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Scarlett Johansson said:
Jimenez omnibus was great. It includes the 2005 Donna Troy return mini. Villany Inc seems to have just disappeared except I know Giganta showed up in current continuity idk about clea, jinx, etc

Found out they had a Phoenix comic that showed an alternate to her surviving the Dark Phoenix Saga. There's a dialogue between the writers. I originally thought it was Shooter they blamed but nope. Roger Stern apparently.
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I might have to pick up that Jimenez omni, that entire era of DC is like nostalgic crack for me along with Geoff Johns' The Flash, Young Justice, JLA, etc.
 
PrettySneakyCis said:
OWaW came out during my most intense period of comic book fandom and I ate that shit up. If I'm not mistaken, it gave us our first instance of Superman doing his temporary level up to his golden state by flying into the sun. It also had that issue with the Human Bomb which was narrated with letters being sent home to the families of soldiers who had died in the conflict. Maxima stayed dead till the nu52, but she was brought back as a lesbian and an antagonist, iirc. I'm not sure if that's been reversed. Other notable deaths included Hippolyta and Lois's dad, who suicided in a nuclear tank on the White House lawn so Black Lightning could redirect the blast into a focused energy beam that melted an Imperiex drone. Oh, and Aquaman "died" fighting one in pretty metal moment, leading to the whole Obsidian Age arc later.

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The memorial epilogue issue was neat, I liked the JSA playing a round of poker while waiting for Hippolyta's funeral to start, as "they were getting ready to say goodbye to their girl". At this point, the retcon of Hippolyta being the golden age WW was in swing and actually turned out to be pretty good.

10/10 issue. Lots of deaths. There was even some meta-commentary on the deaths of minor characters who'd never be remembered, like Strange Visitor. But I did enjoy how it spread across every generation of DC's heroes. Sam Lane's death was great. Aquaman's fake-out death was pretty good too (Guy Gardner's too, lmao). Maxima, Strange Visitor, and a few others that I only vaguely recall were interesting.

The end of the issue's "return" of the "presumed dead" like the Kents and Young Justice was nicely timed and paced. I'm surprised the OWaW event isn't enjoyed by more people. It's a clusterfuck, grand in scale, and limited to a strange and forgotten-ish era of DC, but I found it to be a guilty pleasure.

Also, the image of Morrison's JLA standing tall as the primary defense force against Imperiex was thematically cool. I vaguely recall Kyle realizing that the presence of just one GL meant so much.

Fun event. Don't think we'll get anything like it in that way. The Imperiex "Drones" were big tough fucking things. Modern events have a OWaW-level event every 6 months and it's tiring.
 
Old King Koaleamos said:
also integrates her into the world a bit more, which is neat since DC seems to have a heavier draw on Greek myth compared to Marvel.
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People online have been complaining about DC restoring her as the Golden Age WW because 'its makes Diana a legacy character when she isn't' forgetting that Hippolyta has a been around as a character in myth for 2000+ years.

I hope she shows up in the JSA Year One arc in Lemire's JSA.
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
People online have been complaining about DC restoring her as the Golden Age WW because 'its makes Diana a legacy character when she isn't' forgetting that Hippolyta has a been around as a character in myth for 2000+ years.

I hope she shows up in the JSA Year One arc in Lemire's JSA.
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I'm still mad they killed Wildcat off. I haven't read it since that issue.

Also, Wondy is an odd duck because she's her own legacy character AND a thread to classic myth. There's a fair number of heroes that are like this, but she's one of the more well-known and I think it's a shame we just don't get more Sword & Sorcery WW stories.

I mean they had her team up with Beowulf, Fafhrd & The Grey Mouser, and god knows who else in the past.
 
Dan of Steel said:
I might have to pick up that Jimenez omni, that entire era of DC is like nostalgic crack for me along with Geoff Johns' The Flash, Young Justice, JLA, etc.
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Its great. Not too short not too long and there's bonus stuff.

Wait I thought Wildcat was alive. Iirc he's babysitting some hero? I thought he was watching Khalid. I probably have my timeline wrong.
 
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Scarlett Johansson said:
Wait I thought Wildcat was alive. Iirc he's babysitting some hero? I thought he was watching Khalid. I probably have my timeline wrong.
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He died like four months ago. I think Lemires JSA is ok with the flashback issue in #8 being the best because its just the JSA at the tail end of the war.

Though I don't really think I've really loved a Jeff Lemire book because he has always been a just ok writer to me.
 
Going through End of Greys. I still think it was a stupid idea. Did the Shi'ar ever face actual consequences or.....
 
I really wish Marvel could streamline their demons and the lore around them because we have stuff like Son of Satan being the kid of a random demon and not Mephisto.
 
