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DeadwastePrime said:
say sike right now
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Look at this garbage art. Penciller can’t even draw the feet like good ol Rob Liefeld. But at least Rob had 90s cheese with his comics.
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Dr. Pasquale said:
What are your thoughts on the new Ultimate Universe ending?
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It never really got started. Spider-Man was probably the only good one (not good now) but every series felt like filler issues where nothing was happening. You're just waiting for the Maker to show up while characters sit around doing nothing of importance. The Ultimates do DEI hiring (you know they're screwed when they have to use jails and recruit criminals) instead of coming up with any plan (except for Tony becoming Kang but that's barely moving anywhere). So what now, the Maker nukes everyone and starts over in yet another universe? The most interesting character was Doom Reed (that issue of his origin/despair was the best Ultimates issue) and they keep/kept sidelining him for nobodies like DEI Hawkeye and America Chavez.
Kulee Baba said:
Absolute Batman and “The Batman Who Laughs” is fucking garbage.
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Agreed. The Absolute Universe is exactly like the new Ultimate Universe - stale and nothing is happening. The Batman Who Laughs/Dark Multiverse era was terrible as well. At this point I'm only reading comics (always pirating) to see how much worse they can get and how much money and time is wasted on them.
 
Kulee Baba said:
Look at this garbage art. Penciller can’t even draw the feet like good ol Rob Liefeld. But at least Rob had 90s cheese with his comics.
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Its not a bad pin-up. Nice Sean Gordon Murphy-derivative style. The lack of background sucks, and the mallet handle is way too small for Batman's massive hands. The costume design is shit, as well. But I think boring or static looking art is worse than a tryhard with an exaggerated style.
 
I really hate the trend in comics of “talking” down supervillains who’ve been at it for twenty fucking years or more in-universe.

No, they deserve to have their skull cracked, the PKJ Superman was really bad for that, with Supes talking down and helping Metallo, even though John literally killed one of the few prison guards who was nice to him. Every one of these hack writers wants so badly for their run to be endlessly reprinted so they’re all trying to be “deep” with their room-temperature IQ and sissy politics.

Same with Killer Croc, hit him you stupid pig he eats people! I think that anytime they try to make him anything more than a dumb animal.
 
Kulee Baba said:
Look at this garbage art. Penciller can’t even draw the feet like good ol Rob Liefeld. But at least Rob had 90s cheese with his comics.
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I don't know if this is just my autism, but when the Ultimate universe got started in the early 2000s I never really read it more than a couple issues because I've always felt like anything differing from the "mainline" universe in Marvel or DC just feels like officially sanctioned fanfiction. And when Batman looks this ridiculous, that confirms my feelings even more. That doesn't mean alternate universes or stories set in them can't be fun, but I'll never take them as seriously as the mainline stuff. Is there even an Absolute Superman? Or Wonder Woman? Or Flash or Green Lantern? All I see is Absolute Batman so if those do exist DC's done a terrible job of advertising them.
 
Dan of Steel said:
Is there even an Absolute Superman? Or Wonder Woman? Or Flash or Green Lantern? All I see is Absolute Batman so if those do exist DC's done a terrible job of advertising them.
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Yes to all of the above. I love how the official reviewers that deal with comics (those who still exist) gush about how good Absolute X is, and then you skim a little and realize they're worse than the average Spawn issue from the 90s.
 
Dan of Steel said:
I don't know if this is just my autism, but when the Ultimate universe got started in the early 2000s I never really read it more than a couple issues because I've always felt like anything differing from the "mainline" universe in Marvel or DC just feels like officially sanctioned fanfiction. And when Batman looks this ridiculous, that confirms my feelings even more. That doesn't mean alternate universes or stories set in them can't be fun, but I'll never take them as seriously as the mainline stuff. Is there even an Absolute Superman? Or Wonder Woman? Or Flash or Green Lantern? All I see is Absolute Batman so if those do exist DC's done a terrible job of advertising them.
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They exist. Absolute Batman is probably the one that's been naturally talked about the most just based on how different it is compared to normal Batman, visually and all that.

