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Lucifer's Rectum said:
100%. Imo having the age of heroes start with Superman is a must. There's no other real option tbh, like you said it just fits.

Thing is, it was Geoff Johns who brought Barry back right? He's what 48? That's on the younger side in the comics industry isn't it? At least compared to guys like Peter David and the like. Thing is Johns wasn't the only person that had a hand in it, most of the people that would have probably remember buying issues of Crisis when they were coming out.
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Dan Didio, Ethan Van Sciver, Bob Harras. Geoff may be the youngest of those people involved in Rebirth and he's just old enough to have read Barry's last adventures.
Lucifer's Rectum said:
I still haven't picked my jaw up off the floor with how bad Future State has been. I was tired before but DC has managed to make me not give a fuck about their entire line with this event, so that's fun. I'm really hoping for brighter days ahead but I think you're right that there won't be.
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feels man
 
Lucifer's Rectum said:
100%. Imo having the age of heroes start with Superman is a must. There's no other real option tbh, like you said it just fits.

Thing is, it was Geoff Johns who brought Barry back right? He's what 48? That's on the younger side in the comics industry isn't it? At least compared to guys like Peter David and the like. Thing is Johns wasn't the only person that had a hand in it, most of the people that would have probably remember buying issues of Crisis when they were coming out.

I still haven't picked my jaw up off the floor with how bad Future State has been. I was tired before but DC has managed to make me not give a fuck about their entire line with this event, so that's fun. I'm really hoping for brighter days ahead but I think you're right that there won't be.
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i think the post-crisis stuff where they did the JSA without Superman/Batman did work in an odd manner.
 
A new week of comics.

Quite a few indie highlights.

Cimmerian Daughter #3 came out. I daresay I preferred the BWS version to this, but its well enough done.

Wrong Earth is coming out. I remembered liking the last series when it was being published. But I thumbed through this one and maybe its me but the magic from the first run has seeped out in the interim.

I read Snake Eyes Deadgame #4. It's very Rob Liefeld and I'm stunned he actually might finish a project that he drew all of!

Anyone even bothering with Future State sodomizing DC's corpse?
 
jspit2.0 said:
Why can't DC just get this God damned concept. How hard is it. Clark Kent Superman, Bruce Wayne Batman and the JSA in the 40s to today. Generational heroes.
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Because Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman continued publication after the JSA's solo titles ended in 1949 with the team's adventures ending in 1952 though some diehards like Aquaman and Green Arrow held on. Once they had a changeover in audience, Julius Schwartz had the big-brained idea to bring back new versions of Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, and Atom with a sci-fi flavor. Then Gardner Fox wrote the "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, which birthed the multiverse the DC imploded twenty-five years later with Crisis on Infinite Earths. DC was exploring the generational heroes concept with Infinity Inc. pre-Crisis, but that was Earth-Two whereas Earth-One was designed to be the "modern" universe with the floating timeline.

Crisis ultimately created more problems than it solved despite the best of intentions. Instead of streamlining the DC universe, it created a knotted timeline that generations of writers have made worse to this day. In the case of Superman being the first superhero, merging the five remaining Earths (One/Two/Four/S/X) basically put the kibosh on that. Frankly, I don't the the need for Superman to be the "first" superhero; he needs to be the greatest, and whose deeds inspired others well into the Legion of Super-Heroes' time and beyond. (e.g. Justice Legion Alpha to the 853rd century.)

Lucifer's Rectum said:
It was pretty offensively bad tbh. As someone who grew up watching the DCAU shows and reading comics from around that era, Wally is my flash. He's who I grew up with and even now that I'm more familiar with Barry, I still prefer Wally. That story just hurt me. It goes against everything the Flash is supposed to be about, regardless of which Flash it is and that's sad.
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Future State: Flash is one of the most mean-spirited stories ever written because of Dan DiDio's spiteful hatred of legacy heroes (hence why the Teen Titans got the cannon fodder treatment) and I believe that his fingerprints are all over this despite his firing. Full disclosure: I lean towards Barry because I'm a Silve/Bronze Age nerd, but I grew up with Wally and loathe this story with every ounce of my being. Say what you want about Geoff Johns: he wrote a damn fine Wally run from 1999-2005 and I genuinely believe that he liked and respected the character. Hell, I don't think he would've placed Wally front and center during Rebirth if he hated the character. Similarly, Josh Williamson treated the character with due respect and even tried to "redeem" the character during the end of his run.

