Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[YankeeTrader]

Yeah the game was the threat. Was a really god damn dumb conflict.
I was kind of hoping for Ro to stick through for DS9. She actually seems like the perfect character for that series. Looked up if she would be continuing a little earlier though and it's pretty sad that she gets dumped in the second to last episode of Season 7.

Michelle Forbes didn't want to get bogged down by episodic television. Our loss.

 

[XYZpdq]

Major Kira was originally supposed to be Ro.

Spoiler: TNG spoilers for season 7 and Ro in particular

I wonder if that was to have been after she dipped on Starfleet. That would have been a really interesting dynamic with Sisko in theory. Ro gets transferred from the Enterprise would have been kinda meh.

 

[melty]

Yeah the game was the threat. Was a really god damn dumb conflict.
I was kind of hoping for Ro to stick through for DS9. She actually seems like the perfect character for that series. Looked up if she would be continuing a little earlier though and it's pretty sad that she gets dumped in the second to last episode of Season 7.

That episode was really stupid, but I'm ok with it because I love any episode that shows Data being better than literally the entire rest of the crew put together.
Speaking of which I have a couple of anecdotes about brent spiner if anyone is interested.

 

[YankeeTrader]

That episode was really stupid, but I'm ok with it because I love any episode that shows Data being better than literally the entire rest of the crew put together.
Speaking of which I have a couple of anecdotes about brent spiner if anyone is interested.

I've got a real good one, but I'll let you go with yours first.

 

[Asuka]

Trekkie sperging incoming.

My problem with the remakes is that they don't have any originality with the storylines. I mean sure the action is great, the character's banter are fun to listen to, and it does genuinely feel like they are taking great care of the Star Trek mythos by using the alternate timeline theory rather than going the Disney Star Wars direction and claiming shit that fans loved religiously to be either non-canon or "not a remake OR a sequel whoa!!!11" However, the formula seems to go like this: "Enterprise gets a distress call, gets their asses kick, Kirk or Kirk/Crew get stranded somewhere, meet evil villain with evil intentions who has virtually no interesting backstory, few action scenes, few romance scenes, an epic final fight scene, set up the ending for a sequel". The original Star Trek film series were very creative in how they pursued the story, I think only The Wrath of Khan used the formula I described but again Prime Khan was established by the TOS episode "Space Seed" and by the 1980's I bet only a few hardcore Trekkies remembered him; it was a considerable gamble to reintroduce his character. Alternate Khan, although still being a part of the 20th century Eugenics War, was not discovered by the Enterprise and thus the personal rivalry between him and Kirk is lost. Kirk didn't strand him on a planet which was set into another orbit which caused suffering, Khan didn't blame Kirk for the death of his wife, so why should be I be interested in this handsome British gentlemen who was only casted to appeal to Sherlock fans? Into Darkness was just another cash grab to herd in the The Wrath of Khan fans, even Spock mirrors the "KHAAAAAN!" scream originally said by Prime Kirk and uncharacteristically beats the shit out of Khan.

Besides WoK, Star Trek 1 and 3-6 all had pretty interesting concepts. 1 (although you could argue was a 2001: Space Odyssey ripoff) had a probe entity named V'Ger causing chaos in the universe because it was basically an emo teenage girl who wanted to fuck her creator so badly. 3 was about trying to revive Spock and explored spirituality. 4 was about time travel and goddamn whales (4 also really didn't have a villain, a rarity in a sci-fi movie), 5 (although it was a stinker) was about a crazy Vulcan trying to find God, and 6 was an homage to the Cold War. All of these concepts were way more interesting for me than the "kick ass and find the bad guy" scenario that Hollywood likes to shit out nowadays.

 

[XYZpdq]

I really hoped Into Darkness was about Garth of Izar or Gary Mitchell. Or have Sherlock be some other guy, and they open his freezer up first because of some minor shit from the Flare Universe and Sherlock's like "oh shit that's Khan he's evil I'll kill him now because he's bad" and then we later find out Sherlock was even worse.

 

[melty]

I've got a real good one, but I'll let you go with yours first.

Yeah, my stories aren't very good so I'll go first.
My boyfriend and I both love Data a lot. He is in our top 5 favorite characters in Star Trek, near the top of the list depending on what we're watching at the moment.
However we both think when Brent Spiner isn't being Data he seems pretty weird/creepy as an actor, including the episodes where he's Lore or Data's personality changes at all.
I'm sure he's a nice guy, or maybe he isn't I have no idea, that's just the impression we get from him as an actor when he's not acting as Data.
We went to the Star Trek convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago, and most of the Next Gen actors were sitting at a booth for autographs. We were too cheap to actually pay for autographs so we didn't really get to talk to them or anything, but we were hanging out and gawking and Brent Spiner looked directly into my eyes and I actually got kind of freaked out. I'm not really someone who cares much about celebrities, but dude's look was really intense.
Also, some dipshit was snapping photos of him while he was trying to eat a sandwich, which made me feel really bad for him. He was trying to eat the sandwich really fast, I don't know why he didn't just break for lunch like some of the others. But taking photos of people eating? Come on.

