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Tasty Tatty said:
I think Takei was in Heroes. It wasn't ST, but it was a big deal. I remember I recognized him from ST and many of my friends have no idea but became of fans of the show either way.
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That ain't shit compare to the stuff Shatner has been in. So Shatner still wins
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Calling it a socialist society might be overdoing it, it's a shorthand to refer to a kind of futuristic society where money, labour and economic value work differently than what we know and striving for profits is not necessarily the most common motivation for people. You still have your Harry Mudds who just want some sexy green Gynoid thighs within grabbing distance, you still got a bunch of people who are idealistic and just want to explore space and serve mankind. I mean it's like saying "They have money, therefore it's capitalist".

Picard's vineyard and Sisko's restaurant aren't much of a mystery though. Moneyless society doesn't imply "no personal belongings", that's not even the case in socialism (where you're still allowed to own certain things).
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You have a society whose wants were limited. I think they'd want you to think that it's self-limitation, which is pretty pie-in-the-sky if you think about it.

I do like that they put in people and races who do cater to the desire to want more and have more. Almost their nod to the fact that that desire will never go away. Of course they threw it on aliens and outliers, but we all know that there would be a THRIVING underground economy in the federation.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
You have a society whose wants were limited. I think they'd want you to think that it's self-limitation, which is pretty pie-in-the-sky if you think about it.

I do like that they put in people and races who do cater to the desire to want more and have more. Almost their nod to the fact that that desire will never go away. Of course they threw it on aliens and outliers, but we all know that there would be a THRIVING underground economy in the federation.
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Isn't that essentially what the Orion Syndicate was? I'm pretty sure that operated almost exclusively within the federation too.
 
BIG BILL HELL'S said:
"Neil DeGrasse Tyson should have been the second person we ever shot into space, and I regret that we didn't leave him thiere." --Big Bill
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So sad what happens to doctors when they get a taste of celebrity.

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The Nothingness said:
I don't know. Cardassians were the closest Nazi allegory in Star Trek (aside from that TOS episode with the Nazi planet) and Nu Trek doesn't want to side with Nazis. Unless they make a genocidal, female Cardassian into a "badass" character (like Michelle Yeoh's Mirrorverse counterpart).
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It really cannot be stated enough how nu-trek took a villain who was literally "Gul Dukat but 1000 times more evil and also utterly unpleasant and scummy in person" and treated them like a fun edgy anti hero solely because the insufferable sole protagonist retard lady decided to be friends with her.

It would genuinely be less morally repulsive if Kirk saved Adolf Hitler from suicide via time travel and made him his first officer (because fuck spock I guess) and had him join him on away missions and other adventures solely because he liked his moustache, and nobody on the enterprise questioned it for a moment.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Mike Tyson's brother
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Spud Stacker said:
"Gul Dukat but 1000 times more evil" but treated them like a fun edgy anti hero because the insufferable sole protagonist exceptional individual lady decided to be friends with her.
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The trailer sums up Michael perfectly (by accident) when it uses the term "wrecking ball."
 
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ComStar said:
Upon rewaching Chain Of Command I & II, i really wish Jellico had tossed Riker out an airlock instead of just relieving him of duty. Jesus what a whiny unprepared cunt he turned out to be when the stakes are raised. Especially his conversation with Jellico in his quarters when he has to fly the shuttle drives me mad:

"You've got everybody wound up so tight, there's no joy in anything."

That line. That fucking line makes me wish for an alternate take with a quick drumhead court-martial that ends with Riker getting his insubordinate ass hanged in the cargo bay.


War is not joyful. Preparations for an imminent shooting war get people tense. The crew and officers need to fucking snap to and up their game, not bitch about the new captain being hard and expecting results.

Fuck Riker.
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Given how in season 1 of TNG, pre beard Riker was written as something of the ultimate paragon of Roddenberry's obsessive "new human" utopian masturbation, as exemplified in episodes like the last outpost (and accordingly was eclipsed only by wesley when it came to smugfuck repulsiveness), I wonder whether this was intentional by the writing staff who wanted to both set the stage and twist the knife a little in the build up to DS9's cynical and deconstructive perspective of the Roddenberry ideal
 
Spud Stacker said:
Roddenberry's obsessive "new human" utopian masturbation
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His paragon of human achievement is John Wayne.

