Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Meh, the Rommies were wastes in TNG and DS9.

I think the writers had a hard on for the Klingons who were in most seasons. I guess they're just easier to write being a straight forward and childish race compared to the scheming reclusive Romulans.

Which is a shame cause I would have loved to learn more about them.

The Romulans did fine in TNG as the Russian-Roman allegory, maybe even a bit better than the TOS Klingons. But, it is true they were wasted in DS9 because the Dominion effectively filled that role.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Meh, the Rommies were wastes in TNG and DS9.

I think the Romulans were used well in DS9, i.e. sparingly.

If Romulans represent Red China, then this is their most accurate portrayal: despite being at 'peace' with the Federation, their motivations are only thinly disguised, and they're still dangerous. Nice to see Sisko and Garak spar with them in a few episodes.

 

[Fools Idol]

I think a lot of what people think the Federation is just the Untied Earth government and by extension Starfleet. The UFP seems more like a loose coalition of states that has some hot button issues that it puts it's foot down on but is largely happy to leave it's member states to their own devices rather than a massive central government and command economy à la the USSR. Now that I think about it the UFP didn't seem to have a any economic policy or system that it imposes on it's members or individuals either.

Starfleet and Earth's gov/colonies are definitely a post-scarcity (as much as a it can be anyway) socialist society, but it's also place that most modern liberal's would hate. Exceptionalism, moral objectivism and individualism are all very much part of Human society in the 24th century, hell people seem to have no issue getting hold of weapons for their own personal use.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

TNG Romulans were pretty cool. Less cartoonishly entertaining than the Klingons, but they had a neat aesthetic and the best looking ships on the show.

The Ferengi marauder was also a cool design, tho I'm not sure terracotta was a good color choice.

 

[UnKillFill]

Those jackets were on point tho

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They somehow look both incredibly comfortable, and incredibly uncomfortable at the same time.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Starfleet and Earth's gov/colonies are definitely a post-scarcity (as much as a it can be anyway) socialist society, but it's also place that most modern liberal's would hate.

And this is why the Trump allegory falls flat. I avoid weighing in on Nu Trek, since I don't watch it. But any discussion of MAGA would involve them being betrayed by the Dems and then radicalized. And no studio is going to air that sort of indictment.

The Ferengi marauder was also a cool design, tho I'm not sure terracotta was a good color choice.

B5 had that problem. It's not enough to have distinct shapes. The ships all have to be red, purple or green to tell them apart.

I guess it's a given if you have a lot of factions.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

This is throwing a fistful of salt into an open cut I have been suffering from ever since Ghostbitches came out 5 years ago.

It's clear these shitty new takes on glorious old IPs is entirely motivated by using said IPs as soapboxes to pontificate from... but here's the fucking thing:
These people aren't just cultists high on Kool Aid, hellbent on pissing off old fans for petty reasons, they are also incompetent to a degree that makes it almost impossible to believe they possess enough brain power to not simply suffocate from forgetting to breathe.
They go about their business in such idiotic ways, they choose the dumbest and most convoluted means to twist and turn the IP with abhorrent results, when they could get their point across in a much, much, MUCH more effective way if they could just put down their soy latté long enough to get their neurons firing.

Star Trek is the perfect example. You have a liberal post-scarciry almost socialist society in the Federation, where all live is cherished, nature is protected, conflict is avoided and everyone strives to be the best person they can be... and what do these hack writers do with it? Turn it into a bleak, repulsive, hellhole full of shitty people doing shitty things.

Instead of going "This is the racism-free environmentalist utopia that Greta Thunberg and Kamala Harris will build if you support them" they go "lol everything is shit! btw brown people are literally Jesus, so stop being shitlords." Sure, the Greta/Kamala thing would be cringe as fuck and utterly uncreative, but it would at least sort of advertise the political message that they want to sell the audience.

If this new batch of commie writers followed the actual canon and continuity of the franchise, they'd have to accept that their personal beliefs ideas are wrong. Star Trek is as perfect as a society can be: they have no hunger, no violence, no disease, and people are overall free to do as they wish in their lives because there is not pressure of starving.

Yet, you still have terrorism, violence, and assholes.

Socialists and communists often say that the root of all societal problems is poverty, and despite Star Trek has got rid of that, they still need to face many different issues such as corruption to give an example. Sure, the corruption of some random Admiral won't make Africa starve, but it's still real nevertheless.

The Romulans did fine in TNG as the Russian-Roman allegory, maybe even a bit better than the TOS Klingons. But, it is true they were wasted in DS9 because the Dominion effectively filled that role.

