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DC has finished the current run of The Outsiders, a main-universe attempt at Planetary. In it, a gender-swapped Drummer leads Luke Fox and Kate Kane through shit like meeting Century Baby Jenny Quark (I think? I can't remember surname) and finding a Carrier(possibly the one from the Authority). By the end it's revealed this isn't a DC universe version of the Drummer, but instead Jakita Wagner from Planetary. She's exceedingly light-skinned, so maybe she is from this universe? I dunno. Zauriel makes an appearance. First instance of DC whitewashing a brown character in the modern era if it's the original.
 
The talk of Neal Adams up-thread reminded me of his one shot for Pacific Comics, back in the 1980s, which had been a comic shop whose owners moved into comics distribution and then publishing in the 1980s, but folded by 1984.

You know, technically, there was nothing really wrong artwise with this notorious one-shot, Skateman, but it does sort of break the goofy meter a bit. It comes off like someone trying to be topical in "How do you do, fellow young people of today" sort of way, with lines like "What the shit do you care, pigmeat?" The dialogue borders on Ed Wood-ian at times.

A Vietnam vet and martial artist became a roller derby star but lost everything after he was blamed for an on track tragedy. While he gets over his PTSD by drinking a lot, he lives with his girlfriend and has a scrappy Mexican kid he takes under his wing, until his girlfriend is killed and he is thus inspired to put a gay-looking scarf on over his head and assume the identity of Skateman, champion of migrant workers, who uses his roller skating, skateboarding and martial art skills to beat up biker gang members and drug dealers.

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DC has finished the current run of The Outsiders, a main-universe attempt at Planetary. In it, a gender-swapped Drummer leads Luke Fox and Kate Kane through shit like meeting Century Baby Jenny Quark (I think? I can't remember surname) and finding a Carrier(possibly the one from the Authority). By the end it's revealed this isn't a DC universe version of the Drummer, but instead Jakita Wagner from Planetary. She's exceedingly light-skinned, so maybe she is from this universe? I dunno. Zauriel makes an appearance. First instance of DC whitewashing a brown character in the modern era if it's the original.
it seemed to die too fast.

I honestly don't know why they thought Batwoman would be that much of a draw. I'd honestly have put Jason, Tim, Cassandra, or even Barbara into this alongside Batwoman.

Given the "revival" of the JSA and whatnot, this coulda been fun to try and tie.
The talk of Neal Adams up-thread reminded me of his one shot for Pacific Comics, back in the 1980s, which had been a comic shop whose owners moved into comics distribution and then publishing in the 1980s, but folded by 1984.

You know, technically, there was nothing really wrong artwise with this notorious one-shot, Skateman, but it does sort of break the goofy meter a bit. It comes off like someone trying to be topical in "How do you do, fellow young people of today" sort of way, with lines like "What the shit do you care, pigmeat?" The dialogue borders on Ed Wood-ian at times.

A Vietnam vet and martial artist became a roller derby star but lost everything after he was blamed for an on track tragedy. While he gets over his PTSD by drinking a lot, he lives with his girlfriend and has a scrappy Mexican kid he takes under his wing, until his girlfriend is killed and he is thus inspired to put a gay-looking scarf on over his head and assume the identity of Skateman, champion of migrant workers, who uses his roller skating, skateboarding and martial art skills to beat up biker gang members and drug dealers.

honestly, we need shit like this because it's entertaining. like, yah it's out of touch, but it's clearly a fun time.
now edit this to show riri williams on the left.
 
I can't speak to Dan Juurgens best runs because I have yet to read them. Give me a reccomendation from Juurgens that you find interesting and I'll give it a read.
First off, I misspelled Jurgens in my initial post, and now I've gotten you to misspell it too, so I feel like a retard that's spread his misspelling AIDS around the thread.

As for Jurgens, his tenure on Thor is essentially all 79 issues of Thor (Vol 2) from 1998 to 2004. I believe it was the first major new storyline with Thor since the whole "Heroes Reborn" media venture that flopped with the Image creators. It features a number of notable narrative elements, such as a female Thor working in tandem with the current one, a major villain called Desak the Destroyer of the Gods (a "God Butcher", if you will) and a Thor that assumes the mantle of king wherein the story follows his long reign, growth into a weathered and battered warrior, makes a wealth of morally compromising mistakes, and engages in familial drama with his own son.

