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Montalbane said:
Just like jojo I never got into it because thr fanbase was absolute shit.
And the arstyle never really interested me.
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I"ll say this about jojo.

it's not meant to be taken too seriously and Part 3 is overrated. It's a fun ride if you want to get into it, but the fanbase is also kinda shit.



the memes were great until twitter got into it. I love the Cowboy horse race part 7 though.
 
Montalbane said:
Uber just lost focus imho and it completely glossed over some of the operational theatres like Italy where the axis still held somewhat.
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Under the pseudohistorical veneer it was always pretty much just hyperviolent body horror Dragon Ball Z. But the last couple arcs in Japan and Russia had some good loony plot twists. I was hoping for a nice apocalyptic finish.

It feels like there might have been some kind of shenanigans going on with the publisher, because every time someone asked Kieron Gillen about the last arc his reply was, maybe, we'll see, next question.
 
X Pac Heat said:
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lmfao "Kid Spectrum"

god damn Marvel just keep giving us these L's
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Is Nova autistic now?

Lucifer's Rectum said:
I still haven't picked my jaw up off the floor with how bad Future State has been. I was tired before but DC has managed to make me not give a fuck about their entire line with this event, so that's fun. I'm really hoping for brighter days ahead but I think you're right that there won't be.
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Future State is the perfect example of every thing wrong with Dc: an unnecessary, overdone event that spits on longtime readers and ruins past characters in a vain attempt to prop-up new 'diverse, trendy & modern' interpretations of characters in a vain attempt to attract a non-existent younger fanbase, while in actuality operating as a trojan horse for the lunatic boomers running the show to reformat the characters and the universe into whatever they see fit. Everything about Future State reeks of the myopia that has infested the industry for decades now schizophrenically muddled with the desperation of publishers to gain a new audience and the higher ups incoherent vision for the universe. It's how simultaneously all the legacy characters are failures but black Batman has truly saved Gotham. Didio hates legacies but needs new diverse heroes all the while being too shortsighted to see that any sales he got would be unsustainable and go the way of the new52.
 
Giga_Nigga_28 said:
Is Nova autistic now?


Future State is the perfect example of every thing wrong with Dc: an unnecessary, overdone event that spits on longtime readers and ruins past characters in a vain attempt to prop-up new 'diverse, trendy & modern' interpretations of characters in a vain attempt to attract a non-existent younger fanbase, while in actuality operating as a trojan horse for the lunatic boomers running the show to reformat the characters and the universe into whatever they see fit. Everything about Future State reeks of the myopia that has infested the industry for decades now schizophrenically muddled with the desperation of publishers to gain a new audience and the higher ups incoherent vision for the universe. It's how simultaneously all the legacy characters are failures but black Batman has truly saved Gotham. Didio hates legacies but needs new diverse heroes all the while being too shortsighted to see that any sales he got would be unsustainable and go the way of the new52.
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I think Sam's somehow involved in the Squadron Supreme stuff, if you recall the Doctor Spectrum character that was a Green Lantern stand-in.

future state is thankfully just a temp thing and i doubt we'd get much of it to do anything relevant in terms of changes.
 
So the last issue of Titans Future State was pretty shit. It wasn't even a conclusion, just a setup for that Titans Academy book that's coming soon. Hopefully that one's better? Who am I kidding it won't be.
 
Gotta admit, I liked the 'Love is A Battlefield' story with Amanda Waller and Perry White, the two bounce off one another well.

And the basis of the Wonder Woman one is that a snow-themed villain attacks Wonder Woman on Valentine's day because she doesn't know she's gender fluid. That's all I took from it and I don't know whether the story wanted me to laugh or not.
 
Giga_Nigga_28 said:
Future State is the perfect example of every thing wrong with Dc: an unnecessary, overdone event that spits on longtime readers and ruins past characters in a vain attempt to prop-up new 'diverse, trendy & modern' interpretations of characters in a vain attempt to attract a non-existent younger fanbase, while in actuality operating as a trojan horse for the lunatic boomers running the show to reformat the characters and the universe into whatever they see fit. Everything about Future State reeks of the myopia that has infested the industry for decades now schizophrenically muddled with the desperation of publishers to gain a new audience and the higher ups incoherent vision for the universe. It's how simultaneously all the legacy characters are failures but black Batman has truly saved Gotham. Didio hates legacies but needs new diverse heroes all the while being too shortsighted to see that any sales he got would be unsustainable and go the way of the new52.
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The largest flaw in that line of thinking is that that want to gain a new audience rather than expand on the one they already have, and instead alienate longtime readers while failing to attract news in significant numbers. Thus this strategy is a net loss for the big two. Let's look at Bendis has done for Marvel and DC in the last decade; he created Miles Morales, Riri Williams, and Naomi because he wanted to create characters that resembled his adopted children. Hell, he went as far as to race swap Lightning Lad and Light/ning Lass in Legion of Super-Heroes and gave them two moms for no other reason other than "muh representation." All of it is superficial and about as deep as a puddle in the blistering July heat. It is never never about making characters people like and they will go out of their way to claim that their OC is the "bestest evar" as if that will make them worth a damn.