From Ira's book:
GENE: *throws back script* We’re not doing it.
IRA: Why?
Gene: Captain Picard is John Wayne. And John Wayne is not afraid of growing old or becoming an admiral. He isn’t afraid of anything.
IRA: Hold on a second, Gene: I happen to be quite a fan of John Wayne, and I can show you tons of his best movies where he’s afraid, where he has doubts, where he’s conflicted--
GENE: No, no. That’s not the John Wayne I’m talking about. I’m talking about John Wayne. That’s who Picard is. There is no problem! If they made him an admiral, he’d just go, “Fine! I’m an admiral! And that’s just the way it is and I’m not gonna worry about it. And I’ll just do it! Everything’s good!” This story will never get done.
IRA: Okay…
GENE: But I really like this pleasure planet idea! Here’s what I wanna see… We’re going to get him laid. And this is what I want. We’re going to get him laid and we’re going to really show this pleasure planet.
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JamesFargo said:
Let's be real, his paragon of human achievement is John Wayne.

From Ira's book:
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Ironically, Behr's original idea ended up being produced anyway during the following season, just with the focal character shifted from Picard to Riker. Shows how quickly Roddenberry was going downhill (and thus losing his control over the writers) by that point.
 
So, the Federation does have a financial system, or at least, member worlds have their own. There's the Bank of Bolias, based on the Bolian homeworld, that supposedly was one of the most secure places in the entire Federation, and it got robbed by Morn and crew. I assume that the Federation has a latinum reserve to trade with non-member worlds who may not barter for goods only they can produce and can't be replicated, or if they needed emergency parts and there was a trader near by.

Just finished Lower Decks season 2. I think I know why now I like it far more than other nu-Trek, besides again the keeping of the Okudas' LCARS aesthetic: No fucking time travel.

Yet.
 
I can't even bring myself to watch a full episode of Lower Decks because the clips I've seen are cringe enough to make me roll my eyes sufficiently so as to be able to actually see my own goddamn brain. I'm not even sure 17 year old me while high would have enjoyed this shit. The humor is beyond puerile.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
I can't even bring myself to watch a full episode of Lower Decks because the clips I've seen are cringe enough to make me roll my eyes sufficiently so as to be able to actually see my own goddamn brain. I'm not even sure 17 year old me while high would have enjoyed this shit. The humor is beyond puerile.
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I watched the first episode, and then realized that I didn't need to see any more.

I've heard that Lower Decks has since brought back the Pakleds...

I hate it when writers decide that they should also be actors in the shit that they write. Yes, I'm calling the writers of Lower Decks retards
 
Regarding the DS9 novels I can wholeheartedly recommend A Stitch in Time by Andrew Robinson to anyone who enjoyed Garak and the Cardassians in general. Considering Robinson was "only" Garak's actor the storytelling and prose is surprisingly solid and gives great insight into everyone's favourite plain and simple tailor's past! Out of all the DS9 novels it's probably my personal favourite. I wouldn't say the novels are as good as the show and sometimes they can be downright retarded lol, but alot of them are quite fun to read especially if you just miss that very specific and slightly campy DS9 vibe.
 
Just re-watching the TOS movies and I without reading whether this is confirmed or not, I think the main motif from II to VI, it's solving the Klingon CKonflict.

By the time we see TNG, the Klingons are allies and Worf's presence is there to show that many wounds have been healed. So, the next logical step was to follow with the Romulans. The first season ends with the re-introduction of the Romulans and they make it a big deal. Through the rest of seasons, we see the Federation approach them and being a bit more accepting and open minded and if I didn't know anything about ST, I'd think Unification was the checking point to remind us that something big about the Romulans is coming. The Chase also hints one of them talking that, maybe in the future, they can be in better terms.

Maybe Generations was the movie to do this. Kirk was there to link TNG with TOS and make the Federation start the peace negotiations with the R. Empire. After that, with First Contact, we have the new enemies, the Borg.

This logical step was not followed, though.

Instead, they destroyed Romulus. After they also destroyed Vulcan.

See, STVI handles this plot very well: the destruction of Praxis isn't there for shock value. The Klingons destroyed the moon, and before their whole race dies, they have no other choice but to wave their white flag and open communication with the Federation. We see how both the Federation and the Klingon Empire are reluctant, that's the main plot. We see the real result in TNG (even though TNG was released before STVI.)

But in NuTrek, the destruction of Vulcan and Romulus is retarded. And how it was handled in Picard is even worse.
 
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