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You can tell things are bad alone for the fact that seemingly nobody goes to jail for what they're doing to Patrick Stewart.
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We don't have enough information about how civilian life functions in the Federation to apply a modern label to its economic systems. (What information we do have is often contradictory, too.) At the very least it’s a society which has transcended capitalism. Starfleet officers don't get paid. The stock market and private ownership of industry haven’t existed for centuries, and no one does work they don’t want to do. There’s no economic class system at all.
Roddenberry's wife said he was up to his elbows in Maoist literature. Roddenberry hired a socialist activist to pen the first Trek novel. Gene Coon, responsible for world-building the Federation in TOS, was also fairly left-leaning (though not a radical). "The Cloud Minders" is all about class war and classist prejudice. Kirk literally stages a worker's revolution.
So Trek has always had a left-wing pedigree. Conservative fans exist, since Star Trek is not a religion and asks nothing of its fans. Fans don't have to share the beliefs of the creator to enjoy the product.
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Shaka, when the walls fell . . .
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This video got me thinking...
Everyone knows Picard is super woke. What if there was a "Janeway" show, that was offensively based and redpilled. With what Picard got turned into, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to turn Janeway into some cartoonish Space Nazi. There were episodes of Voyager where she already was...
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COFFEE VULT!
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Imagine how fucking awesome Picard would have been, if instead of "Oh", the one trying to genocide synths for being a threat was Janeway. Same dumb plot, but that one change would make me love it.
Make Janeway also responsible for the Federation "not helping the Romulans".
What happened to B'lana in Current Stardate? Janeway used what she learned from the Tuvix situation, but to turn B'lana into two people. "Fixed the racemixing. You're welcome."
Seven is a murderous psychopath because she continued to be mentored by Janeway. Finally, Seven's character in Picard would make sense.
Make Janeway also responsible for the Federation "not helping the Romulans".
What happened to B'lana in Current Stardate? Janeway used what she learned from the Tuvix situation, but to turn B'lana into two people. "Fixed the racemixing. You're welcome."
Seven is a murderous psychopath because she continued to be mentored by Janeway. Finally, Seven's character in Picard would make sense.
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lol coon
Pretty sure Sisko would be the insane space Nazi. Never go full-Sisko.
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iirc Gene Coon was on-board in TOS days
either him or the other guy who wasn't Gene Rod seemed to have the role of dialing back The Great Albatross Of The Galaxy, I recall some internal memo that was flipped at auction after scans and one of The Guys Who Weren't Gene Rod was ccing the other one and Gene on "this shit is shit what the fuck rod" more or less
yeah Sisko would wreck shit hard
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You fools, Archer is the one that would go full space Genghis Khan. He practically fucking did.
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Kirk was the original. Picard was the prime example of what an officer aspires to be; the Michael Jordan of Starfleet. Sisko worked tirelessly to preserve the Federation, even if that meant (occasionally) betraying its principles. However, it's unclear whether Picard or Sisko would have been a good fit for Voyager, either.
My magnificent crew! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? What material! With them I can make the Delta Quadrant conform to Starfleet rules of conduct! - Mein Kaffee
SFDebris has a great bit in "In the Flesh." Voyager finds a disturbingly accurate re-creation of Starfleet HQ, complete with Archer's granddaughter Valerie: still hard at work exposing Vulcan conspiracies.
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basically you pick your ending that way, like Shin Megami Tensei
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She would probably have fun with it too.
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i recently just started bing watching DS9 for the first time and what a coincidence i see a thread of kiwis talking about it, and one of them is named mike stoklasa 
yeah from what ive seen so far sisko seem the mostly likely of all the captains go full space nazi.
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Patrick Stewart agreed to this travesty. He isn’t an innocent bystander.
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Pretty sure he helped write a lot of it too. Or at least, he was in the writer’s room
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He even refused to do the show until they conceeded to HIS demands to take it further in the direction they went than they even were originally willing to go.
He refused to do it until they conceeded to his demand that there be allegories for Brexit and Trump and other stuff like that. And he also said he can never be in a Starfleet uniform or anything else "traditionally Star Trek".
Which is funny cause if anything the show makes a case FOR anti-immigration and bigotry. The Romulans are behind all the evil stuff, and seem to still be consistently all bad. The synths were an inch away from wiping out all organic life before barely changing their minds.
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A lot of people can't comprehend and handle the idea that someone can be a good actor and play a character they respect and look up to... but the actor is NOT that character. All the time people are like "OMG BETRAYAL! ACTOR WHO PLAYS CHARACTER I LIKE HAS OPINION I DON'T LIKE! HOW CAN THIS BE?" The idea that he ever had any sort of moral authority because he read lines on TNG is retarded.
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Not great in a moral sense, but you can't deny the guy is very competent. The way he played the Romulans over a thumbdrive was outstanding.
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In the full spirit of being that guy, I am pretty sure @Elim Garak did all the heavy lifting on that one, so he gets the credit.
Speaking of...
Deep Space Nine, season 3, episodes 20 and 21, Improbable Cause and The Die is Cast.
Garak episodes are the best. We start off with some foreplay between our stalwart tailor (not a cobbler) and Dr. Bashir, then an explosion! Yay!! You got the Inspector Odo shit going on. Then there's Garak's classic interpretation of The Boy Who Cried Wolf (never tell the same lie twice). The purfume thing was neat. We travel to other planets and investigate the mystery and the fucking Romulans show up (to correct their records) and then we wrap it all up with the absolute unit himself Enabran Tain. Jump to part two and we have some fun Obsidian Order exposition and and prepare for a big battle against the Founders. Then we get some good screen time with Eddington (this two-parter has everything!!) and the Starfleet gang are all worried and annoyed. I really like this one. It brings everything and everyone into the fold and does cool stuff and advances the larger plot. Odo and Garak earn respect for one another and the Dominion are finally really displayed as a serious and very threatening force.
Zero out of ten.
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