My second story is a little better but it didn't happen to me. A friend of mine was at a comic-con (maybe a sci-fi con, idr) where Brent Spiner had a booth for something. She was volunteering for a different booth and I guess there was a lull in activity, so she went over to Brent Spiner's booth to tell him she really loved him in Star Trek.
Apparently he was SUPER nice to her and he took her around to several different booths, introducing her to some of the people he knew and was generally just really nice and friendly and cool.
What's your story?

 

[YankeeTrader]

Yeah, my stories aren't very good so I'll go first.
My boyfriend and I both love Data a lot. He is in our top 5 favorite characters in Star Trek, near the top of the list depending on what we're watching at the moment.
However we both think when Brent Spiner isn't being Data he seems pretty weird/creepy as an actor, including the episodes where he's Lore or Data's personality changes at all.
I'm sure he's a nice guy, or maybe he isn't I have no idea, that's just the impression we get from him as an actor when he's not acting as Data.
We went to the Star Trek convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago, and most of the Next Gen actors were sitting at a booth for autographs. We were too cheap to actually pay for autographs so we didn't really get to talk to them or anything, but we were hanging out and gawking and Brent Spiner looked directly into my eyes and I actually got kind of freaked out. I'm not really someone who cares much about celebrities, but dude's look was really intense.
Also, some dipshit was snapping photos of him while he was trying to eat a sandwich, which made me feel really bad for him. He was trying to eat the sandwich really fast, I don't know why he didn't just break for lunch like some of the others. But taking photos of people eating? Come on.

My second story is a little better but it didn't happen to me. A friend of mine was at a comic-con (maybe a sci-fi con, idr) where Brent Spiner had a booth for something. She was volunteering for a different booth and I guess there was a lull in activity, so she went over to Brent Spiner's booth to tell him she really loved him in Star Trek.
Apparently he was SUPER nice to her and he took her around to several different booths, introducing her to some of the people he knew and was generally just really nice and friendly and cool.
What's your story?

Back in 95 I got tapped to be Spiner's handler at a convention, and was the one that picked him up at the airport(I had the cleanest car). Anyway, he went to school in town for a while years back, and wanted to know if I wouldn't mind driving past the campus. I figured sure, why the fuck not, I've got Data riding shotgun in my shitty car, and I knew we had a couple of hours to kill before he had to be on stage. So we go down the main road past the campus, and then he spots one of his old favorite haunts, which we stop at so he can get a takeout order.

It took every ounce of willpower for me not to just start laughing as we drove to the con, and Brent is chowing down on a burger and fries.

I got to talk to him about working on Trek of course, and Night Court, which I loved at the time. He was a really cool guy, seemed down to earth and really grateful I indulged him.

My friends at the con however were not as grateful, I ate into pretty much all of his free time. In my defense, he did ask.

Man, I miss cons back in the olden days. So much simpler and fun.

I really hoped Into Darkness was about Garth of Izar or Gary Mitchell. Or have Sherlock be some other guy, and they open his freezer up first because of some minor shit from the Flare Universe and Sherlock's like "oh shit that's Khan he's evil I'll kill him now because he's bad" and then we later find out Sherlock was even worse.

Any of that would have been better than Khan

 

[melty]

Back in 95 I got tapped to be Spiner's handler at a convention, and was the one that picked him up at the airport(I had the cleanest car). Anyway, he went to school in town for a while years back, and wanted to know if I wouldn't mind driving past the campus. I figured sure, why the fuck not, I've got Data riding shotgun in my shitty car, and I knew we had a couple of hours to kill before he had to be on stage. So we go down the main road past the campus, and then he spots one of his old favorite haunts, which we stop at so he can get a takeout order.

It took every ounce of willpower for me not to just start laughing as we drove to the con, and Brent is chowing down on a burger and fries.

I got to talk to him about working on Trek of course, and Night Court, which I loved at the time. He was a really cool guy, seemed down to earth and really grateful I indulged him.

My friends at the con however were not as grateful, I ate into pretty much all of his free time. In my defense, he did ask.

Man, I miss cons back in the olden days. So much simpler and fun.

