Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[White Devil]

I'll be fair that iirc Shat had had stretches where he was legit fucking broke, so I can understand if he runs his hustle a little harder than a lot of people.

I watched the documentary on Amazon about him going into space, and there was a section where he said after Star Trek got cancelled, he was legit living out of a truck.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

But Klingons aren't brown

Federation people comply with the police, put down their weapons, and speak politely.

Klingons be all "ITS A GOOD DAY TO DIE! Ghay'cha' baQa' the police!" and like Kangs earn their place in Sto-vo-kor alongside Kahless, T'Kuvma, and G'Floyd (counterfeit money isn't dishonorable... it is... guile).

The REAL niggas tho be the KAZON. The writers and producers of Voyager actually said the Kazon were written to be the Crips and Bloods in space... lol

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Holy shit, that's pure, undistilled space cancer.

In 2020, representation and inclusion have just as much, if not more, importance than diversity. Claiming to be an an ally to marginalized people without acknowledging your own privilege feels hollow. Picard’s ensemble of writers and actors lean into all of this — even Number One the dog represents a marginalized community — serving up a multi-layered narrative that explores how power and privilege play out in relationships with people who are different.

I have no idea what the fuck any of this pretentious word-wank is supposed to mean, but note what it doesn't say: "fun", "entertaining", or "space adventures".

Edited so I don't doublepost like a faggot:

whenever i see anything commercials like this i cant help but think of bill hicks talking about leno and his doritos commercials.. dont these greedy assholes have enough money or shame that they wont whore themselves out for commercials?

Bill Shatner is a professional actor, i.e. people pay him money to put makeup and a toupee on and read lines. Why shouldn't he cash in on his celebrity? That's literally his job.

Also there's nothing wrong with greed, filthy hu-mon.

 

[Captain Syrup]

As for Kurtzman himself, looking at a few Reddit threads, I get the impression he has gotten where he is due to nepotism and playing ball with the studio. He’s a corporate creature like Abrams.

We've gone from one talentless suit (Berman) to another.

Ol' Uncle Harlan was a galaxy class asshole but they really don't make writers like him anymore.

The profession started to be less of a loony bin for clever shitheads and went through a makeover in the "prestige TV" era; something you can only reach by being an apple-polishing striver. The character of the writer's room changes, becoming more white-collar and humorless.

That's not the sort of preparation that makes for a top-notch writer.

The REAL niggas tho be the KAZON. The writers and producers of Voyager actually said the Kazon were written to be the Crips and Bloods in space... lol

Seska's charisma coupled with the need for troubled and runaway 'teens' to have a place. We're at Spahn Ranch now!

Piller said he regretted not "keeping them young." Eisenberg is good as the proud young Kazon. The rest skewed older, which was probably deliberate. The network wanted Delta Quadrant Klingons.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

I remember reading that article. So incredibly stupid. Klingons are only “marginalized” if you see them as code for brown people. Just utter dogshit.

The funniest part about this Klingons = Oppressed Minority stuff is that, Soviet analog in TOS aside, the Klingons are a more auth-right civilization in contrast to the left wing Federation.

 

[Ishtar]

She’s interpreting Star Trek through an explicit SJW oppression lens. Not as the narrative actually is, but how it might be read as an SJW allegory.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

She’s interpreting Star Trek through an explicit SJW oppression lens. Not as the narrative actually is, but how it might be read as an SJW allegory.

These people do this all the damn time. The Tolkien Society has recently become notorious for this shit. "The Lord of the Rings as a trans allegory."

 

[Ishtar]

These people do this all the damn time. The Tolkien Society has recently become notorious for this shit. "The Lord of the Rings as a trans allegory."

….

What?

 

[Raoul_Duke]

….

What?

Content worthy of a fatwa, a crucifixion, beheading, crusade, and lots of violence.

Islamic Content, in another word.

 

[XYZpdq]

Harlan is such a protocow that he tried to sue usenet.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Harlan is such a protocow that he tried to sue usenet.

Would Harlan, if he was born later on, become a colossal lolcow on this site?

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Would Harlan, if he was born later on, become a colossal lolcow on this site?

I doubt it. He was mostly just a crotchety old man (albeit one whose crotchety old man phase started when he was like 20). A genuinely talented writer having an endless string of grumpy boomer moments is a thread that would get boring quickly.

 

[Oats12345]

I watched the documentary on Amazon about him going into space, and there was a section where he said after Star Trek got cancelled, he was legit living out of a truck.

Wait seriously. Had no idea he had hit rock bottom after Star Trek.

These people do this all the damn time. The Tolkien Society has recently become notorious for this shit. "The Lord of the Rings as a trans allegory."

Do they not realized that reannies would a thing during Tolkien's time and if we're he didn't probably give a shit about them.

 

[Mulva69]

I doubt it. He was mostly just a crotchety old man (albeit one whose crotchety old man phase started when he was like 20). A genuinely talented writer having an endless string of grumpy boomer moments is a thread that would get boring quickly.

I dunno man, Graham Linehan has an active thread here...