If all of that sounds vaguely familiar, it should--it's essentially everything Jason Aaron stole. The only difference is that Jurgens did it without breaking continuity in half, writing half the Asgardians out of character, and pinching out dialogue on the same level as some edgelord on Deviantart writing the first bio of his first Sonic OC.

Now Jurgens' run lacks the pacing of Simonson's run, or some of the nuances of Straczynski's, and takes a while to get going, but it has aged extremely well in comparison to a lot of the more modern takes on the character and Asgardian mythos--certainly better than the likes of Gillen, Aaron, or Fraction.

Mind you; I don't like a lot of the new shit, but I don't have the heart to say it's all trash. I like some of the ideas of the new stuff, execution tends to be shit tho.
I don't think every single one of the new Marvel comics are complete garbage, either--or at least, only possessing ideas and concepts devoid of merit. What I will say is that because of the company's insistence to keep a lot of the same talentless panel-monkeys on characters for sometimes decades at a time, the irreparable damage to many books is hard to ignore. In some cases, some characters have yet to return to prominence at all.

I mean, fuck, I can't even remember the last time Captain America had a good flagship book. Or when the Punisher wasn't being written into the dirt. And the less said about the X-Books, the better.
 
Remender's X-force is the last X-book that everybody seemed to love
I mean...2011 is around the time Marvel comics started to make its swandive (which it would complete the following year), so it would make sense that the last gasp of anything decent by anyone, Remender included.

I also remember there being some hubbub about Old Man Logan, but by the time that came out, I was already sick to death of the X-Books' preoccupation with tired Wolverine Wank-A-Thons, which were an oversubscribed market for X-Men media by that point.
 
All this talks of Dan Jurgens and all I gotta say is, he’s the greatest Superman writer, it’s not that bald retard, it isn’t Tomasi and it isn’t Johns.

Jurgens and the rest of the Triangle writers masterfully executed the Man of Steel’s last great era.
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This is the greatest comic book fight ever depicted, everybody shits on Doomsday for being a mindless animal and that’s the fucking point, it’s an enemy only Superman could fight, an excuse to cut loose, because nobody else could stop this creature, it’s Superman’s minotaur, kraken, nemean lion that thing he had to kill.

Lex may be Superman’s nemesis but Doomsday is the monster he slew, granted the creature should’ve stayed dead but that’s besides the point.

Jurgens also showed that he was still top dog without the Triangle team, Lois and Clark expertly reintroduced the Superman people actually liked and his Action Comics during Rebirth balanced out the family drama of the main series with sci-fi adventures and guest appearances. The “Booster Shot” storyline in particular was my favorite.
 
I mean...2011 is around the time Marvel comics started to make its swandive (which it would complete the following year), so it would make sense that the last gasp of anything decent by anyone, Remender included.

I also remember there being some hubbub about Old Man Logan, but by the time that came out, I was already sick to death of the X-Books' preoccupation with tired Wolverine Wank-A-Thons, which were an oversubscribed market for X-Men media by that point.

Old Man Logan was a nice idea, but I was just tired of all the retarded bullshit.

Marvel was really fucked by a combo of the Disney v Fox feud, shite editors, and just alienating good creators like remender.

All this talks of Dan Jurgens and all I gotta say is, he’s the greatest Superman writer, it’s not that bald retard, it isn’t Tomasi and it isn’t Johns.

Jurgens and the rest of the Triangle writers masterfully executed the Man of Steel’s last great era.
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This is the greatest comic book fight ever depicted, everybody shits on Doomsday for being a mindless animal and that’s the fucking point, it’s an enemy only Superman could fight, an excuse to cut loose, because nobody else could stop this creature, it’s Superman’s minotaur, kraken, nemean lion that thing he had to kill.

Lex may be Superman’s nemesis but Doomsday is the monster he slew, granted the creature should’ve stayed dead but that’s besides the point.