As you said, neither of the Big Two have a consistent vision and the over reliance on events (especially in Marvel's case) had been detrimental as there is really no status quo to speak of and no reason to get emotionally invested. In the case of DC, I had heard rumors that Dan DiDio and Geoff Johns had been at odds over Rebirth when the latter was still Chief Creative Officer as Johns wanted to bring back something closer to the classic DC fans loved while DiDio had his own agenda. To invoke LoSH again, Rebirth and Doomsday Clock heavily implied that the Retroboot Legion was returning, but Johns quit as CCO and got more involved with the film/television side of the company. If you look carefully at the panels of Doomsday Clock #12 after Dr. Manhattan "resets" the metaverse you will notice that the Silver Age Legion appears, and then the Bendis version later appears in a two-page splash with Superman and the Justice Society. I suspect that it was a last minute change to make it fit Bendis's run. HOWEVER, Bendis established that Superman didn't meet the Legion before they showed up at the foundation of the United Planets. So basically continuity means jack shit to DC and you have got to wonder what the editors were paid for before AT&T axed them.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
The largest flaw in that line of thinking is that that want to gain a new audience rather than expand on the one they already have, and instead alienate longtime readers while failing to attract news in significant numbers. Thus this strategy is a net loss for the big two. Let's look at Bendis has done for Marvel and DC in the last decade; he created Miles Morales, Riri Williams, and Naomi because he wanted to create characters that resembled his adopted children. Hell, he went as far as to race swap Lightning Lad and Light/ning Lass in Legion of Super-Heroes and gave them two moms for no other reason other than "muh representation." All of it is superficial and about as deep as a puddle in the blistering July heat. It is never never about making characters people like and they will go out of their way to claim that their OC is the "bestest evar" as if that will make them worth a damn.

As you said, neither of the Big Two have a consistent vision and the over reliance on events (especially in Marvel's case) had been detrimental as there is really no status quo to speak of and no reason to get emotionally invested. In the case of DC, I had heard rumors that Dan DiDio and Geoff Johns had been at odds over Rebirth when the latter was still Chief Creative Officer as Johns wanted to bring back something closer to the classic DC fans loved while DiDio had his own agenda. To invoke LoSH again, Rebirth and Doomsday Clock heavily implied that the Retroboot Legion was returning, but Johns quit as CCO and got more involved with the film/television side of the company. If you look carefully at the panels of Doomsday Clock #12 after Dr. Manhattan "resets" the metaverse you will notice that the Silver Age Legion appears, and then the Bendis version later appears in a two-page splash with Superman and the Justice Society. I suspect that it was a last minute change to make it fit Bendis's run. HOWEVER, Bendis established that Superman didn't meet the Legion before they showed up at the foundation of the United Planets. So basically continuity means jack shit to DC and you have got to wonder what the editors were paid for before AT&T axed them.
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you know I don't even care too much about the Lightning Lad/Lass shifts too much but wasn't it a huge plot point in the 70s that Black humans eventually secluded themselves onto a secret place on Earth?

Anyways what bugs me is that DC's pushing Naomi to the point where apparently there's a TV show in the works and we barely have stories with her. at least with the new Wodner Woman there's implied stuff and setup.

the new Batwoman's going to flop and they'll blame the fans for no reason again.
 
Czargon the Red said:
you know I don't even care too much about the Lightning Lad/Lass shifts too much but wasn't it a huge plot point in the 70s that Black humans eventually secluded themselves onto a secret place on Earth?
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The island of Marzal, which phased into and out of Earth's dimension every century or two. Tyroc was such a horrible stereotype that Mike Grell (the incumbent Legion artist at the time) gave him the most ridiculous costume design he could think of and Paul Levitz sidelined the character throughout his first run.