 

[Captain Syrup]

I dunno man, Graham Linehan has an active thread here...

Harlan was a hothead, that much is true.

Graham makes him look like Keanu Reeves.

 

[AnOminous]

Harlan is such a protocow that he tried to sue usenet.

Actually he sued someone on Usenet, and won a settlement in that case, and sued AOL, and won that case at the Ninth Circuit, rapidly followed by an undisclosed settlement by AOL. Lolcows don't win. Harlan won a lot of his copyright suits. He was both on the giving and receiving ends of numerous lolsuits though.

 

[L50LasPak]

Its funny, in the Star Wars thread they talk about how good Star Trek fans have it and how it hasn't been ruined like Star Wars. As a fan of both, I couldn't disagree more. Peak ignorance.

Personally I still see the fate of Star Wars as worse because regular people are substantially more aware of it and everything that's happened with it, even if they don't remotely care about Star Wars. I know people who have seen none of the nine Star Wars movies and who can still tell me exactly what happened in the sequel trilogy. No, they don't watch RLM or Disneyshill MauLer either. The word of mouth is just that widespread; there is no escape.

Meanwhile with Star Trek, I've talked to Trek fans who legit had no idea ST: Picard even existed and couldn't remember off the top of their heads what the name of Discovery was. These are of course the same people who have only seen TNG and maybe a bit of TOS and still haven't gotten around to watching DS9 or Voyager, but the point is I can still find people to talk to who don't have a sense of complete doom hanging over their heads about the whole franchise because they haven't even gotten through all the old stuff yet.

Also, and this makes a big difference for me personally, but Star Trek's EU has never had the same insane devotion as the Star Wars EU. If a hack author writes a terrible Trek book, I don't care. Because I'm never going to read it, and never was going to read it anyway. The only EU things I consider remotely canon in Trek are the two Interplay games. Meanwhile The Star Wars universe have been something I could never get into beyond the first three movies because every shitty fanfic that gets published has to be taken as exact gospel, even when they hilariously contradict each other. Even before the prequels that franchise was getting sodomized. Star Trek is getting raped in an alleyway yeah, but Star Wars was born into sex slavery in an East Asian human trafficking ring.

So I was looking into the production of Star Trek Enterprise's Opening Sequence and discovered the company who made it. It turns out Faith of the Heart by Russell Watson wasn't the original choice:
http://gm3.co/sources/work/work_pages/MC_Enterprise.html

Enterprise Intro (U2 Version).m4v

Faith of the Heart, all is forgiven.

whenever i see anything commercials like this i cant help but think of bill hicks talking about leno and his doritos commercials.. dont these greedy assholes have enough money or shame that they wont whore themselves out for commercials?

Let me show you the dance of my people:

 

[Steinercard]

finished DS9 for the first time. thought id share my thoughts on it if anybody even cares.

Spoiler: who even cares?

overall pretty good show. some not so good moments, but overall i liked it.

how i feel about some of the characters:

• quark and garak are both legendary characters, some of my favorites in any series.
• sisko: i was skeptical but by the end i wound up liking him as captain.
• o'brien: what's not to like?
• odo : ultimately i did like him, have mixed feelings on his ending though.
• worf: even though im not the biggest kligon fan, i do like him in this.
• jadzia : honestly didnt like this character. was glad when they killed her off.
• nog: started out rough but eventually improved a lot.
• rom: i prefer him as an engineer, but it was clunky how he went from drooling retard to literally genius engineer in the span of a single episode with no explanation.
• kira: decent character. not much to dislike but nothing really stands out either.
• bashir: pompous twat. gets even worse once his genetic engineering is revealed.
• erzi: not bad. much better than jadzia.
• moogie: one of the worse character in any series. whomever wrote this character should feel ashamed.
• zek : not bad but can be a bit much at times.
• morn: who doesnt love morn? i honestly felt pretty sad when they had his funeral.
• weyoun : pretty good villain character. i thought the vorta were interesting.
• winn: also pretty good, but i would have liked a bigger and better redemption to the end of her story.
• dukat: another good villain. i like he truly did want to bury the hatchet with kira and did regret the occupation.

general thoughts:

