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It's obvious DS9 had more creative freedom. That's why Ron and Ira jumped ship. The atmosphere on TNG was basically a cult. A cult of personality. And when Gene died, it became a necrocracy.
My impression was that some writers and producers treated him as an annoying but very rich grandpa and had to work around his rules to create something interesting for then-modern audience, which they eventually did, especially after Mr Roddenberry had passed away. My impression may be completely wrong though (I only read these production notes from Memory Alpha) and I would love to hear more.
 
This is even more apparent to me when compared to nuTrek, with incoherent plot, off-putting characters and general cheapness and unprofessionalism, which they are trying to hide with flashy (and dumb) CGI.
The people behind old Trek were very open about what did and didn't work, what they liked or didn't like. They accept failure and admit mistakes.

Compare that to nuTrek, where literally everything has to be treated as infallible, divine perfection by everyone. No actor may admit that something was dumb or ill-advised. No writer may admit that they misjudged something. No fan may criticise a bad decision. Otherwise, you are literally Hitler. You have to love nuTrek unconditionally and if you don't like it, you must alter your tastes, since the product can't ever be at fault.

This is such a dystopian hellhole situation that I almost pity those that accept to play by these rules.
 
Yeah and quite extensively at that, I've read through most of them and theres a lot of interesting stuff in there regarding production and their overall intent and direction for the show.
It's also fun to laugh at some of the hilariously stupid questions/opinions thrown his way, this one from 1997 would be right at home on 2021 twitter.
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You're right. That IS dumb. The Changelings, as far as what's on screen, don't seem to reproduce by meiosis. Gender is taken as a form of convenience, not biological reality for them. Which also explains why the Great Link got infected so quickly and so harshly; they do not have the genetic variation that occurs with meiosis.
 
Looks like most of the more truly woke gay space communism shit came from TNG and beyond rather than TOS which essentially seems to be Murica in Space,
By the time of TNG, GR seemed to have become more of a globalist or thought that globalism would be the real Utopian future. The first episodes of TNG show the crew being oblivious at the idea of former nations and thought those beliefs were primitive. In fact, they are so ashamed of that that not even schools teach children what are flags and what they mean. I get that Worf, Tasha or Troi didn't know any of that, but there is no way Riker or Geordi didn't if they ever read any book written by a human author.

Only Picard seemed to know about past history, but it was treated like a rare trivia fact: "pfff, there was a time when humans have countries and flags...". Yeah, a time of almost all of modern human history.

Even non-college educated adults of today know that Earth was once divided by past empires, even if only some basic knowledge. These people who have easy access to all the knowledge of Earth and are basically their ambassadors in Space, don't. I guess that planets are the new nations, but it still made the Enterprise crew look like either arrogant people or simply uneducated imbeciles.

The idea was perhaps poorly welcomed, because later seasons show some small bits of national identities. Keiko was more liberal than O'Brian, but both show characteristics of their ancestries, so some sort of culture of these countries that is specific to them have remained. Same for how the Japanese-named people are likely to be from Japan, etc.
 
By the time of TNG, GR seemed to have become more of a globalist or thought that globalism would be the real Utopian future. The first episodes of TNG show the crew being oblivious at the idea of former nations and thought those beliefs were primitive. In fact, they are so ashamed of that that not even schools teach children what are flags and what they mean. I get that Worf, Tasha or Troi didn't know any of that, but there is no way Riker or Geordi didn't if they ever read any book written by a human author.

Only Picard seemed to know about past history, but it was treated like a rare trivia fact: "pfff, there was a time when humans have countries and flags...". Yeah, a time of almost all of modern human history.

Even non-college educated adults of today know that Earth was once divided by past empires, even if only some basic knowledge. These people who have easy access to all the knowledge of Earth and are basically their ambassadors in Space, don't. I guess that planets are the new nations, but it still made the Enterprise crew look like either arrogant people or simply uneducated imbeciles.
Old Trek tried to support the notion of humanity moving beyond concepts like nation and ethnicity in an enlightened future, where everyone is treated equally and can strive to be whatever they want freely... and then we have nuTrek that comes up with a black crackhead hobo character that insults Picard over owning a vineyard or that short story in STD, where a dude gets crushed by Tribbles and his captain just goes "lol, he was a dipshit anyway".
 