Jurgens also showed that he was still top dog without the Triangle team, Lois and Clark expertly reintroduced the Superman people actually liked and his Action Comics during Rebirth balanced out the family drama of the main series with sci-fi adventures and guest appearances. The “Booster Shot” storyline in particular was my favorite.
the one complaint i have is that the JLA Doomsday beat up was one of the weaker lineups in terms of recognition and power. I kinda wish they'd had a few more "big guns" at the scene to get beaten up by Doomsday. I like the DCAMU Death of Superman movie's depiction of showing the top of the line JLA getting hammered by Doomsday.

It's just more of a higher stakes narrative to see Batman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and etc. get slammed by Doomsday compared to Fire, Ice, Blue Beetle, and Maxima.

Otherwise, the stakes are there. Doomsday should have really been staying dead, being mentioned as a boogeyman. The ultimate boogeyman.

Superman was very likable in this era. As Clark, he made mistakes, but still tried to do the right thing. I recall the whole killing the three kryptonians was something he went kinda insane with guilt over. Maxima showed up, Bibbo and Doctor Hamilton were fun. Luthor being a businessman. It was all fun.


Honestly, the only ones who may have been matches for Doomsday at this point may have been Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman. This was during the era of DC ramping down the power levels iirc.
 
Well I like that era of Superman cause the old boy’s a bit cocky, kinda macho, I dig it. Even Clark’s more confident, grinning ear to ear when he cuts Lois out of a major story, leaves bitchweights around his apartment and smirks to the reader when she starts lifting them with ease and pretty much calls Clark a pussy.
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That’s what makes the heavier moments matter more, when the cocky grin goes away and he knows that what he’s facing can dish it back, he dials in.

Mongul, Lex, Henshaw, Doomsday and Eradicator (Krypton Man phase) you see this, when the act goes away.

I also like that this Superman cut loose and was willing to bury threats, taking Eradicator into the Sun, killing Doomsday and the three Kryptonians, trying to kill Henshaw and promising to kill Mongul, it names sense, his foes are of such a greater scale than Batman’s.

It really felt like this Superman went on ice when the 90s ended, made sporadic appearances, got brought back for Rebirth then went back on ice when that asshole took over. Rebirth really felt like the post-Crisis Superman was being written in-character again, down to earth, willing to dirty his hands, humble, flawed and extremely human.
 
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Well I like that era of Superman cause the old boy’s a bit cocky, kinda macho, I dig it. Even Clark’s more confident, grinning ear to ear when he cuts Lois out of a major story, leaves bitchweights around his apartment and smirks to the reader when she starts lifting them with ease and pretty much calls Clark a pussy.
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That’s what makes the heavier moments matter more, when the cocky grin goes away and he knows that what he’s facing can dish it back, he dials in.

Mongul, Lex, Henshaw, Doomsday and Eradicator (Krypton Man phase) you see this, when the act goes away.

I also like that this Superman cut loose and was willing to bury threats, taking Eradicator into the Sun, killing Doomsday and the three Kryptonians, trying to kill Henshaw and promising to kill Mongul, it names sense, his foes are of such a greater scale than Batman’s.

It really felt like this Superman went on ice when the 90s ended, made sporadic appearances, got brought back for Rebirth then went back on ice when that asshole took over. Rebirth really felt like the post-Crisis Superman was being written in-character again, down to earth, willing to dirty his hands, humble, flawed and extremely human.
I liked this era because he was clearly a macho hero, but also written to be the paragon of DC's heroes without being too perfect.
 
Honestly, stuff like that is part of the reason why I find it hard to believe that Barbara would remain paralysied for a substanable amount of time. Can't somebody just make some tech to make her walk again?
I loved Shiva, Cheshire, etc in BoP and when Oracle fought Spy Smasher....

Went back and read Amazons Attack and yes it is shit but it is fun shit. Cry For Justice is worse. In fact what storylines on DC Comic would you say are the absolute worst?
 
I loved Shiva, Cheshire, etc in BoP and when Oracle fought Spy Smasher....

Went back and read Amazons Attack and yes it is shit but it is fun shit. Cry For Justice is worse. In fact what storylines on DC Comic would you say are the absolute worst?
'80s DC Events.

