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Titan Lithos said:
Yeah, but she really started turning into H R Pufnstuf during the third season, when future Starfleet upgraded Discovery with all the "latest" tech.
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I hope they widened the turbolift and reinforced her chair.

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Tasty Tatty said:
The real mystery of Tilly's obesity is that there is no reason for her to be this fat because any reason for it has been getting rid of during her time.
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Same with Adira the "non-binary" human with a dead effeminate Trill boyfriend as a "head mate". No one on the ship seems to be distrubed by her behiavior, instead they keep validating her. She should have been treated by a doctor for her schizophrenia.
Tilly shouldn't be morbidly obese, I doubt that the food replicators offer actual big macs and pizzas and not a healthy subsitute that still looks like a big mac or a pizza.
 
Just rewatched True Q.

Its a good episode but it could be better. My favorite part about it has always been that Amanda in the end doesn't reject her power, she can't. Not because she's bad but because she's good. A common trope in fiction is good people will reject power they're offered, or choose the humility of human existence over unearned or immoral inhuman existence. Amanda can't resist using the power of the Q to help people. Something Q pointedly don't do.

(Also, I find the motif of someone coming to the realization "wait I'm not human, I actually belong in some alien/non human society" interesting as a character trope/arc).

My problems with it are it doesn't address why she can't just have her powers removed-a simple line of dialogue saying the continuum won't allow it, or if she is truly Q they won't let her be human would have solved that problem(or saying that Q as a matter of policy don't do that, except as a matter of punishment, and Amanda is not being punished).

Also getting rid of the crushing on Riker thing would have helped, and more time could have spent dealing with the interesting material.

The interesting material being a young human woman learning "wait I'm not human, I'm actually pretty much a god or a really advanced alien, how do I deal with that, if that means leaving behind everything I thought I knew".

Also the interesting fact the continuum punished its members with execution(a fact obliquely referenced in Death Wish).

Unfortunately these ideas aren't really explored to their full potential(even by TNG's limitations) and we get something interesting but rather unsatisfying.
 
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Shamash said:
My problems with it are it doesn't address why she can't just have her powers removed-a simple line of dialogue saying the continuum won't allow it, or if she is truly Q they won't let her be human would have solved that problem(or saying that Q as a matter of policy don't do that, except as a matter of punishment, and Amanda is not being punished).
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I guess it's because another Q can give her her powers back and they would be facing a(nother) civil war or the equivalent of some Q genocide? Lancie-Q is a wild Q, but the Continuum are less chaotic and they seem to follow the rules more. They're also a very old race and that's why Junior's birth was celebrated. I suppose they wanted Amanda to be "new blood" too. It made sense they want to keep their eyes on her and rather guide her to use her powers.
 
Michael Wade said:
Dukat on some level to me felt like a guy who honestly was trying to be moral and just, but the problem was he was trying to be a good person by "Cardassian" standards. He did try to change in a lot of ways, but his need for validation and his pride held him back.
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He wasn't particularly good by Cardassian standards: he was an adulterer, let his personal desires get in the way of his judgement and sold out the State (twice!) for the sake of his own personal advancement. If "The Never Ending Sacrifice" is indicative, the highest Cardassian value is selfless devotion to the state, no matter how much of a treacherous bastard you are in your personal interactions. But Dukat could never do selflessness in any context.
 
Shamash said:
Just rewatched True Q. Its a good episode but it could be better. Also getting rid of the crushing on Riker thing would have helped
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I'm happy Olivia is still going and getting work, because she is good and very likeable. What sucks is that of all of her film roles halted her trajectory, And her TV career is mediocre at best. (For the most part, she did guest spots on racy shows.)
  • Bolero: how is it even legal to do a nude scene at age 14?
  • Conan: Razzie Award for Worst New Actress
  • Wayne's World 2: supposedly written at the last minute in an office with food slid under the door
  • TNG Season 6: more of an ordeal than I remember
Now she does a lot of DC voice acting.
 
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I'm happy Olivia D'abo is still going and getting roles, because she is good and very likeable. What sucks is that of all of her film roles halted her trajectory, And her TV career is mediocre at best. (For the most part, she did guest spots on racy shows.)

Bolero: how is it even legal to do a nude scene at age 14?
Conan: Razzie Award for Worst New Actress
Wayne's World 2: supposedly written at the last minute in an office with food slid under the door
TNG Season 6: more of an ordeal than I remember

Now she does a lot of DC voice acting.
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And someone said Trek had below average women...
 
JamesFargo said:
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I'm happy Olivia D'abo is still going and getting roles, because she is good and very likeable. What sucks is that of all of her film roles halted her trajectory, And her TV career is mediocre at best. (For the most part, she did guest spots on racy shows.)

Bolero: how is it even legal to do a nude scene at age 14?
Conan: Razzie Award for Worst New Actress
Wayne's World 2: supposedly written at the last minute in an office with food slid under the door
TNG Season 6: more of an ordeal than I remember

Now she does a lot of DC voice acting.
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She was the Moriarty character on Law & Order: Criminal Intent for a few seasons, plus she was on Doomcock's stream recently, which is like winning an Oscar. I'll always remember her as the cute soccer playing teacher from The Big Green, though.
 
