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Maybe I’m biased, but this was a really good start!
 
Moguro Fukuzou said:
I found it really interesting learning that the Gail Simone's run of Red Sonja, which I had seen highly praised by many, is apparently disliked greatly among long time fans. I ended up looking through the red sonja subreddit and they make some pretty compelling arguments on why it's a bad Red Sonja work because of the character liberties taken. Makes sense to me given that I ended up not getting that far into it since I found Sonja kind of annoying and bland. I'm enjoying Mark Russell's run a lot more so far and might look into some of the early runs besides Simone's run to see if they're also enjoyable. She's just a lot more fun to read in his run since she's a lot more fleshed out then Simone's Sonja of "Loves to drink and fuck to ridiculous levels while also coming off as dumb/pig-headed" which I found wore thin for me after the first arc (which I didn't mind).

It's just really weird to see a work get such high praise get the exact opposite treatment among dedicated fans. I can only assume it's due to the people enjoying Simone's run having that as their first intro to Red Sonja so her being so different from her past incarnations doesn't register.
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Simone took the job because her mother was a fan of the character and made her to. And the entire run is her doing that joke that she cannot get laid.

Or so she said in a convention some time ago.
 
Owlman3 said:
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Maybe I’m biased, but this was a really good start!
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Disagree. I thought it was a bunch of nothing. But it wasn't bad.

A nameless trool said:
Simone took the job because her mother was a fan of the character and made her to. And the entire run is her doing that joke that she cannot get laid.

Or so she said in a convention some time ago.
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Well if Gai said so...

Honestly I think it had more to do with taking something away from fans.

Speaking of Sonja. Christopher Hastings of Gwenpool and Doc McNinja fame is writing a Red Sonja series. It was, kindof weird.
 
Here's my comic sperging, Some years ago I read Astro City and it had one comic about the series' versions of Wonder Woman and Superman having a date. They talk about "who to save" dilemma and WW says that if the choice comes between a male and a female she'll rescue the female because feminism.

To this day I can't understand what the writer was thinking. It's not like saving the woman is something other heroes don't do, if anything human mentality makes people more inclined to help a woman than a man. So WW basically keeps the existing inequality for very immoral reasons.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Here's my comic sperging, Some years ago I read Astro City and it had one comic about the series' versions of Wonder Woman and Superman having a date. They talk about "who to save" dilemma and WW says that if the choice comes between a male and a female she'll rescue the female because feminism.

To this day I can't understand what the writer was thinking. It's not like saving the woman is something other heroes don't do, if anything human mentality makes people more inclined to help a woman than a man. So WW basically keeps the existing inequality for very immoral reasons.
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oh yeah astro city has had some interesting takes that have some not so subtle implications on Winged Victory's "bias"
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Here's my comic sperging, Some years ago I read Astro City and it had one comic about the series' versions of Wonder Woman and Superman having a date. They talk about "who to save" dilemma and WW says that if the choice comes between a male and a female she'll rescue the female because feminism.
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Yep.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
To this day I can't understand what the writer was thinking. It's not like saving the woman is something other heroes don't do, if anything human mentality makes people more inclined to help a woman than a man. So WW basically keeps the existing inequality for very immoral reasons.
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No, it had more to do with her origins. Winged Victory isn't a 1/1 Wonder Woman character. She was empowered by great women or whatever for the purpose of feminism and as such she saw her mission as helping women first and best.

While clearly based on Wonder Woman Busiek altered some of her origins and in doing so, he imparted some of his own feminism onto the character in the same way he did with the other expys. That's what is, in some ways, so frustrating about Astro City. Its just familiar enough to be recognizable, but not close enough to always be satisfying.

I far preferred Alan Moore's Supreme in that he did a better job of telling stories for Superman he couldn't do with the actual characters than than Busiek did with AC
 
jspit2.0 said:
Yep.



No, it had more to do with her origins. Winged Victory isn't a 1/1 Wonder Woman character. She was empowered by great women or whatever for the purpose of feminism and as such she saw her mission as helping women first and best.