Honestly, based solely on premise alone, Absolute Wonder Woman seems dope as all hell.
 
I remember the theories for Absolute Superman being better than the actual thing.

Like him being a revisit of the ideas of Tim Burton Superman, him potentially hosting Eradicator Venom-style (90s Return hair+that energy cape and effects+broody) or him being Superman Red, separated from his Blue.
 
Old King Koaleamos said:
They exist. Absolute Batman is probably the one that's been naturally talked about the most just based on how different it is compared to normal Batman, visually and all that.

Honestly, based solely on premise alone, Absolute Wonder Woman seems dope as all hell.
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I'll give DC this, they were actually able to give WW a successful secondary title.
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
I'll give DC this, they were actually able to give WW a successful secondary title.
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I kinda hope we get Absolute Wondy being swapped in more. The premise is interesting and puts her into a pseudo- S&S situation.

Absolute Batman is. . . probably the most famous one because of all the drastic changes the readers get to see to the characters as a whole, right away. Absolute Superman is intriguing. Absolute Flash feels like it's going to wind up being polarizing.

Kinda wonder what Absolute Shazam will be.
 
Old King Koaleamos said:
I kinda hope we get Absolute Wondy being swapped in more. The premise is interesting and puts her into a pseudo- S&S situation.

Absolute Batman is. . . probably the most famous one because of all the drastic changes the readers get to see to the characters as a whole, right away. Absolute Superman is intriguing. Absolute Flash feels like it's going to wind up being polarizing.

Kinda wonder what Absolute Shazam will be.
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I really like the look of Absolute Hawkman. The mummy motif works so well with the Egyptian heritage of the character.
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Dan of Steel said:
I don't know if this is just my autism, but when the Ultimate universe got started in the early 2000s I never really read it more than a couple issues because I've always felt like anything differing from the "mainline" universe in Marvel or DC just feels like officially sanctioned fanfiction. And when Batman looks this ridiculous, that confirms my feelings even more. That doesn't mean alternate universes or stories set in them can't be fun, but I'll never take them as seriously as the mainline stuff.
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I like alt universes because you can do different things with the characters that wouldn't be tolerated in the mainline. There's an Ultimate X-Men story in which one kid's power is that he vaporizes anyone within a certain distance of him, which obliterated his hometown. So Wolverine kills him to save people, but also because if it got out that there was a mutant that could do this, it could cause mutant rights to go to shit. And All Star Superman told the story of a Superman who knew he was about to die.

The problem is they tend to fall apart quickly or end up fizzling out. I liked the Earth One GNs for Superman and Batman, but both only had three entries. The Ultimate verse had a lot of problems with conflicting views of the characters and writers trying to be super edgy. And do not get me started on the failure that was the New 52.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
I like alt universes because you can do different things with the characters that wouldn't be tolerated in the mainline. There's an Ultimate X-Men story in which one kid's power is that he vaporizes anyone within a certain distance of him, which obliterated his hometown. So Wolverine kills him to save people, but also because if it got out that there was a mutant that could do this, it could cause mutant rights to go to shit. And All Star Superman told the story of a Superman who knew he was about to die.

The problem is they tend to fall apart quickly or end up fizzling out. I liked the Earth One GNs for Superman and Batman, but both only had three entries. The Ultimate verse had a lot of problems with conflicting views of the characters and writers trying to be super edgy. And do not get me started on the failure that was the New 52.
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These alternate universes are usually brainchildren of specific writers. The original Ultimate Universe ran for so damn long and felt like a weird anomaly. I remember hearing the Earth One books were good for a hot minute, and then got into production hell?

Aside from this, we've not had too many successful long-running alternative universes. I know Marvel tried to make the Squadron Supreme stuff into its own seperate thing, but I honestly don't think I cared too much aside from that one famous pre-Watchmen miniseries. We also had the New Universe stuff that was shafted.

