lot of fun, and Bakula chewing the scenery makes my day every time. Makes me mad that we didn't get to revisit that story line to see how things developed.
They do continue where it left off with the Mirror Universe series novels, which try to string together all the Mirror Universe stuff into something that makes sense and for the most part succeed.
Without spoiling anything too much, they elaborate on Intendant Kira's comment about how Mirror Spock took over the Terran Empire, how the Klingons and Cardassians wound up allying, explains some more how the Mirror Universe became the evil counterpart to our own (it goes pretty far back, even throwing in a mention that President Wilson was purposely poisoned by his own wife so she could run the US in his place instead of it being an honest stroke in our world), dials back the cliche villainly while keeping things pretty damn dark, and it ends on a mostly happy note, though with an ominous "oh dear, the Dominion might be a threat in this universe too....maybe?" stinger attached.
They also manage to make the Borg look downright nice by comparison in this universe (they have same goal as always, but even they are a bit horrified by the cruelty of the Mirror Universe versions of the people they'd like to conquer, and you could argue in some ways they'd be a lesser evil), and they manage to make Mirror Duras a mostly believable good guy, though they don't really go into detail as to how he wound up that way.
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GeorgeDaMoose
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I don't hate her, but I get mad at her more than any other character in DS9. Like fucking hell from her religion, to her arrogance, to her treatment of Odo when a fucking FERENGI SPACE JEW could tell he loves her I want to strangle her a lot. Jesus Christ and in Accession she gives up her job and her common sense because some poet schmuck who got saved by an alien race who can't begin to understand the concept of time sent him back to the wrong year and claimed to be the Emissary. Bajorans and their fucking dumb religion makes me so mad sometimes, like god fucking dammit they were ready to go back to a god damned CASTE system because of some fag claiming to work for their wormhole alie - I mean the Prophets.
On another note Season 4 is really fun. I thought I was going to be really disappointed right off the bat with The Visitor episode, but I ended up liking it a lot. Homefront/Paradise Lost was really good too and it had some really great mind fucker-y with some of the "foreshadowing". I think the only episode that I have serious issues with was the Rules of Engagement episode where they made a really odd choice in how they presented Worf's trial. Having characters look into the camera and talk about the trial while the scene is set during a flashback was really dumb. Like holy fuck, when Jadzia had a mek'leth to her throat and then it cuts to her talking about Worf's killing instinct while she looks directly at the camera.
Also the writers still hate O'Brien. 20 years in a some simulated mental prison please give the dude a fucking break.
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This sounds pretty interesting. I've never read the novels. fun fact, one of our mra lolcows, Ian ironwood, wrote a next gen novel.
I think if you give kira a chance you may be pleasantly surprised.
Or maybe still hate her. I don't like her/Bajorans religious devotion either.
That simulated prison episode was fucked up. I don't even remember what season it was? not bad in concept, just one in a long line of episodes that torture O'Brien
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I dunno, I found mirror Kira to be a rather interesting turn of character.
The normal Kira is a rather boring character without much depth or conflict but mirror Kira is all kinds of awesome evil.
Too bad 99% of DS9's character are shit and written written as such.
The normal Kira is a rather boring character without much depth or conflict but mirror Kira is all kinds of awesome evil.
Too bad 99% of DS9's character are shit and written written as such.
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Fuck mirror Spock for destroying the Terran Empire's glorious conquest of the galaxy.
Well, there is a reason for it, implied in TOS and Enterprise, which the Mirror Universe books expand on.
The comment Kirk made to Mirror Spock about how the Terran Empire could not continue to exist as it was because it was something that was self destructive and it's self destruction was something no logical being could sensibly support struck a chord with Mirror Spock, mainly because Mirror Vulcans in general long had opposed the very system they had been made part of for similar reasons, having predicted the Terran Empire would eventually collapse under the weight of its own self destructive tendencies.
Mirror Spock took this to heart, and set about slowly but surely working his way up the chain of command until he became Emperor, slowly but surely trying to nudge the Terran Empire into becoming the Terran Republic, in a bizarro world version of the Roman Empire reverting back to its Republic origins.
As implied by the Enterprise Mirror Universe episodes, we also find out the Terran Empire really only held a military advantage for so long because of the discovery of the USS Defiant they recovered post-The Tholian Web that allowed their Enterprise level technology to leap frog to the TOS era, and since the Mirror Universe had much a lower level of scientific progress compared to the Prime Universe, it merely provided the Mirror Vulcans more proof the Terran Empire was doomed to fail.
However, Mirror Spock also knew that his own efforts were doomed to fail because the Terran Empire had made a ton of enemies that would seek to destroy them if he made them more like the Prime Universe Federation, so he decided to leave the pieces in place for a long term rebellion against those very enemies before his death.
Around the same time, Praxis exploded like it did in the Prime Universe, and instead of seeking peace with the Terrans to acquire aid to survive, the Klingons teamed up with the Cardassians to conquer the now weakened Terran Republic, taking down Spock in the process.
Spock had prepared for this beforehand, and the reason the rebellion was succeeding as the DS9 era occurred was due to his long game plans slowly but surely bearing fruit, and the reasons for Terok Nor winding up in the Rebellion's hands was due to the crossover event of Prime Kira and Bashir providing the Terran Rebels an opportunity to turn the tables on their oppressors, and as the Mirror Universe novels further elaborate, by this time Spock's long term rebel agents had compromised every level of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance.
Due to a combination of good luck and constant sabotage, the Klingon-Cardassian alliance goes down (with some help from Mirror Duras, whose family had been convinced Mirror Spock's own prophecy the end of the Klingon-Cardassian alliance would be even more painful in the long term so they became agents of that rebellion, with Mirror Duras eventually taking the Klingons out of the alliance once everything went to hell), and the Mirror Universe Federation is eventually born.