As for the race swapping of the Ranzz twins, it was--yet again--a last minute change that added nothing to the character. Hell, much of what had made the characters interesting had been stripped away. The origin was that Garth, Ayla, and their older brother Mekt crash landed on the planetoid, Korbal, and gained their powers when the lightning beasts there blasted them when they tried to trick the creatures into recharging their cruiser. Add to that every creature on their home planet of Winath gives birth to twins and "solo" births like Mekt's are rare so "solos" like him typically engage in deviant behavior--Mekt being unstable hated Garth and obsessed with making Ayla his "twin."

Does Bendis's origin even try to approach that? Not really. Something something about illegal immigrants and Garth is a wet blanket. I honestly couldn't be bothered to read into as Bendis' writing style is a slog to get through with too much dialogue and no real plot.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
The island of Marzal, which phased into and out of Earth's dimension every century or two. Tyroc was such a horrible stereotype that Mike Grell (the incumbent Legion artist at the time) gave him the most ridiculous costume design he could think of and Paul Levitz sidelined the character throughout his first run.

As for the race swapping of the Ranzz twins, it was--yet again--a last minute change that added nothing to the character. Hell, much of what had made the characters interesting had been stripped away. The origin was that Garth, Ayla, and their older brother Mekt crash landed on the planetoid, Korbal, and gained their powers when the lightning beasts there blasted them when they tried to trick the creatures into recharging their cruiser. Add to that every creature on their home planet of Winath gives birth to twins and "solo" births like Mekt's are rare so "solos" like him typically engage in deviant behavior--Mekt being unstable hated Garth and obsessed with making Ayla his "twin."

Does Bendis's origin even try to approach that? Not really. Something something about illegal immigrants and Garth is a wet blanket. I honestly couldn't be bothered to read into as Bendis' writing style is a slog to get through with too much dialogue and no real plot.
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bendis feels like a dollar tree joss whedon.
 
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I rarely use this world online, but Crime Does Not Pay redpilled me a lot about how criminals operate from all the way back to the 40’s and 50’s. They just don’t commit crimes because it’s fun while making cops do extra work to get the job done to find them – criminals are seriously a product of their own environment.

I think they recently made a commemoration style coffee book for this series almost a decade and a half ago, but I’m not so sure reception for this series would be well received if it came out in today’s “cancel culture” like world.
 
albert chan said:
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I rarely use this world online, but Crime Does Not Pay redpilled me a lot about how criminals operate from all the way back to the 40’s and 50’s. They just don’t commit crimes because it’s fun while making cops do extra work to get the job done to find them – criminals are seriously a product of their own environment.

I think they recently made a commemoration style coffee book for this series almost a decade and a half ago, but I’m not so sure reception for this series would be well received if it came out in today’s “cancel culture” like world.
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i binged all of this when i was like 10.

gud shit
 
albert chan said:
I think they recently made a commemoration style coffee book for this series almost a decade and a half ago, but I’m not so sure reception for this series would be well received if it came out in today’s “cancel culture” like world.
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Dark Horse did a huge series of reprints in their Archives series, and a lot of them are still in print. For a cheap introduction there's also a primer volume they put out with some of the book's greatest hits, under the terrific title BLACKJACKED AND PISTOL-WHIPPED.

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This stuff was a big precursor to the EC crime/war/horror comics of the fifties, and you're right that it holds up.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
If you look carefully at the panels of Doomsday Clock #12 after Dr. Manhattan "resets" the metaverse you will notice that the Silver Age Legion appears, and then the Bendis version later appears in a two-page splash with Superman and the Justice Society. I suspect that it was a last minute change to make it fit Bendis's run. HOWEVER, Bendis established that Superman didn't meet the Legion before they showed up at the foundation of the United Planets. So basically continuity means jack shit to DC and you have got to wonder what the editors were paid for before AT&T axed them.
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YEah, I also noticed that. The LOSH in DC #12 looked a lot different that the one Bendis had in LOSH #1. Plus there was a character named Soultaker using Katana's sword in DC 12 that never appeared in Bendis' run.

I get the feeling that part of the reason for all the delays in Doomsday Clock was because Bendis wanted to take over the LOSH and had to stagger the release dates of Clock to give Bendis more time to fuck up the LOSH
 
Last night I interviewed former Valiant CEO Dinesh Shamdasani about his new company Bad Idea Comics. He's brought over all the good talent from Valiant with him to make non-cape books. It's going to be pretty awesome. I haven't been this hype about comics-in-stores for a couple years:

 
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