While clearly based on Wonder Woman Busiek altered some of her origins and in doing so, he imparted some of his own feminism onto the character in the same way he did with the other expys. That's what is, in some ways, so frustrating about Astro City. Its just familiar enough to be recognizable, but not close enough to always be satisfying.

I far preferred Alan Moore's Supreme in that he did a better job of telling stories for Superman he couldn't do with the actual characters than than Busiek did with AC
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i think most of winged victory's appearances in astro city were usually tongue in cheek regarding the feminist WW pastiche and focus on feminism.

the other expys? i think they were mostly fine.
 
jspit2.0 said:
Yep.



No, it had more to do with her origins. Winged Victory isn't a 1/1 Wonder Woman character. She was empowered by great women or whatever for the purpose of feminism and as such she saw her mission as helping women first and best.

While clearly based on Wonder Woman Busiek altered some of her origins and in doing so, he imparted some of his own feminism onto the character in the same way he did with the other expys. That's what is, in some ways, so frustrating about Astro City. Its just familiar enough to be recognizable, but not close enough to always be satisfying.

I far preferred Alan Moore's Supreme in that he did a better job of telling stories for Superman he couldn't do with the actual characters than than Busiek did with AC
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On the other hand, there as a Captain Atom/Dr. Manhattan expy in the "Astro City: Local Heroes" #2 issue that just fucking got fed up and bailed because the Lois Lane stand-in keep trying to expose his secret identity, just like Silver Age Lois did. So Kurt was basically pointing out what a nosy, exasperating cunt SL Lois was.
 
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Newman's Own said:
I disagree.

Busiek seems pretty hardcore about getting the word out about how virtuous he is.

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I tend to stay off twitter and Busiek hadn't had a kiwi farms spotlight on him until this post. *sigh*
Water-T said:
On the other hand, there as a Captain Atom/Dr. Manhattan expy in the "Astro City: Local Heroes" #2 issue that just fucking got fed up and bailed because the Lois Lane stand-in keep trying to expose his secret identity, just like Silver Age Lois did. So Kurt was basically pointing out what a nosy, exasperating cunt SL Lois was.
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yeah that story was one of the more fun ones.
 
Latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man was fine, but nothing special. It felt mostly like a bunch of setup and had a pretty light tone compared to Last Remains, which is fair enough. I totally get needing a break, but at the same time I don't really care about the whole superior foes thing. Then again Spencer's been building up the connection between Kingpin and Kindred for a while now, so anything that happens with either of them is furthering the plot I care about in the end. I'm still not sure how I feel about the new costume, it looks cool and the in-story reasoning for it is cute. At least Pete's aware that the whole internet influencer thing is cringe as fuck.

I haven't read any of the new DC stuff besides Suicide Squad last week, which I enjoyed. For those of you that have been picking up more of the new books though, what are your early thoughts?
 
Water-T said:
On the other hand, there as a Captain Atom/Dr. Manhattan expy in the "Astro City: Local Heroes" #2 issue that just fucking got fed up and bailed because the Lois Lane stand-in keep trying to expose his secret identity, just like Silver Age Lois did. So Kurt was basically pointing out what a nosy, exasperating cunt SL Lois was.
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But...Kurt was using the story through the lens of the characters dyke, feminist daughter, who ended the story about how the real problem was her mother didn't see she was special without a man...

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Newman's Own said:
I disagree.

Busiek seems pretty hardcore about getting the word out about how virtuous he is.

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yeah, Kurt's was always a loon.

This was only worsened in recent years. Some of it is him only really feeling restrained by his love of the Marvel characters (He famously dropped the Uncanny X-men during the Claremont run because he didn't like it changing the originals), some of it his old age I'm sure, but allot of it is the twin punches of Twitter allowing him instant access to interact with fans and the end of the professional cone of silence that most creators respected.

Two examples. I once watched Kurt, in real time on twitter, have a full on bitch out at a fan when said fan attempted to explain how to fix Kurt's air conditioner, which he was complaining about. At the same time, Art Thibert reported recently that Kurt Busiek told him back in the 90s that it was racist that his character, Black, of White and Black was racist because the character was not black.

