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Didn't this stupid show fuck up Klingons too?
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Made them a Trump allegory, as I recall.
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and if you want to see them in the original Japanese check nico, last I saw they have some of TOS/TAS and most of TNG-ENT
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They were more supposed to be Trump *voters*, as in they all fell behind a single charismatic figure to "make Qo'nos great again".
That was in a tweet.
The Discovery writers turning things into shitty allegories of people they don't like really rankles me. It's one thing to make a shitty Trek, but still have heart. It's another when the writers are "We'll show them!" in their writing. For example, the end of Season 3? The explanation for the Burn that destroyed dilithium warp everywhere? Yeah, apparently it's supposed to be "old school" Trek fans screaming that Discovery should be burned to the ground. A space incel locked in a basement's rage destroyed warp travel for everyone.
I think the worst LD folks have said is "Teehee! Everything is canon now!".
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I wish I could say that writers openly showing contempt for the fans was something new - but it happened plenty of times in the pre-2005 era as well, with Rick Berman finding it easier to blame the fans for Nemesis' tanking than saying just maybe Paramount screwed up by hiring a director who had zero interest in the series, and then releasing the result a few days before The Two Towers. And even before that, you had Jeri Taylor saying how horribly mean the fans were being for complaining about all those boring as fuck holodeck stories in Voyager's first two seasons.
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You can see these people not only don't know the (npi) lore, but they also don't understand it.
A MAGA allegory could have been more fitting to Romulans or Cardassians rather than Klingons.
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Their slogan was way more retarded, it was: "Remain Klingon", which doesn't make sense at all since the Klingon Empire wasn't part of the Federation.
The other example of this type of "writing" is the season 2 premiere with the science officer from Pike's Enterprise who died because he dared to mansplain to Burnham and earlier an alien sneezed on him and they all laughed instead of giving him a tissue or something. The character never got a funeral scene or a few lines from Pike about him, but the robot girl (who had no character development since the show started) who died later in the season got a full funeral scene with the crew in tears in the Discovery hangar deck.
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That was so glorious. The interview he had right after he got out of it was moving stuff. He could barely contain himself, it was like a religious experience. Straight up says "oh Jesus" at one point. If he was having doubts before he's not now.
Do I dare hope its getting significantly better? I mean wow, this is actual star trek.
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Or the Ferengi . Really the Klingons are the last aliens I thought were be used for a MAGA allegory. They can't even get their orange man bad right!!
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That and the whole thing about warmongering Klingons wanting to stay true to their traditions and not be influenced by the Federation had been done way better by The Undiscovered Country.
I suppose they might have shied away from doing it with the Romulans because the concept of an outsider politician coming into power and shaking everything up might have felt too much like Shinzon, but considering how one of the common criticisms of Nemesis was how badly executed and generic his character ended up being, it seems like it would have been a nice chance to do that idea properly.
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Frankly if discovery wanted to do that plotline then they could have chosen to answer one of the niggling questions about the federation and the klingons being BFFs during the TNG era.
I.e. why the hell would the peak-roddenderry federation be so tight with what on the surface looked like a violent expansionist race-supremacist empire?
Obviously there is a realpolitik answer for this (i.e. they cant do shit to stop them without full on war so they just try to influence them as allies) but they could have fleshed out the actual workings of the klingon empire as an entity that is not a million miles away from the federation in terms of morality, and is less a "conquer and enslave everything in sight" empire and more a Holy Roman Empire esque union whose honor/warrior centric culture produced parallels to the basic tenants of the Federation (i.e. not interfering in protectorate affairs due to them being under imperial protection, aiding worlds within the empire in various crises due to nobliesse oblige, non interference with pre-warp civilisations due to chivalry), and the aggressive conquering schtick being solely reserved for space-faring civilisations that pose a direct and open threat to the empire and would not stand down.