• the dominion war stuff is really good but i feel that they didnt dedicate enough episodes to it. like in season 6 and 7 it is a war killing millions and the federation is struggling yet it seems most episodes dont even mention it.
• the conclusion to the war was a bit unsatisfying and felt a bit rushed. they could have spent a few more episodes on the last few battles of the war or something.
• they mention curzon dax way way too much. especially in the first few seasons it seems they mention him at least 2-3 times per episode. i got very sick of hearing about him tbh.
• they set up a few things only to never do anything with them. some examples:
  • they sent the defiant on a daring mission to blow up the dominions main supply of white in the alpha quadrant saying without this supply the jem'hadar would eventually turn on each other. but they never mention this event ever again. could have been interesting to see something come of it.
  • they also set up a rivalry between the alpha and gamma jem'hadar but never explored this. could have been interesting to see this explored as some schism in the dominion in the alpha quadrant.
• I liked when odo became solid. I thought it was an interesting concept to explore. he could have really grown as a character as he struggled to adapt to being a solid, learned to appreciate the solids around him, and dealt with his longing to go back to being a changeling. but this only lasted liked two episodes before the retconned it, and it was such a stupid and unsatisfying way they did it too.
• it was very unsatisfying how they dealt with all the dominion ships traveling through the wormhole. they pulled a literal deus ex machina and just had the prophets zap them to the extreme simply because sisko is black space jesus.
• way too many mirror universe episodes. not that they are bad, but the mirror universe is best when it is a one off thing. too much use ruins the concept.
• too many klingon centric episodes. i guess im the weird trek fan who doesnt find gay kligon ceremonies compelling, their language sounds stupid when spoken, and i just dont care about klingon honor.
• not enough romulans. i like romulans way more than kligons and think there should have been more of a feature in the show.
• even though it was kind of a stupid episode, i really cant dislike the baseball episode.

there is more, but this is all i feel like typing at the moment.

tl:dr who even cares?

DS9 is very good but it's no Babylon 5.

 

[Captain Syrup]

DS9 is very good but it's no Babylon 5.

B5 would be the definitive version, if not for all the cast changes.

Spoiler: Tracy should stick with fanservice, because that's where she looks more comfortable.

 

[Steinercard]

Personally I still see the fate of Star Wars as worse because regular people are substantially more aware of it and everything that's happened with it, even if they don't remotely care about Star Wars. I know people who have seen none of the nine Star Wars movies and who can still tell me exactly what happened in the sequel trilogy. No, they don't watch RLM or Disneyshill MauLer either. The word of mouth is just that widespread; there is no escape.

Meanwhile with Star Trek, I've talked to Trek fans who legit had no idea ST: Picard even existed and couldn't remember off the top of their heads what the name of Discovery was. These are of course the same people who have only seen TNG and maybe a bit of TOS and still haven't gotten around to watching DS9 or Voyager, but the point is I can still find people to talk to who don't have a sense of complete doom hanging over their heads about the whole franchise because they haven't even gotten through all the old stuff yet.

Also, and this makes a big difference for me personally, but Star Trek's EU has never had the same insane devotion as the Star Wars EU. If a hack author writes a terrible Trek book, I don't care. Because I'm never going to read it, and never was going to read it anyway. The only EU things I consider remotely canon in Trek are the two Interplay games. Meanwhile The Star Wars universe have been something I could never get into beyond the first three movies because every shitty fanfic that gets published has to be taken as exact gospel, even when they hilariously contradict each other. Even before the prequels that franchise was getting sodomized. Star Trek is getting raped in an alleyway yeah, but Star Wars was born into sex slavery in an East Asian human trafficking ring.


Faith of the Heart, all is forgiven.


Let me show you the dance of my people:

Bill Hicks - Corporate Shills.mp4

Official Star Wars products referenced the EU all the time up until it was declared non canon. The thing with Star Trek is it's EU has gone through at least 3 different reboots. So most people just figure nothing is canon unless expressly said. First of all you had what later became known as the Star Fleet Battles universe. At one point it's lore was a logical extension of the Star Trek universe as presented in TOS. There was no reason to question that. Then a confluence of rights issues and buy outs lead to Star Fleet Battles existing as it's own thing and Star Trek media started to contradict it.

This lead to the FASA content made for their Star Trek pen and paper RPG. Which included VERY different portrayals of both the Romulans and Klingons. Again, this was a logical extension of the Star Trek universe as presented in TOS, and the four Star Trek movies released at that time. Showing a more militarized Star Fleet and tense cold wars with differing races. Only these products were more concrete due to multiple official novels referencing this continuity and building on many of the things FASA established. Examples include The Final Reflection by John M. Ford. Again, no one said it wasn't official. It was all things with Star Trek on the cover. So why wouldn't it be canon? Then FASA made some TNG content that was immediately contradicted and they went their own way with Klingons and Romulans. Only a year into TNG's life, FASA had the Star Trek license snatched away with the excuse being that FASA made Starfleet "too war-like.".

Most recently the "Relaunch" books of all the different Star Trek series were officially made null and void with an embarrassing "epilogue". series of books. And that's before we get into Star Trek Online. Which is in the process of awkward as fuck retcons due to being forced to integrate Discovery and Picard. Which kills off and completely changes established characters that were used in STO which is supposed to be set at a later time than Picard. Best example is Seven of Nine who was pretty much the same character she was in Voyager in the Delta Rising expansion pack where she is featured heavily alongside most of the Voyager cast. But then they did some dreadful Discovery tie in missions where Seven is suddenly the completely different character called Seven of Nine from Star Trek Picard. And this inconsistency is never addressed in game. We're supposed to just accept that Seven of Nine went full "kween slay super cool badass" in Picard. Reverted to her old faithful self and then went back to Pew Pew Mary Sue mode for a couple missions.

With Star Wars, until the Disney buy out there was pretty much one continuity that was roughly cohesive. With Star Trek you've had several big reboots.