That is fucking awesome! So based on these like, 3 anecdotes I have, I gather he's probably a chill guy who likes eating stuff.
What kind of con was it, star trek or general geek?
Also I was wondering if your username was a reference to that Ferengi Star Trek episode or you picked it for some other reason.

 

[YankeeTrader]

That is fucking awesome! So based on these like, 3 anecdotes I have, I gather he's probably a chill guy who likes eating stuff.
What kind of con was it, star trek or general geek?
Also I was wondering if your username was a reference to that Ferengi Star Trek episode or you picked it for some other reason.

It was a Star Trek con. This was back in the day when a single guest would be advertised.

I picked my username based on a old BBS door game from way back. It's nice that it has a small Trek connection though

 

[Asuka]

Gary Mitchell

When I saw the trailer, I thought the villian WAS Mitchell! I mean Cumberbatch would have made a better Mitchell than Khan. Not only is he the right ethnicity for him, but throughout Into Darkness he was treated more as a pissed off Starfleet Officer than anybody who fought in the Eugenics War. Mitchell's descent into darkness by becoming someone with godlike powers...that could literally BE the meaning of Into Darkness! Of course I think if they were to go the Mitchell route he'd probably have to be introduced in the first Star Trek, since he and Kirk were really close buddies during the Academy years.

 

[AlanRickmanIsDead]

When I saw the trailer, I thought the villian WAS Mitchell! I mean Cumberbatch would have made a better Mitchell than Khan. Not only is he the right ethnicity for him, but throughout Into Darkness he was treated more as a pissed off Starfleet Officer than anybody who fought in the Eugenics War. Mitchell's descent into darkness by becoming someone with godlike powers...that could literally BE the meaning of Into Darkness! Of course I think if they were to go the Mitchell route he'd probably have to be introduced in the first Star Trek, since he and Kirk were really close buddies during the Academy years.

That was probably the original idea.
My guess is that it was going to be either Gary Mitchell or Lord Garth, but focus groups only knew of Khan, so they changed it to him.

 

[XYZpdq]

When I saw the trailer, I thought the villian WAS Mitchell! I mean Cumberbatch would have made a better Mitchell than Khan. Not only is he the right ethnicity for him, but throughout Into Darkness he was treated more as a pissed off Starfleet Officer than anybody who fought in the Eugenics War. Mitchell's descent into darkness by becoming someone with godlike powers...that could literally BE the meaning of Into Darkness! Of course I think if they were to go the Mitchell route he'd probably have to be introduced in the first Star Trek, since he and Kirk were really close buddies during the Academy years.

Also iirc in the TOS episode with Mitchell there was some dialog about Gary and Kirk on some planet with natives or something that meshed well with that opening bit of the movie with Kirk ruining everything on that planet.

 

[Van Darkholme]

Wesley becoming space time god is good just because it finally gets him off the damn show. Also, iirc his mom barely acknowledges it in the episodes after, which is really funny. Unless they are interacting directly I barely recognize they're related.
Which exceptional threat was it in that season? Was it the one where they were all obsessed with some game?

I like ensign ro too, I assume you haven't seen deep space nine but apparently Major Kira was originally supposed to be Ro.
I have mixed feelings about Roddenberry, at this point I don't want to learn any more about him for the same reason you don't want to meet your heros.

IMO, Roddenberry dying did TNG good. Really good infact. I know this sounds really shitty but that's how I see it.
Wesley was fucking insufferable, the whole boywonder schtick (including saving the ship multiple times) got tired 2 episodes into season 1. Apparently this was Roddenberry's idea.

It got a bit better once they put his ass at the helm.

 

[Holdek]

The wiki article also really fucking sucks off Roddenberry while the documentary didn't seem to hold back anything when talking about him.

Roddenberry publicly stripped Shatner's Star Trek V of its cannon status so consider the messenger. Although I agree that his antiseptic vision of the evolution of human nature was in conflict with TNG which, while still episodic, was more driven by character development than TOS.

Looked up if she would be continuing a little earlier though and it's pretty sad that she gets dumped in the second to last episode of Season 7.

She doesn't quite get "dumped..." the way she leaves and the effect it has on Picard makes for a uniquely dark episode IMO.

Spoiler

In the final scenes you can tell he's not merely personally profoundly disappointed, yet forgiving, like he was in Wesley fucked up at Starfleet...but downright furious at Ro's betrayal.

