Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Sweet and Savoury said:
Star Trek is always character driven and Voyger forgot that.

Kirk+Spok+McCoy= win. Doing anything anytime. They could just be sitting down taking a shit but the dialogue between them would be awesome.

TNG almost any of the actors can be paired up for awesome scenes.

DS9 is a bit more problematic as they only have a few good character. Quark, Garrick and Dukat are the only ones that come to mind.

Voyager? Can't think of one single character that I could give a shit about

Enterprise was a different beast, it was a story driven more and more as it went on. Moving almost into action movie territory near the end.

TLDR

Star Trek writers forgot the most important rule as time went on so the franchise floundered and died.
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The characters in TOS and TNG were unique. Picard couldn't be any different than Kirk. Data and Spock were coming at the "human question" from completely different ends. But Voyager's Janeway was just a poor man's Picard, and Enterprise's Archer a poor man's Kirk. I have a hard time distinguishing Paris from Tripp and Voyager's chef from Enterprise's doctor. And neither Voyager nor Enterprise created memorable Vulcans...a difficult assignment given the constraint of emotion but Nimoy was able to do it.

I haven't seen much of DS9, but Voyager is almost unwatchable to me.
 
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Holdek said:
I haven't seen much of DS9, but Voyager is almost unwatchable to me.
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For DS9 I would recommend any of the Ferengi based episodes. The ones featuring the Grand Nagus are particularly good IMHO partly because of the quality of actors involved. (Wallace Shawn if you don't recognize tho voice behind all that plastic.)

I think a lot of the problems with DS9 arose because the guest actors were just so much stronger then the cast. They brought in too many heavy pinch hitters to carry the story that any episode that featured just the cast was boring by comparison.
 
Sweet and Savoury said:
For DS9 I would recommend any of the Ferengi based episodes. The ones featuring the Grand Nagus are particularly good IMHO partly because of the quality of actors involved. (Wallace Shawn if you don't recognize tho voice behind all that plastic.)
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Yeah, I was actually considering watching DS9 straight through, whereas the other Trek series they are more episodic than arc-based. (Ha, actually we may have talked about that in this thread before, I'm really behind on my TV backlog.)

A couple of people in chat said that DS9 doesn't really get to the main crux of the series' story until season four, and that the first few episodes of the series are really bad, though. I've been thinking about just starting with season two or three to get the buildup.

(@CompyRex what would be your opinion on that?)
 
Holdek said:
A couple of people in chat said that DS9 doesn't really get to the main crux of the series' story until season four, and that the first few episodes of the series are really bad, though. I've been thinking about just starting with season two or three to get the buildup.
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The main story arc of DS9 really begins with the finale of Season 2 and kicks into high gear in Season 4. There are some good character stories in the first couple seasons that are worth watching, but a lot of it was them trying to do more episodic stories like TNG that didn't work out as well.
 
Holdek said:
Yeah, I was actually considering watching DS9 straight through, whereas the other Trek series they are more episodic than arc-based. (Ha, actually we may have talked about that in this thread before, I'm really behind on my TV backlog.)

A couple of people in chat said that DS9 doesn't really get to the main crux of the series' story until season four, and that the first few episodes of the series are really bad, though. I've been thinking about just starting with season two or three to get the buildup.

(@CompyRex what would be your opinion on that?)
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Some of the early Season 1 and 2 episodes aren't that great, but I don't recommend skipping them or anything (despite how hard it is to watch, say, Move Along Home).
 
CompyRex said:
Some of the early Season 1 and 2 episodes aren't that great, but I don't recommend skipping them or anything (despite how hard it is to watch, say, Move Along Home).
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Are you into S&M Compy? cause Move Along Home is worse then getting your chest hair waxed.

I'd honestly recommend going right into season 3
 
Just watch it all, even Move Along Home.
Move Along home is what happens when TOS season 3 aliens show up.

DS9 has a trick it pulls where it sometimes introduces really important shit on the side as part of a b-plot, and unless you explain "oh watch this one even though it looks dumb because that ash tray they get is really the 4th infinity stone" at a part where you don't even know that there's infinity stones in the story.

On later rewatches I like the early eps to see the DS9 gang doing Trek stuff. As the show progresses it's a cool SF TV Drama but it's not so great at exploring worlds, seeking new life and all that good shit.
 
Wow. Definitely have mixed feelings about this, but overall I'm a little excited.
 
They made a worst version of TNG(voyager), and worst version of TOS(enterprise). Now, they're due for a worst version of DS9.

For some reason, this news still excites me.
 
NeverHappened said:
Now, they're due for a worst version of DS9.
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I am OK with this.

That ship design, though. I appreciate seeing something new, but I don't like it.
I really hope Jeffrey Combs is in this new series somewhere.

Anyway, I saw the new movie today and I loved it! hands down my favorite of the reboots. It actually felt like Star Trek, and not an action movie that happened to have Star Trek characters in it. It was also really funny with actually NEW jokes and not just references to TOS memes like in the last movie. And there was a moral! I don't think the last two movies had that, if they did I missed it.
TBF if the previous movies hadn't set my expectations so low I'd probably like it less. Overall it was kind of like a really long episode of Star Trek, which I'm ok with. Also fewer lens flares
 
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