The logic Mirror Spock set in place long term was "this universe had known evil so long that when good had a chance, it had inspired people to believe in something better", but he knew the Terran Republic would never totally endure past his death and would fall back to its old ways, so he set things up so it would fall to the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance before they could revert to their former barbaric ways, leaving the Terran Republic's last memories as a society of equality and progress defeated by barbarians so that when those very barbarians were defeated, they would want a return to the days when all beings walked free and unoppressed even more and would fight to make sure they could keep that even more then they ever desired cruelty and oppression, now they knew what it was like to be on the receiving end.
Mirror Spock took this to heart, and set about slowly but surely working his way up the chain of command until he became Emperor, slowly but surely trying to nudge the Terran Empire into becoming the Terran Republic, in a bizarro world version of the Roman Empire reverting back to its Republic origins.
As implied by the Enterprise Mirror Universe episodes, we also find out the Terran Empire really only held a military advantage for so long because of the discovery of the USS Defiant they recovered post-The Tholian Web that allowed their Enterprise level technology to leap frog to the TOS era, and since the Mirror Universe had much a lower level of scientific progress compared to the Prime Universe, it merely provided the Mirror Vulcans more proof the Terran Empire was doomed to fail.
However, Mirror Spock also knew that his own efforts were doomed to fail because the Terran Empire had made a ton of enemies that would seek to destroy them if he made them more like the Prime Universe Federation, so he decided to leave the pieces in place for a long term rebellion against those very enemies before his death.
Around the same time, Praxis exploded like it did in the Prime Universe, and instead of seeking peace with the Terrans to acquire aid to survive, the Klingons teamed up with the Cardassians to conquer the now weakened Terran Republic, taking down Spock in the process.
Spock had prepared for this beforehand, and the reason the rebellion was succeeding as the DS9 era occurred was due to his long game plans slowly but surely bearing fruit, and the reasons for Terok Nor winding up in the Rebellion's hands was due to the crossover event of Prime Kira and Bashir providing the Terran Rebels an opportunity to turn the tables on their oppressors, and as the Mirror Universe novels further elaborate, by this time Spock's long term rebel agents had compromised every level of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance.
Due to a combination of good luck and constant sabotage, the Klingon-Cardassian alliance goes down (with some help from Mirror Duras, whose family had been convinced Mirror Spock's own prophecy the end of the Klingon-Cardassian alliance would be even more painful in the long term so they became agents of that rebellion, with Mirror Duras eventually taking the Klingons out of the alliance once everything went to hell), and the Mirror Universe Federation is eventually born.
The logic Mirror Spock set in place long term was "this universe had known evil so long that when good had a chance, it had inspired people to believe in something better", but he knew the Terran Republic would never totally endure past his death and would fall back to its old ways, so he set things up so it would fall to the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance before they could revert to their former barbaric ways, leaving the Terran Republic's last memories as a society of equality and progress defeated by barbarians so that when those very barbarians were defeated, they would want a return to the days when all beings walked free and unoppressed even more and would fight to make sure they could keep that even more then they ever desired cruelty and oppression, now they knew what it was like to be on the receiving end.
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DS9 taught important lessons in tolerance. Like "maybe there's a reason for systemic genocide sometimes and we should tolerate it if it's aimed at shitty cultures".
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The speech in the second part, the unedited version that is, is hilarious. Shows Scott Bakula no longer gave a shit (the show was cancelled while these episodes were filming I believe).
Also Major Kira is one of the best Trek characters, hands down.
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I guess because I never watch a Trek season from start to finish, but episodes like The Pegasus, Lower Decks, Parallels, Pre-Emptive Strike, All Good Things, those are some of my favorite episodes, leaves me rather liking the seventh season.
It's certainly an improvement over the previous three seasons, but I wouldn't call it all that great. It still has characterization, acting problems alongside a much cheaper look due to the budget cut and goes way too far with its continuity bonzana, like a pointless two episodes about why Klingons don't have forehead ridges in TOS (exciting plot!), when I think everyone accepted improved budget and makeup for the reasoning a long time ago. And it has that horrific final episode, ironically right after a two parter that was far more fitting for the finale (the final two parter are some of the few ENT episodes I really like).
I guess because I never watch a Trek season from start to finish, but episodes like The Pegasus, Lower Decks, Parallels, Pre-Emptive Strike, All Good Things, those are some of my favorite episodes, leaves me rather liking the seventh season.
It's certainly an improvement over the previous three seasons, but I wouldn't call it all that great. It still has characterization, acting problems alongside a much cheaper look due to the budget cut and goes way too far with its continuity bonzana, like a pointless two episodes about why Klingons don't have forehead ridges in TOS (exciting plot!), when I think everyone accepted improved budget and makeup for the reasoning a long time ago. And it has that horrific final episode, ironically right after a two parter that was far more fitting for the finale (the final two parter are some of the few ENT episodes I really like).
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They were in the middle of filming the Mirror episodes when they found out they had been cancelled.
Interesting, I'd always assumed they knew it was going to be cancelled before the Mirror episodes and just went "fuck it" but came up with something great.
I like her but why?
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Just well acted and well written, but then again most of the DS9 cast is. Not sure why I like her so much. Maybe because she's the replacement for when they couldnt get Ro Laren back, another of my favorite characters.
GeorgeDaMoose
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Season 5 was so fucking good and the ending of it was great and then the beginning of Season 6 is literally orgasm worthy so far and this shit is literally fucking perfect sci-fi. No seasoning needed homies just fucking dig in and enjoy. Man I love the Dominion and their faggy looking elves and cool ass lizard soldiers.