I have no problem with that because TNG let an open door for the exploration of a better relationship between Romulans and the Federation. The Borg could have been the new enemy in common to open real communication between them.

 

[Uranus Pink]

For a quote "post scarcity society" they sure did have rationed everything going by the dialogue for not Starfleet "citizens."

 

[Travoltron]

So yeah, I guess George Takei bitching was inevitable.

George Takei calls William Shatner an 'unfit guinea pig' in space

Takei, 84, said his former co-star was 'boldly going where other people have gone before,' mocking his phrase as Captain Kirk in Star Trek. Shatner, 90, became the oldest person in space Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William Shatner fires back at George Takei over space trip criticism

'Don't hate George,' Shatner wrote. 'The only time he gets press is when he talks bad about me. He claims 50+ years ago I took away a camera angle that denied him 30 more seconds of prime time TV.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tookie]

So yeah, I guess George Takei bitching was inevitable.

George Takei calls William Shatner an 'unfit guinea pig' in space

Takei, 84, said his former co-star was 'boldly going where other people have gone before,' mocking his phrase as Captain Kirk in Star Trek. Shatner, 90, became the oldest person in space Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William Shatner fires back at George Takei over space trip criticism

'Don't hate George,' Shatner wrote. 'The only time he gets press is when he talks bad about me. He claims 50+ years ago I took away a camera angle that denied him 30 more seconds of prime time TV.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

What a sad little man. Does he honestly think this helps him stay relevant or make people like him anymore?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

So yeah, I guess George Takei bitching was inevitable.

George Takei calls William Shatner an 'unfit guinea pig' in space

Takei, 84, said his former co-star was 'boldly going where other people have gone before,' mocking his phrase as Captain Kirk in Star Trek. Shatner, 90, became the oldest person in space Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William Shatner fires back at George Takei over space trip criticism

'Don't hate George,' Shatner wrote. 'The only time he gets press is when he talks bad about me. He claims 50+ years ago I took away a camera angle that denied him 30 more seconds of prime time TV.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

That is an interesting point Takei is making, here's my counter argument:

Chances aren't half bad Shatner will be the oldest person going to space for quite some time and that's fucking glorious.

 

[Miller]

So yeah, I guess George Takei bitching was inevitable.

George Takei calls William Shatner an 'unfit guinea pig' in space

Takei, 84, said his former co-star was 'boldly going where other people have gone before,' mocking his phrase as Captain Kirk in Star Trek. Shatner, 90, became the oldest person in space Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William Shatner fires back at George Takei over space trip criticism

'Don't hate George,' Shatner wrote. 'The only time he gets press is when he talks bad about me. He claims 50+ years ago I took away a camera angle that denied him 30 more seconds of prime time TV.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Shatner may be an "unfit guinea pig" but at least he doesn't diddle young boys.

 

[Oats12345]

So yeah, I guess George Takei bitching was inevitable.

George Takei calls William Shatner an 'unfit guinea pig' in space

Takei, 84, said his former co-star was 'boldly going where other people have gone before,' mocking his phrase as Captain Kirk in Star Trek. Shatner, 90, became the oldest person in space Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William Shatner fires back at George Takei over space trip criticism

'Don't hate George,' Shatner wrote. 'The only time he gets press is when he talks bad about me. He claims 50+ years ago I took away a camera angle that denied him 30 more seconds of prime time TV.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Honselty it just shows how retarded Takei is. everyone is happy about Shatner being the oldest person to go to space. Just shows he's a jerk

 

[White Devil]

Takei has been bitter over Shatner for like 60 years now. He's going to continue to be bitter until he finally fucking gets HIV and dies.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Takei has been bitter over Shatner for like 60 years now.

From the blog I already linked to:

I have a bit of an issue with Carole Ann Ford and I make no secret of it... I wonder if she ever stopped to think that perhaps it wasn’t the success of the show and the paucity of the character that sabotaged her career but simply that she isn’t a particularly good actress, because that sounds like a far more convincing argument from where I’m standing. Saying that, she does everything that is required of her here, but considering that is to act out a complete non-entity who blends in with the crowd, Ford is more than up to the task.

 

[AnotherOne]

I think a lot of what people think the Federation is just the Untied Earth government and by extension Starfleet. The UFP seems more like a loose coalition of states that has some hot button issues that it puts it's foot down on but is largely happy to leave it's member states to their own devices rather than a massive central government and command economy à la the USSR. Now that I think about it the UFP didn't seem to have a any economic policy or system that it imposes on it's members or individuals either.