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jspit2.0 said:
But...Kurt was using the story through the lens of the characters dyke, feminist daughter, who ended the story about how the real problem was her mother didn't see she was special without a man...

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yeah, Kurt's was always a loon.

This was only worsened in recent years. Some of it is him only really feeling restrained by his love of the Marvel characters (He famously dropped the Uncanny X-men during the Claremont run because he didn't like it changing the originals), some of it his old age I'm sure, but allot of it is the twin punches of Twitter allowing him instant access to interact with fans and the end of the professional cone of silence that most creators respected.

Two examples. I once watched Kurt, in real time on twitter, have a full on bitch out at a fan when said fan attempted to explain how to fix Kurt's air conditioner, which he was complaining about. At the same time, Art Thibert reported recently that Kurt Busiek told him back in the 90s that it was racist that his character, Black, of White and Black was racist because the character was not black.

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*sigh*

goddamnit i enjoyed Kurt's work.
 
King Koalemos said:
*sigh*

goddamnit i enjoyed Kurt's work.
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I'm sorry.

But hopefully you still can. Alan Moore's an ass, John Byrne is crazy, and the less said about Neal Adams personal idiosyncrasy the better.

For myself, I like some of Kurt's work. His Marvel stuff from the 90s are mostly good. That's because he is a an enormous fanboy. But take away George Perez or Alex Ross, make him work on his own stuff, and it's not really anything special.

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Astro City is unique in that its mainly expys for DC/Marvel so he can use ideas/scripts that wouldn't fly at the big two for various reasons.
 
jspit2.0 said:
I'm sorry.

But hopefully you still can. Alan Moore's an ass, John Byrne is crazy, and the less said about Neal Adams personal idiosyncrasy the better.

For myself, I like some of Kurt's work. His Marvel stuff from the 90s are mostly good. That's because he is a an enormous fanboy. But take away George Perez or Alex Ross, make him work on his own stuff, and it's not really anything special.

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Astro City is unique in that its mainly expys for DC/Marvel so he can use ideas/scripts that wouldn't fly at the big two for various reasons.
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honestly as long as they aren't completely and utterly batshit insane with twitter like mark waid was, i'm fine. *sigh*

i like a lot of the writers from the "reconstruction" era. they at least were fans and could tell decent enough stuff. now we don't even get fans writing it and its just tards like tamaki.
 
TheCosmicWarrior said:
I'm on a big eurocomic kick right now. Just read Valerian The Complete Collection Volume 1. I highly recommend ditching Marvel/DC and getting into this stuff. It's light years beyond American comics.
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If you were impressed with Valerian, just wait until you venture further. Hugo Pratt, Van Hamme, Druilet, and Jodorowsky easily outclass giants of American comics like Alan Moore. Rosinski is an artist, but projects he is involved with are always very good. My favorite ones are "Lament of the Lost Moors" and "Count Skarbek."

Only American series I care about at this point is "Resident Alien," and that's ending soon anyway.
 
GoPro said:
If you were impressed with Valerian, just wait until you venture further. Hugo Pratt, Van Hamme, Druilet, and Jodorowsky easily outclass giants of American comics like Alan Moore. Rosinski is an artist, but projects he is involved with are always very good. My favorite ones are "Lament of the Lost Moors" and "Count Skarbek."

Only American series I care about at this point is "Resident Alien," and that's ending soon anyway.
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Awesome. I'll take a look for these. I got The Incal so I'll be reading that shortly.

Newman's Own said:
I disagree.

Busiek seems pretty hardcore about getting the word out about how virtuous he is.

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Busiek has always been just a complete nutjob online. I was a huge fan of his growing up and he just went on Twitter calling me a buncha names one day and I'd never interacted with him. I was a nobody at the time, hadn't even made my federalist article on comics yet. It was bizarre. Was one of my first wake up calls to how awful comic pros are in the mainstream industry.
 
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