I feel like there's something off about both the current Ultimate Marvel line and the Absolute DC line. Both of them want a world that's clearly different from their mainline worlds (which are already barely similar to real life), but at the same time they want to tell some stupid moral about the real world, the typical "fight the power guys! we're the resistance!" stuff. I just want to read a good, interesting story. Can they do that and not write a lesson into it? With Ultimate Marvel you had that "well actually you can totally reform racists through meditating, plus there's a cabal of secret elites running the world that we need to stop" and Absolute DC's Superman series right now is clearly going on about "oh no the poor downtrodden nobodies are being oppressed by the police and we need someone to stop them." Like damn, can you write a story instead of writing a bad moral?

Edit: And you know that for the "lessons" they're talking about, they totally mean that the politics they support aren't also the ones who are doing exactly what they want to teach a "lesson" about.
 
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TheOtherOne said:
I feel like there's something off about both the current Ultimate Marvel line and the Absolute DC line. Both of them want a world that's clearly different from their mainline worlds (which are already barely similar to real life), but at the same time they want to tell some stupid moral about the real world, the typical "fight the power guys! we're the resistance!" stuff. I just want to read a good, interesting story. Can they do that and not write a lesson into it? With Ultimate Marvel you had that "well actually you can totally reform racists through meditating, plus there's a cabal of secret elites running the world that we need to stop" and Absolute DC's Superman series right now is clearly going on about "oh no the poor downtrodden nobodies are being oppressed by the police and we need someone to stop them." Like damn, can you write a story instead of writing a bad moral?

Edit: And you know that for the "lessons" they're talking about, they totally mean that the politics they support aren't also the ones who are doing exactly what they want to teach a "lesson" about.
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I'm surprised the Ultimate line still has any juice, I'd be curious about what the sales are on it. Like maybe people buy Ultimate because they have Nostalgia for early 00s Ultimate Spider-Man, but the original era of Ultimate Marvel I felt like left a bad taste in everyone's mouth with how much of an edgy, bloated clusterfuck Ultimatum was.
 
TheOtherOne said:
I feel like there's something off about both the current Ultimate Marvel line and the Absolute DC line. Both of them want a world that's clearly different from their mainline worlds (which are already barely similar to real life), but at the same time they want to tell some stupid moral about the real world, the typical "fight the power guys! we're the resistance!" stuff. I just want to read a good, interesting story. Can they do that and not write a lesson into it? With Ultimate Marvel you had that "well actually you can totally reform racists through meditating, plus there's a cabal of secret elites running the world that we need to stop" and Absolute DC's Superman series right now is clearly going on about "oh no the poor downtrodden nobodies are being oppressed by the police and we need someone to stop them." Like damn, can you write a story instead of writing a bad moral?

Edit: And you know that for the "lessons" they're talking about, they totally mean that the politics they support aren't also the ones who are doing exactly what they want to teach a "lesson" about.
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No, no they cannot. The rule of "Story first, politics second" can no longer apply because they need to have their politics front and center because they're convinced if they don't, then the Democrats will lose even harder. And if they're stunted emotionally, so they can't come up with new stories that don't just recycle things they've already seen, or take heavily from what's going on currently.

And the people who can write that way got shitcanned for not going along with the program.
 
So the assassins that killed the Grey family were killed in 2011 or whatever. Thank christ. I never read End of Greys when it was first published but wow its horrifying. It is one of the most violent events I've seen. What was the reaction when it originally came out?

I wonder why Jean's family hasnt reappeared on Krakoa. Makes you wonder.

Going through Phoenix arc. The storyline with Storm and the Morlocks is great. Fuck Calliban though. Amazing how Angel only brought the incident up once in the not-Excalibur Excalibur run. I also like the Japan arc with Rogue joining and finally being approved by the team (Storm and Kitty are rude af to her though in the beginning), Storm discovering her wild side and letting it all out, Logan and Mariko Wedding, There's Something About Madelyne Pryor, and the Viper/Silver Samurai fight. I despise the Kitty Pitor relationship it creeps me out. Rachel hasn't shown up just yet.
 
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Does anyone else have a niche run/obscure era of a popular character that nobody else gives a fuck about but you really like? I have quite a few but one that stands out to me is the mid-90s Deodato/Peter Milligan era of Elektra:
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To me when I think of Elektra in my head this is the version I think of. I know the Miller/Sienkiewicz run is better, and the Bendis run people know more about, but when I want to read Elektra this is what I go for. It's fun, and the big hair + red bandana look IMO looks better than the skullcap and makes her look more like a street ninja assassin lady.
I think why it's probably not remembered is that mid-90s bankruptcy Marvel in general is not remembered fondly for good reason, and the mid-late 90s in general were inundated with Bad Girl comics, which this run is definitely going for. But I have a soft spot for a lot of 90s Bad Girl comics since I like the sheer pulpiness of them, and this Elektra run is definitely fun to read and worth checking out if you can find the TPB for it which is out of print.
 
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