Starfleet and Earth's gov/colonies are definitely a post-scarcity (as much as a it can be anyway) socialist society, but it's also place that most modern liberal's would hate. Exceptionalism, moral objectivism and individualism are all very much part of Human society in the 24th century, hell people seem to have no issue getting hold of weapons for their own personal use.

The Federation isn't morally objectivist, though. Just the opposite imo. Individual captains might make a moral judgement but they're usually shown to be acting outside the Federations rules. If the Federation was truly morally objectivist and exceptionalist then the prime directive couldn't exist and there wouldn't be any rapprochement with expansionist races like the Klingons.

For a quote "post scarcity society" they sure did have rationed everything going by the dialogue for not Starfleet "citizens."

There's a reason most of Star Trek took place at the fringes of Federation space. Earth might be a post scarcity utopia, but the planets outside of the federation had no such luck. Conflict is interesting so obviously that fringe was going to be the focus of the show.
Then Star Trek Picard happened and suddenly even Earth was an impoverished shithole with people struggling to get by. Star Trek was always aspirational and 'woke' in its own way, but its a sad indictment of current-year politics that they can't even imagine a time where they succeed. Star Trek could have been the show where sexism and racism and inequality are things of the past and where transwomen really are indistinguishable from natural women. It could have been the lefties pitching their vision of the future just like Roddenberry did. Instead they just had a couple of (female) characters ranting about how poor old Picard needs to check his privilege.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Disagreeing as TOS wasn't woke although not for the lack of trying by borderline communist Leonard Nimoy who been tard wrangled by everybody, especially by the WWII veterans. TNG and onwards the Federation instead of being an idealized version of the United States in TOS is now an utopian version of USSR.

 

[Great President of McHell]

There's a reason most of Star Trek took place at the fringes of Federation space. Earth might be a post scarcity utopia, but the planets outside of the federation had no such luck. Conflict is interesting so obviously that fringe was going to be the focus of the show.
Then Star Trek Picard happened and suddenly even Earth was an impoverished shithole with people struggling to get by. Star Trek was always aspirational and 'woke' in its own way, but its a sad indictment of current-year politics that they can't even imagine a time where they succeed. Star Trek could have been the show where sexism and racism and inequality are things of the past and where transwomen really are indistinguishable from natural women. It could have been the lefties pitching their vision of the future just like Roddenberry did. Instead they just had a couple of (female) characters ranting about how poor old Picard needs to check his privilege.

Even a lot of human colonies within the Federation were still fucked, remember Tasha Yar's rape planet? Picard's premise would have worked so much better if they kept the utopic earth and focused on some shitty colonies the federation chooses to ignore instead, that way they could keep their stupid stupid race and class struggle drama without completely undermining the established canon.
At the end of the day its all in service of polishing a turd but so much of STD/STP could be fixed if the writers thought about it for even a second.

 

[Oats12345]

The Federation isn't morally objectivist, though. Just the opposite imo. Individual captains might make a moral judgement but they're usually shown to be acting outside the Federations rules. If the Federation was truly morally objectivist and exceptionalist then the prime directive couldn't exist and there wouldn't be any rapprochement with expansionist races like the Klingons.

There's a reason most of Star Trek took place at the fringes of Federation space. Earth might be a post scarcity utopia, but the planets outside of the federation had no such luck. Conflict is interesting so obviously that fringe was going to be the focus of the show.
Then Star Trek Picard happened and suddenly even Earth was an impoverished shithole with people struggling to get by. Star Trek was always aspirational and 'woke' in its own way, but its a sad indictment of current-year politics that they can't even imagine a time where they succeed. Star Trek could have been the show where sexism and racism and inequality are things of the past and where transwomen really are indistinguishable from natural women. It could have been the lefties pitching their vision of the future just like Roddenberry did. Instead they just had a couple of (female) characters ranting about how poor old Picard needs to check his privilege.

I view it as workies can't except a world where they won. Everything for them needs to be a struggle. That's why they tried to claim that America is still very racist ignoring achievements like Martin Lurher King Jr. Or getting a black president because than they can't be victims any more. Or gay marriage becoming legal. They still consider many things homophobic despite that.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Disagreeing as TOS wasn't woke although not for the lack of trying by borderline communist Leonard Nimoy who been tard wrangled by everybody, especially by the WWII veterans. TNG and onwards the Federation instead of being an idealized version of the United States in TOS is now an utopian version of USSR.

Eh, TNG Feds were picky as to who could join the Federation. You couldn't have indoctrinated super-soldiers, enslave a space jellyfish, or have a caste system if a planet wanted to become a member. The USSR would have been fine with all of those things. If any society was like the USSR in TNG, it was the Romulans with their secretive society that rats out dissenters.