Barry, Wally, Jay--fuck I don't care which Flash takes center stage. As long as the story is engaging, I'll read it. Same thing with the dozen or so Earth-born Green Lanterns DC has flying around.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Crisis ultimately created more problems than it solved despite the best of intentions. Instead of streamlining the DC universe, it created a knotted timeline that generations of writers have made worse to this day.
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Marc Andreyko wrote probably the single funniest piece of metatextual humor in superhero comics when he had that defense attorney cross-examine Hawkman about his post-Crisis origin story.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Because Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman continued publication after the JSA's solo titles ended in 1949 with the team's adventures ending in 1952 though some diehards like Aquaman and Green Arrow held on. Once they had a changeover in audience, Julius Schwartz had the big-brained idea to bring back new versions of Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, and Atom with a sci-fi flavor. Then Gardner Fox wrote the "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, which birthed the multiverse the DC imploded twenty-five years later with Crisis on Infinite Earths. DC was exploring the generational heroes concept with Infinity Inc. pre-Crisis, but that was Earth-Two whereas Earth-One was designed to be the "modern" universe with the floating timeline.

Crisis ultimately created more problems than it solved despite the best of intentions. Instead of streamlining the DC universe, it created a knotted timeline that generations of writers have made worse to this day. In the case of Superman being the first superhero, merging the five remaining Earths (One/Two/Four/S/X) basically put the kibosh on that. Frankly, I don't the the need for Superman to be the "first" superhero; he needs to be the greatest, and whose deeds inspired others well into the Legion of Super-Heroes' time and beyond. (e.g. Justice Legion Alpha to the 853rd century.)


Future State: Flash is one of the most mean-spirited stories ever written because of Dan DiDio's spiteful hatred of legacy heroes (hence why the Teen Titans got the cannon fodder treatment) and I believe that his fingerprints are all over this despite his firing. Full disclosure: I lean towards Barry because I'm a Silve/Bronze Age nerd, but I grew up with Wally and loathe this story with every ounce of my being. Say what you want about Geoff Johns: he wrote a damn fine Wally run from 1999-2005 and I genuinely believe that he liked and respected the character. Hell, I don't think he would've placed Wally front and center during Rebirth if he hated the character. Similarly, Josh Williamson treated the character with due respect and even tried to "redeem" the character during the end of his run.

Barry, Wally, Jay--fuck I don't care which Flash takes center stage. As long as the story is engaging, I'll read it. Same thing with the dozen or so Earth-born Green Lanterns DC has flying around.
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yeah i think the golden age being like it was in the early 2000s was fine. let hippolyta be the ww2 wondy.

Superman's biggest thing is that he was always the present generation's greatest hero. The majority of the WW2 era heroes are locked in that era (most of the non-JSA ones) or just wind up needing to fulfill the role of the legacy starters (JSA). Aside from Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, GA/Speedy, the only other hero I can think of that survived between the golden and silver ages and can be transplanted to present settings is Plastic Man.

Sure he's golden age and they've never NOT gone back on him being a golden age hero, even presently. It's kinda funny thinking about this. I don't get the disrespect people have for him when he's basically an immortal trickster-type hero with decades of experience and who survived billions of years.

If anything, I'd be fucking terrified of someone like that who was connected to not only the big hero teams and legacies, but also the fucking American Government. They've always seemed to leave it up to interpretation exactly how old he is.

anyways even gail simone couldn't totally fuck up writing him it seems.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Because Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman continued publication after the JSA's solo titles ended in 1949 with the team's adventures ending in 1952 though some diehards like Aquaman and Green Arrow held on. Once they had a changeover in audience, Julius Schwartz had the big-brained idea to bring back new versions of Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, and Atom with a sci-fi flavor. Then Gardner Fox wrote the "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, which birthed the multiverse the DC imploded twenty-five years later with Crisis on Infinite Earths. DC was exploring the generational heroes concept with Infinity Inc. pre-Crisis, but that was Earth-Two whereas Earth-One was designed to be the "modern" universe with the floating timeline.

Crisis ultimately created more problems than it solved despite the best of intentions. Instead of streamlining the DC universe, it created a knotted timeline that generations of writers have made worse to this day. In the case of Superman being the first superhero, merging the five remaining Earths (One/Two/Four/S/X) basically put the kibosh on that. Frankly, I don't the the need for Superman to be the "first" superhero; he needs to be the greatest, and whose deeds inspired others well into the Legion of Super-Heroes' time and beyond. (e.g. Justice Legion Alpha to the 853rd century.)


Future State: Flash is one of the most mean-spirited stories ever written because of Dan DiDio's spiteful hatred of legacy heroes (hence why the Teen Titans got the cannon fodder treatment) and I believe that his fingerprints are all over this despite his firing. Full disclosure: I lean towards Barry because I'm a Silve/Bronze Age nerd, but I grew up with Wally and loathe this story with every ounce of my being. Say what you want about Geoff Johns: he wrote a damn fine Wally run from 1999-2005 and I genuinely believe that he liked and respected the character. Hell, I don't think he would've placed Wally front and center during Rebirth if he hated the character. Similarly, Josh Williamson treated the character with due respect and even tried to "redeem" the character during the end of his run.