However, back in the day, multiverse-spanning series at least had some popularity. Marvel's Exiles was a good read. I remember DC attempting something around the aftermath of Infinite Crisis in which the Kingdom Come Superman showed up in the JSA book. We also had the Tangent Universe stuff that. . . was a neat experiment for a hot minute. And the "Stan Lee DC Universe" too.

The issue I have is that we just don't do anything. I'd even take a "Showcase Presents" angle with all this shit and put it in there. The New Ultimate universe and Absolute Universe shit is 100% going to eventually be relegated to memberberries.
 
Old King Koaleamos said:
Marvel's Exiles was a good read. I remember DC attempting something around the aftermath of Infinite Crisis in which the Kingdom Come Superman showed up in the JSA book. We also had the Tangent Universe stuff that. . . was a neat experiment for a hot minute. And the "Stan Lee DC Universe" too.

The issue I have is that we just don't do anything. I'd even take a "Showcase Presents" angle with all this shit and put it in there. The New Ultimate universe and Absolute Universe shit is 100% going to eventually be relegated to memberberries.
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The difference between what you mentioned in the first paragraph and what you mentioned in the second paragraph are that the first paragraph stories at least stood on their own as at least readable, okay to good (depends on reader, I agree with everything you said) stories that you could tell were made with some amount of care. The second paragraph stories aren't here to tell a good story, so it all ends up looking like they're writing because they need money. It also helps that the first paragraph's stories are a lot shorter and less connected with "current event that's going on" like DC K.O. (who even cares about this beyond the Absolute Trinity spoiler?) or the current "big theme" of something like All In (that I'm sure people and writers will forget about like Infinite Frontier). They can't have good standalone stories anymore, everything has to tie back to a bad event or it just sucks like anything going on in the current Elseworlds line.
Onto Marvel, I said it before but the only good one was Ultimate Spider-Man, because it stands on its own, only having an origin basis in the current events of the Ultimate Universe, and then does its own thing pretty well. It's inherently tied to the "current event" but you could also read it on its own without needing too much context beyond "what if Peter got his powers when he was already an adult" and general stuff about the universe (i.e. Maker interference). Everything else is either too confusing, boring, or tied down by their connection to the universe. Bear in mind that a story standing on its own doesn't make it inherently good, there was that ridiculous Spider-Punk story with him versus a Norman Osborn that was bad, and whatever they want to do with astroturfing Spider-Gwen again for the 10th time, the story has to be objectively interesting enough and stay interesting enough without distractions to actually be good.
 
I have my stable of characters whose exploits I follow even though they aren’t main characters and that sometimes necessitates reading dogshit. So imagine how I felt upon learning that Hank “Tank” Henshaw and Eradicator were going against the Question, specifically the salsa version
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I don’t know why the drew him that way in the last page but for an android, buddy is looking pretty excited to be in his situation. That’s literally the happiest I’ve ever seen him drawn.
 
Humble Architect said:
I have my stable of characters whose exploits I follow even though they aren’t main characters and that sometimes necessitates reading dogshit. So imagine how I felt upon learning that Hank “Tank” Henshaw and Eradicator were going against the Question, specifically the salsa version
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I don’t know why the drew him that way in the last page but for an android, buddy is looking pretty excited to be in his situation. That’s literally the happiest I’ve ever seen him drawn.
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How was the book?
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
How was the book?
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Terrible, Question and Bat-dyke solo two Supermen and an entire mind-controlled Justice League.

It’s “Question: All Along the Watchtower,” Ted Kord gets some spotlight so I can’t be mad about that and the League’s management-style for the Watchtower is pretty funny.

Would’ve been fine, not good , but fine if it was just Eradicator or just Cyborg Superman but both is just showing how totally capable lesbians are. Hank and Eradicator are funny though, one’s insane and the other just wants his paycheck (I think Hank was holding the data from the Superman pod over his head) anyway, they’re jerks and it’s charming, especially Eradicator mocking Hank’s increasing loss of control.
 
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