The original Star Trek film series were very creative in how they pursued the story, I think only The Wrath of Khan used the formula I described but again Prime Khan was established by the TOS episode "Space Seed" and by the 1980's I bet only a few hardcore Trekkies remembered him; it was a considerable gamble to reintroduce his character. Alternate Khan, although still being a part of the 20th century Eugenics War, was not discovered by the Enterprise and thus the personal rivalry between him and Kirk is lost. Kirk didn't strand him on a planet which was set into another orbit which caused suffering, Khan didn't blame Kirk for the death of his wife, so why should be I be interested in this handsome British gentlemen who was only casted to appeal to Sherlock fans? Into Darkness was just another cash grab to herd in the The Wrath of Khan fans, even Spock mirrors the "KHAAAAAN!" scream originally said by Prime Kirk and uncharacteristically beats the shit out of Khan.

Plus the whole

Spoiler

"Khan's blood is a miracle cure and can cure everything"

ending was just insulting.

Anyway, he went to school in town for a while years back, and wanted to know if I wouldn't mind driving past the campus. I figured sure, why the fuck not, I've got Data riding shotgun in my shitty car, and I knew we had a couple of hours to kill before he had to be on stage. So we go down the main road past the campus, and then he spots one of his old favorite haunts, which we stop at so he can get a takeout order.

Was this in Houston?

 

[YankeeTrader]

Roddenberry publicly stripped Shatner's Star Trek V of its cannon status so consider the messenger. Although I agree that his antiseptic vision of the evolution of human nature was in conflict with TNG which, while still episodic, was more dr character development than TOS.



She doesn't quite get "dumped..." the way she leaves and the effect it has on Picard makes for a uniquely dark episode IMO.

Spoiler

In the final scenes you can tell he's not personally profoundly disappointed, yet forgiving, like he was in Wesley fucked up at Starfleet...but downright furious at Ro's betrayal.

Plus the whole

Spoiler

"Khan's blood is a miracle cure and can cure everything"

ending was just insulting.


Was this in Houston?

Go west young farmer.... SA.

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

Jesus Christ, Chain of Command was so fucking good.
Jellico was a really good temporary captain, can't hate him even when the crew did.
Man those torture scenes though with Picard and Gul Madred, holy fucking shit. I did not expect anything that dark from TNG. And man, Patrick Stewart really can act. Like hot fucking damn, the worst of the physical torture was done by some object the audience can't even see. I expected it to look kind of goofy, but Stewart sold that shit 200%.
I didn't think any TNG episode surpassed my favorite TOS episodes in quality, but that's probably my all time favorite now. I definitely like Picard as much as Kirk now honestly. He doesn't have the charm of Kirk, but he has some really great dialogue from time to time and he feels a little more down-to-earth than Kirk.

I also somehow missed The Inner Light while finishing up Season 5. Man that was a feels fest. Later season Picard episodes are really great. Finally came to stand next to Riker and Data which makes me really happy.

Roddenberry publicly stripped Shatner's Star Trek V of its cannon status so consider the messenger. Although I agree that his antiseptic vision of the evolution of human nature was in conflict with TNG which, while still episodic, was more dr character development than TOS.

I haven't seen the original movies yet and I didn't know that about Roddenberry. That's kind of interesting though, I know Shatner has a bit of an ego. I'm not sure if making a movie non-canon is enough to really upset someone enough to shit on a dead guy though. I'd like to imagine that Shatner isn't that much of huge cock. Also I don't think Shatner could have influenced the interviewees enough to say what they did about Rodenberry.

She doesn't quite get "dumped..." the way she leaves and the effect it has on Picard makes for a uniquely dark episode IMO.

Spoiler

In the final scenes you can tell he's not personally profoundly disappointed, yet forgiving, like he was in Wesley fucked up at Starfleet...but downright furious at Ro's betrayal.

Sounds cool, but Ro seemed pretty happy aboard the Enterprise. Guess I was just hoping for more development in DS9 instead of her betraying everyone. I said it before, but she seems like she would fit DS9 well.

 

[AnOminous]

IMO, Roddenberry dying did TNG good. Really good infact. I know this sounds really shitty but that's how I see it.
Wesley was fucking insufferable, the whole boywonder schtick (including saving the ship multiple times) got tired 2 episodes into season 1. Apparently this was Roddenberry's idea.

It got a bit better once they put his ass at the helm.

It's no coincidence that Eugene WESLEY Roddenberry invented this hideously shitty character and defended him against all who wanted to excise this cancer from the show.

 

[YankeeTrader]

It's no coincidence that Eugene WESLEY Roddenberry invented this hideously shitty character and defended him against all who wanted to excise this cancer from the show.

Using a cow analogy, Gene was the Margo to Star Trek's Venus. A controlling parent who doesn't know when to let go.

 

[Asuka]

I wish Kirk went up against Q, I think he would have fared better against him than Picard. Both of them have incredibly egotistical attitudes.