With regards to Discovery, this could have been the perfect setup for an easy woke baiting narrative story arc about an arrogant and moralistic federation (and unsubtle stand in for muh-america/muh-european colonial powers) to presume the klingons were just a big evil empire of retards and begin issuing ultimatums backed by starfleet firepower to "liberate" their various protectorates and territories or face all out war, and the klingons ironically trying to avoid such a war with diplomacy due to having more experience than the still young federation of just how bad a full on galactic war would be, only for [INSERT SEASON 1 CONSPIRACY PLOTLINE HERE] to wipe out the diplomats and frame crew of the discovery at the season finale, and season 2 being all about trying to stop the war and clear their names in a galaxy where both sides are after them.
From this point the way is clear for a plotline about hardcore militarists and aggressive expansionists steadily taking over the klingon empire in the wake of it sustaining horrific losses against an enemy they saw as utterly dishonorable scumbags, and causing it to become a whole lot nastier in a way that not only lets them do a pathetic "muh drumpf" woke baiting story in a far less embarrassing manner, but also directly leads into the TOS era where the klingons are massive assholes who seem to have a crazy number of grudges against the federation.
But then here I am, futily pointing out easy ways the hack fucks who run the franchise could have made even their shitty current-year horseshit narratives work pretty dang well in the setting while not utterly fucking the franchise up beyond repair, when we all know its long past the point of being even remotely salvagable.
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I watched the space flight this morning. What an incredible thing to see.
I initially worried for Shatner's health during the launch, but I knew he would be okay because the others were with him.
He's always known...he'll die alone.
I initially worried for Shatner's health during the launch, but I knew he would be okay because the others were with him.
He's always known...he'll die alone.
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He'll die with a belly full of wine and a hooker giving him a blowjob.
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We should all be so lucky
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Romulans have only worked in two stories: "The Enterprise Incident" and "Balance of Terror". And "The Defector" if I'm feeling generous.
They're the only truly evil alien in canon. If you think about it, the Romulans are just grunts. They do not seem particularly competent when humans are involved.
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Today I found out they're dragging poor Robert Beltran back for the Prodigy cartoon on Nickelodeon/Paramount+. Jesus christ. You know, you can turn down a paycheck, right?
He's gonna die mocking some fat black haired Milwaukeean as he chokes on that glazed cruller.
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It was only ever a paycheck to him.
Robert did an AmA many years ago. He's an amusing guy, and candid, too. He vacations in the tropics with his co-stars once a year. A nice reality check: even spear carriers make some nice money.
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This is throwing a fistful of salt into an open cut I have been suffering from ever since Ghostbitches came out 5 years ago.
It's clear these shitty new takes on glorious old IPs is entirely motivated by using said IPs as soapboxes to pontificate from... but here's the fucking thing:
These people aren't just cultists high on Kool Aid, hellbent on pissing off old fans for petty reasons, they are also incompetent to a degree that makes it almost impossible to believe they possess enough brain power to not simply suffocate from forgetting to breathe.
They go about their business in such idiotic ways, they choose the dumbest and most convoluted means to twist and turn the IP with abhorrent results, when they could get their point across in a much, much, MUCH more effective way if they could just put down their soy latté long enough to get their neurons firing.
Star Trek is the perfect example. You have a liberal post-scarciry almost socialist society in the Federation, where all live is cherished, nature is protected, conflict is avoided and everyone strives to be the best person they can be... and what do these hack writers do with it? Turn it into a bleak, repulsive, hellhole full of shitty people doing shitty things.
Instead of going "This is the racism-free environmentalist utopia that Greta Thunberg and Kamala Harris will build if you support them" they go "lol everything is shit! btw brown people are literally Jesus, so stop being shitlords." Sure, the Greta/Kamala thing would be cringe as fuck and utterly uncreative, but it would at least sort of advertise the political message that they want to sell the audience.
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Meh, the Rommies were wastes in TNG and DS9.
I think the writers had a hard on for the Klingons who were in most seasons. I guess they're just easier to write being a straight forward and childish race compared to the scheming reclusive Romulans.
Which is a shame cause I would have loved to learn more about them.
I think the writers had a hard on for the Klingons who were in most seasons. I guess they're just easier to write being a straight forward and childish race compared to the scheming reclusive Romulans.
Which is a shame cause I would have loved to learn more about them.