Crisis on Infinite Earths- Really good big event. While Marvel can claim Secret Wars or Contest of Champions as the first big comics event, DC's Crisis is the first true big comics crossover event. Everything changed. The art is great, the story has high stakes, and it changed the industry. Also led to a fuckton of good books.

Millennium is so fucking weird and didn't have repercussions worth anything. It did eventually lead us to Snowflame. I guess it set up more Green Lantern stuff if you like that. The big twist was the idea of Manhunter infiltrators, but most of them weren't worth getting into. It also has a fuckton of tie-ins.

Invasion! was a fun premise that may not have been perfectly executed, but it established the metagene and we got to see a more "realistic" idea of a "global" superhero response to an alien invasion. Led to the JLE so that's fun too. The tie-ins exist, but they fit into the overall story and it's enjoyable slop at least.

Legends! was the event that popped up right after the first crisis. It was basically Darkseid using psyops to smear the idea of superheroes. It did lead to the introduction of the JLI and the modern Suicide Squad.

Cosmic Odyssey was the cosmically oriented event featuring The New Gods and a bunch of cosmic alien superheroes+ John Stewart and Batman. The story's by Jim Starlin and the art's by Mike Mignola. It's an underwhelming event that really should have been better executed than it was. It does establish John Stewart's major traumatic incident and Starlin turns the Anti-Life Equation from a vague jack kirby concept into a more concrete being. Overall, kinda stinky but the art does redeem it a big. Also, if you're a fan of the Z-list New God hero, Forager, this is his key comic.

'90s DC Events.

War of the Gods was kind of an event meant to highlight Perez's Wonder Woman. It's not the best. The art is great. My issue is that the concept could have been executed way better, because DC's more tied to magic and a wider variety of pantheons. Mid at best.

Armageddon 2001 is a fine concept that DC changed because they wanted the big bad to be a pure mystery and decided to do a last minute change as a knee-jerk reaction to the twist being leaked. TLDR: an oppressive big bad from the near future is a hero of today! Originally planned to be Captain Atom, but that got leaked and DC decided to swap it to be Hawk of Hawk and Dove. Which. . . didn't work out to have the needed gravitas. Cap was the leader of a Justice League team and had gone through enough suffering to justify a dark side, even if the JLI/JLE tended to focus on the lighter side of things. Hawk was. . . chaotic and brooding and increasingly violent without his brother (who died during Crisis). The series also introduced Waverider, a time travelling superhero with chronal powers. Honestly, the series was a big dud and it's just more known for having kinda sorta ruined Hawk & Dove as well as prove that you shouldn't make kneejerk reactions in response to leaks. A shitty event, but not the worst of the decade.

It's also at this point that I should point out that DC and Marvel were also doing Annuals crossovers, which were seperate events that mostly took place within annuals and the event books (IIRC).

A more important one in the '90s was the Eclipso event, which elevated the villainous protagonist from being a C-tier Silver Age holdover into a cosmically powerful being that Darkseid and Spectre had to handle with respect. Eclipso's entire deal is that he can corrupt and then possess beings. In this one, he takes control of almost all of Earth's major superheroes and a few villains. It's not all that great of a story, but it is a heroic sacrificial sendoff to the post-crisis late '80s Starman, Will Payton. Read it if you like DC's cosmic scene. It also sets up an Eclipso ongoing series that. . . I found to be a bit of a guilty pleasure. The premise was that Eclipso takes over a latin american country, while Amanda Waller organizes a team of C list heroes to infiltrate and take him out. (The highest profile hero was probably The Creeper. All of the characters died, aside from The Creeper. 30 years later, we're told that the Manhunter version that was sent to die here didn't really die here. Also, the OG Peacemaker was here, allegedly died, and then popped up alive later on in the Blue Beetle. Wild. The only permanent deaths that kinda suck are the Infinity Inc/All Star Squadron members that really shoulda not been thrown away like fodder. The 90s have a habit of killing Golden Age characters or those adjacent to them.)


Death of Superman
Read it. It's worth the time. It's handled well.