Barry, Wally, Jay--fuck I don't care which Flash takes center stage. As long as the story is engaging, I'll read it. Same thing with the dozen or so Earth-born Green Lanterns DC has flying around.
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I think Crisis worked for the most part. It ironed out so much convoluted stuff like Black Canary's origin...but then other writers went nuts with Hawkman and the LOSH, which ended up necessitating Zero Hour....and then Infinite Crisis came and undid the "Power Girl is not Earth 2 Supergirl, but is from Atlantis instead" back to "Karen is Earth 2 Supergirl!". I still have no idea what Final Crisis accomplished, and the less said about FlashPoint the better...

By the time I got into comics, Barry died in Crisis along with Kara, so Wally was "my" Flash. I really got into him on Waid's run and continued when Johns took the reins.
 
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lmfao "Kid Spectrum"

god damn Marvel just keep giving us these L's
 
Water-T said:
By the time I got into comics, Barry died in Crisis along with Kara, so Wally was "my" Flash. I really got into him on Waid's run and continued when Johns took the reins.
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I'm a bit of an oddball in that my first exposure to the DC universe were the Silver Age comics, which were my mom's old comics. So I grew up believing Kara was always Supergirl and the Matrix/Linda Danvers version confused me at first until I caught up with DC lore via the nascent internet. My mom only had a single issue of Flash so I was mostly exposed to Wally when I started buying my own comics and would have been fine with Barry staying in the Speed Force, but oh boy, Infinite Crisis did a number of the Flash family. They pushed out of the Wally out the way to force Bart into the role, and Odin Almighty DC derailed Bart's character badly. To be frank, I liked Bart better than Wally because was he was a happy-go-lucky character whose impulse personality I found charming. His post-IC was a complete 180 before they killed him off. While Wally returned shortly thereafter, his relaunch was a disaster because Waid's feud with DiDio...

...one has got to wonder if DiDio simply hates the Flash family.

Pre-IC DC was probably the company's high point, specifically before they (unnecessarily) rebooted the Legion because Waid didn't want to deal with continuity despite supposedly being a stickler for it.
 
I gave Al Ewing praise for keeping the radical politics to a minimum in Immortal Hulk. The very next issue, the Hulk is drawn out of hiding by two cops chasing a black kid down a New York street and beating him up in broad daylight because he's wearing a Hulk hoodie.

Maybe it was because I was sperging on that, that I skimmed over the 'jewery' thing that the artist is being canceled for. :story:

X Pac Heat said:
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lmfao "Kid Spectrum"

god damn Marvel just keep giving us these L's
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You'd think that a new character carrying on the Spectrum name, at current year Marvel, would be all about the rainbow.
 
Newman's Lovechild said:
I gave Al Ewing praise for keeping the radical politics to a minimum in Immortal Hulk. The very next issue, the Hulk is drawn out of hiding by two cops chasing a black kid down a New York street and beating him up in broad daylight because he's wearing a Hulk hoodie.

Maybe it was because I was sperging on that, that I skimmed over the 'jewery' thing that the artist is being canceled for. :story:



You'd think that a new character carrying on the Spectrum name, at current year Marvel, would be all about the rainbow.
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what happened to the Nova Corps?
 
Lucifer's Rectum said:
Looks like it, yeah. Damn, I haven't thought of the Squadron Supreme since I read Exiles back in the day.
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yeah, Marvel kinda made another iteration of the Squadron Supreme now and it's sort of background stuff in the Avengers book.

This is really funny because the Hyperion from the Secret Wars era is still alive and the Classic Defenders Nighthawk is still around. As well as the post-Secret Wars Squadron Supreme members from 2015-16ish.
 
Crossed is over and done with, has been for a while now. Avatar Press seems to be about 98 percent dead in the wake of COVID. They've solicited an issue or two of porn shit through their Boundless imprint, but that's all they've tried to get out since the pandemic. Otherwise they're down to flogging their enormous back catalog of overpriced variant covers.

I wouldn't care except that I'd kinda like to see how Uber Invasion was supposed to finally end.
 
kaien said:
Crossed is over and done with, has been for a while now. Avatar Press seems to be about 98 percent dead in the wake of COVID. They've solicited an issue or two of porn shit through their Boundless imprint, but that's all they've tried to get out since the pandemic. Otherwise they're down to flogging their enormous back catalog of overpriced variant covers.

I wouldn't care except that I'd kinda like to see how Uber Invasion was supposed to finally end.
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Uber just lost focus imho and it completely glossed over some of the operational theatres like Italy where the axis still held somewhat.

Crossed keeps popping up on /k/ because some retards keeps asking how to survive in that scenario.
He gets shat on on the regular because they all call him a deranged edgelord.
Also like Dylan dog it overuses the "Humans are the real monsters hurr durr" meanwhile the authors indulge in their fantasies, biases and most importantly fetishes.

Also sandman is for wankers
 
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