The Federation isn't morally objectivist, though. Just the opposite imo. Individual captains might make a moral judgement but they're usually shown to be acting outside the Federations rules. If the Federation was truly morally objectivist and exceptionalist then the prime directive couldn't exist and there wouldn't be any rapprochement with expansionist races like the Klingons.
The show goes out of it's way to show that Humanity is special. Chekhov's line in VI about inalienable human rights is the perfect example of both Human exceptionalism and the moral superiority that hides underneath Starfleet.

Violating the prime directive is considered by many in the show to be one of the worst things a person can do, but there are many times were the crew are forced to do just that but if violating the prime directive can lead to better outcome and arguably the more "right" one then question is simple: why is it the most important ethical principle of Starfleet?

The answer is simple, because Starfleet believes that non-interference is always the right and only choice to make in every instance from an objective standpoint. If the prime directive was a morally relativist principle then the question of interference vs non-interference would see nobody being objectively right or wrong.
 
The answer is simple, because Starfleet believes that non-interference is always the right and only choice
The Prime Directive made sense when applied to Garth of Izar. Insanely overpowered despot who preyed on the weak.

In TNG, it ceased to make sense because Feds were spying on and trading with pre-warp civilizations. Plus they were giving territory away to the Cardassians.
 
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I think the Romulans were used well in DS9, albeit sparingly.

If Romulans represent Red China, then this is their most accurate portrayal: despite being at 'peace' with the Federation, their motivations are only thinly disguised, and they're still dangerous. Nice to see Sisko and Garak spar with them in a few episodes.♟️
Absolutely. I’m amazed nobody is bringing up how good they were in a pale moonlight.
 
Absolutely. I’m amazed nobody is bringing up how good they were in a pale moonlight.
McHattie is to Romulus what Alaimo is to his world. They both look so comfortable in their roles.

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Been watching the TOS movies on Hulu and I'm on V right now... and I just realized that V can't be considered the worst movie anymore. Insurrection, Nemesis, and the JJ Abrams trilogy exists.
 
Been watching the TOS movies on Hulu and I'm on V right now... and I just realized that V can't be considered the worst movie anymore. Insurrection, Nemesis, and the JJ Abrams trilogy exists.
Final Frontier at least has some great character moments once you get past the terrible comedy. Tell me you don't feel something when McCoy has to pull the plug on his father and I'll call you a goddamn liar.
 
I always thought V had it's own charm. It's never been an unwatchable movie to me like TMP is, it's just simply ridiculous and fun.
TMP is actually really good when you watch the DVD directors cut and see the finished special effects. Feels like a completely different movie and it has actual weight. Especially if you subscribe to the Vger was repaired by (and outgrew) the Borg theory.





Rewatching Ds9 and man... I legitimately dont think there is a better Sci fi series out there. B5 had its moments but it had so many issues. Ds9 feels like a perfect uninterrupted home run in a lot of ways.



I remember seeing the season final when I was a kid. The commercials were the absolute shit.



Kinda glad we never got a season 8, it was neat to see the gang brainstorm ideas in "what we left behind" but I feel like Star Trek Online did a better job of continuing and resolving Odo's story. Especially in light of Rene's death.
 
The Prime Directive made sense when applied to Garth of Izar. Insanely overpowered despot who preyed on the weak.

In TNG, it ceased to make sense because Feds were spying on and trading with pre-warp civilizations. Plus they were giving territory away to the Cardassians.
Or Ronald Tracey giving guns to Mongolians and Cavemen or the Gangster planet or the Nazi planet.
 
From the blog I already linked to:
You know what @JamesFargo ? I actually used to follow this particular blog a while ago (Back before Doctor Who was shit. He had some decent opinions about the audio dramas back when I was first getting into them.) But the dude who writes it is actually a massive faggot. (Both in the literally homosexual, and the defamatory sense). Sorry, I don't have a link to back that up, but I do remember him bringing his homosexuality up any time that it was even tangentially relevant to the plot of what he was talking about.

My point is, "Doc Oho" would probably unironically take Takei's side over Shatner's. For totally socially justarded reasons of course, not because he actually thought that George was a better actor than Bill.

I still personally believe that Shatner and Takei are both equally shitty histrionic people, and their actions over the previous decades have more than proven that... Good for Shatner that he recently went into space though.
 
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