Return of Superman
Worth a shot. Kinda funny how it just fucking decides to break Hal Jordan in one go too. Honestly, Hal's characterization from the Crisis up to this point had seriously been putting him in a shitty spot repeatedly, so it's easy to imagine him already being mentally stressed out even before Coast City's nuking. Anyways, it's a fine revival and the introduction of the 4 Supermen is also fairly fun.

Batman: Knightfall

Read it. It's basically Bruce being put to the end of his rope before Bane breaks him. Bane has never ever been able to recapture how threatening he was when he appeared here.
I don't know if I'd recommend reading the all of the resulting stuff with Azrael, but it's worth seeing Bruce come back and Dick wearing the cowl for the first time.

Bloodlines-
A series of violent and edgy annuals centered around dangerous spinal fluid sucking alien parasites that have a 1% chance to give a human superpowers. Kind of a shit event that tried to create new ongoing characters. The only notable thing to come out of this is the excellently enjoyable Hitman book by Garth Ennis. But you can just read that without this. It might be the worst event in DC's history.

Worlds Collide- The Milestone/DC collab crossover. It's like 2-3 issues and worth checking out.

Emerald Twilight isn't an event per se, but it's pretty well known for being the death of the GL Corps and Hal Jordan's turning point. I'd count it as an event. It's a little rough. If made a few years earlier, or a decade later, then it'd be sufficiently bittersweet as all the recruits that Hal spent his time recruit post-crisis to rebuild the Corps get fucked up trying to stop him. Hal fucking kills Sinestro AND Kilowog. The entire thing is just bitter. Then Ganthet fucks off and gives the last ring to some artist in an Alley instead of giving it to John Stewart or sth.

Zero Hour-
It was sort of the crisis event of the '90s, meant to fix and repair continuity in regards to stories set in the future or distant past. It's a fairly quick read but the quality ain't that good. It's notable for the following

  • Ending the original Legion of Superheroes timeline/book.
  • Killing 3 of the original JSA, including the original atom.
  • Causing a weird fucking merging of The Golden Age Hawkman+Hawkgirl and the Thanagarian Katar Hol Hawkman. This results in a weird schizoid "hawk" god and that all becomes one of many reasons for why editorial would consider the Hawkman brand to be too radioactive until the Robinson/Johns JSA.
  • Hawk (Hank Hall) is treated as the big bad here, having gone from being Monarch to being called Extant. Now? Hal Jordan as Parallax pops up and ices him, then tries to restart the universe in his image. Oliver Queen "kills" him.
  • Ah, I remember that the Titans spinoff team "Team Titans" were revealed to be Extant/Parallax sleeper agents, except for their version of Terra. . . and Mirage (Who's best known for raping Nightwing).
  • Anyways there's a few shakeups, but they're kinda "meh". New Legion of Superheroes series pops up. The big hit that pops up in the wake of this is the James Robinson Starman series. Which is a pretty fun read.
  • Yeah the start of the series fakes people out by making you think Wally West's Flash died.
Zero Hour is very mediocre and ended the original Legion of Superheroes AND kinda just essentially killed off 5 JSA members. There's even a bit in the event where the original GL and Flash just get sick of it all and walk off, with Alan tossing his ring and Jay ripping his lightning bolt off. It's intended to be bittersweet, but the entire event's just kind of a mess. It doesn't hit that well.


Underworld Unleashed was an event that introduced Neron, a major devil type villain that grants wishes in exchange for something. The event's just an excuse to have a lot of chaos and a bunch of fight scenes. A lot of villains gain new powers after giving Neron their souls. Like Black Manta and Killer Moth. Anyways, the only mildly notable things here are the fact that Blue Devil makes a bad wish and gets his close friend killed on top of being turned into a real demon. It's a "whatever" event, honestly.

Legends of the Dead Earth Annuals, Pulp Heroes Annuals, and Year One Annuals are all variably "YMMV". Check out what you may like.

Final Night is a good short-ish event. A Sun Eater is approaching and the heroes must stop it. It plays the stakes reasonable straightforward. Superman gets to zero power. The Sun Eater is too powerful. Hal Jordan redeems himself by sacrificing his life to beat it, ignite the sun, and then gets a memoriam issue that sees Swamp Thing and John Constantine show up in DC for the first time in a while. (They were Vertigo locked at this point, sort of.) It's all a fine event with good stakes.