Michael Wade said:
I forgot to reply to this, but I actually remember a brief little moment in a AU novel where they were together
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Infinity's_Prism

Its in the story Seeds of Dissent, where Khan ends up winning word war 3 and his gene altered people end up ruling the galaxy. Bashir is a prince in command of a ship that hunts down Kira and Dukat at the start, before finding a botany bay crewed by regular humans who escaped earth with evidence of Khan's hidden atrocity's.

I remember it being a pretty good read. Along with a story where the earth never joined the federation. I dont remember a dam thing about the voyager story. Never read the other two novels, but they have some pretty interesting ideas.
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The Voyager story was basically them getting blown to shit and being unable to continue their journey back home, so they had to land on an already inhabited planet and more or less started to found a new federation there.

btw om the topic of DS9 women

Nana Visitor: okay
Terrell Farell: really fine
Chase Masterson: pretty hot
Nicole de Boer: top waifu

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If I was allowed to make my own Trek show I would completely disregard all the shit post-Enterprise, then set a show about 20 years after the Dominion War.

I'd show that the Federation has changed a little. Not too much, but the change is there. Still optimistic, still altruistic, but they've been hit hard by reality. They looked at the end toll of the Dominion War, almost a billion dead, and realized that perhaps we'd gotten soft. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it's a necessary one. Humanity has forgotten that and were completely unprepared for the war.

As such, a new division of Starfleet is established, Starfleet Tactical. The outright military arm of the UFP. Established with the idea of being a necessary evil to protect the Alpha Quadrant, the soldiers of Starfleet Tactical have a single purpose: To protect the UFP from all threats both foreign and domestic and if need be to take the fight to the enemy.

The uniform would be much like a standard Starfleet uniform, but with a few more military accoutrements, and their uniforms would be the classic olive drab of Earth's old militaries, perhaps with a bit of the old Wrath of Khan era uniform flair.

Because realistically you WOULD want a nice beefy military. The Klingons have one, the Romulans have one, and the Dominion had one. Why the fuck don't WE have one?
As much as people say Starfleet can act as a military, we all know that people like the TNG era Enterprise crew were probably ill suited for the rigors of a long term down and dirty war. Even the DS9 crew were probably nowhere near as deadly as they could be (Except maybe Garak and Kira. And maybe O'Brien, being a combat vet and all.)And that's where Starfleet Tactical comes in.

"We come in peace" should logically be followed by "but are ready to kick the everloving fucking shit out of you if we have to."
 
Not to be a "Achktuallly" guy, but Sisko is also a war veteran. Just prior to DS9s opening, the Federation just got done with the Tzenkethi War. It was probably something akin to the Invasion of Grenada, but it's part of the reason why Sisko, the Engineer, was starting to look into escort-class ships. And it's also the war that spawned another "evil admiral", Leyton, who wanted to militarize Starfleet.

Part of me wants to put pause on the exploration part, and instead, give a bunch of the Federation races the same love the writers gave to the Klingons, Ferengi, Bajorans, etc. I mean, Andorians and Tellarites are founding members, yet we know almost nothing about them. Go back to the roots, add some (preferably non-woke) lore to them. And maybe the Coridans.

I do wonder how much the various homeworlds contribute militarily. Vulcan still maintains an entire fleet of ships. I'm sure the Andorian Honor Guard has ships, etc. Hell, they supposedly admitted the Xindi 150 years after Enterprise, so those guys could bring all their ships.
 
For nostalgia reasons, I'd want a Star Trek series set between TOS and TNG set in the 2310-30s. Based on how many other races like Talarians (literal Reee! aliens), the Shelliak Corporate, the Tzenkethi, and the Cardassians got into wars with the Federation, I'd like to see how they'd react to one of the Alpha Quadrant superpowers suddenly expanding everywhere all at once and the political situation that results from it. Aesthetically, it'd be going back to the TOS movie era using ship designs from Star Trek Legacy.

Course, it's all moot so long as the producers and writers are overgrown children. Axanar is too busy grifting vax pins.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
If I was allowed to make my own Trek show I would completely disregard all the shit post-Enterprise, then set a show about 20 years after the Dominion War.

I'd show that the Federation has changed a little. Not too much, but the change is there. Still optimistic, still altruistic, but they've been hit hard by reality. They looked at the end toll of the Dominion War, almost a billion dead, and realized that perhaps we'd gotten soft. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it's a necessary one. Humanity has forgotten that and were completely unprepared for the war.

As such, a new division of Starfleet is established, Starfleet Tactical. The outright military arm of the UFP. Established with the idea of being a necessary evil to protect the Alpha Quadrant, the soldiers of Starfleet Tactical have a single purpose: To protect the UFP from all threats both foreign and domestic and if need be to take the fight to the enemy.

The uniform would be much like a standard Starfleet uniform, but with a few more military accoutrements, and their uniforms would be the classic olive drab of Earth's old militaries, perhaps with a bit of the old Wrath of Khan era uniform flair.

Because realistically you WOULD want a nice beefy military. The Klingons have one, the Romulans have one, and the Dominion had one. Why the fuck don't WE have one?
As much as people say Starfleet can act as a military, we all know that people like the TNG era Enterprise crew were probably ill suited for the rigors of a long term down and dirty war. Even the DS9 crew were probably nowhere near as deadly as they could be (Except maybe Garak and Kira. And maybe O'Brien, being a combat vet and all.)And that's where Starfleet Tactical comes in.

"We come in peace" should logically be followed by "but are ready to kick the everloving fucking shit out of you if we have to."
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Elite Force II starring Rico's Roughnecks.

 
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