Jla/Titans- A quick event/crossover book that has the titans and jla at odds. It's fairly enjoyable. Notable for the return of Cyborg.

Genesis- a New Gods event by John Byrne. Look, it's a mini event and it's kinda forgettable unless you're a Byrne fan. It's also responsible, iirc, for the Superman in that blue outfit with electrical energy powers. It's a middlingly okay read.

DC One Million is a fun event with fun tie-ins. Go read it.

Day of Judgment- Mystic event around Spectre/Etrigan. Hal Jordan becomes The Spectre to turn it into a spirit of redemption. It's an alright read.

JLApe- Funny annuals event. Worth reading because it's funny goofy shit.

2000s-

Silver Age- Mark Waid gets to make a retroactively applied Silver Age event. It's decent and is a love letter to the Silver Age.

Planet DC- Annuals themed around adding more "international" heroes. YMMV. I don't think anyone remotely relevant pops up here.

Our Worlds at War- A big event featuring a massive invasion by a cosmically powerful entity. Everyone comes together to fight Imperiex. It's a big spectacle. A bunch of characters die. The series takes a sorta "resilient" tone in the face of a seemingly unwinnable fight against an ancient cosmic entity and its drones. In the end, it's clearly written to show that the event's taken its toll on the world. Hippolyta, Aquaman, Guy Gardner, and Sam Lane all die. (Don't worry, they all got better. In fact, Guy crawls out of hell within a year. Lmfao.) Worth checking out for being a big spectacle. The tie-ins are fine enough too.

Joker: Last Laugh- Joker thinks he's about to die and orchestrates prison breaks of jokerized supervillains. It's a spectacle. Not amazing, but goofy comics fun and whatnot.

Late 90s-to early 00s Batman "events" are all varying in quality. No Man's Land is notable for shaking things up. The early 00s Bat-events are all kinda meh.

Identity Crisis- A piece of shit event that makes things unnecessarily darker. It's meant to be a murder mystery. But it feels a little too mean-spirited.

Countdown to Infinite Crisis miniseries- They're all readable and enjoyable enough. Each sets up the stakes of Infinite Crisis and builds to how fucked some things are.

Infinite Crisis- Enjoyable spectacle. I think they could have fleshed out the antagonists a bit better. Recommend at least checking it out. Uh. Ted Kord and Conner Kent are the most notable deaths. Other than that, you get a LOT of bottom tier character deaths. Pantha, Wildebeast, Bushido, Judomaster (rip, he was supposed to actually do something after L.A.W.), Peacemaker (the one from L.A.W.), Shazam, Earth 2 Superman/Lois, Earth 2 Wondy, etc.

52 and Trinity were events that ran as weeklies for 52 weeks. Both are very well worth reading and set up a fuckton of stuff. There's also World War III, aka everyone tries to stop Black Adam's grief driven rampage. Everything related to 52/Trinity is fun.

Green Lantern Rebirth isn't really an "event", but it revives Hal, establishes the Parallax as a fear entity, and ignites the return of the Corps.

Countdown to Final Crisis and Amazons Attack were shit. Don't bother. Bart Allen dies somewhere here, I think. Both tie for the absolute worst events for this decade.

Final Crisis is massive and very much a Grant Morrison event. YMMV. It's enjoyable and has a lot of the shit Morrison's built up in his DC work. You know the stakes are through the roof when they kill The Martian Manhunter just to show how fucked the situation is. Batman also dies. Barry Allen comes back! It's all fine. The spinoffs are good too. Recommend checking everything out. The Legion of Superheroes FInal Crisis Side Story brings all 3 of the Legion Timelines to ally together in order to fight Superboy Prime's gathering of Legion Villains. Conner Kent and Bart Allen are back now too!

Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night- Fun Events. Recommend checking it out. High stakes, big fights, establishes a bunch of shit. Fun stuff. Brightest Day isn't as good. In fact, I'd say it's not good at all.

Cry For Justice- garbage.

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Flashpoint- A fine premise and fun event that's a little edgy. The N52 was shite though.

Trinity War- A Spectacle. Kinda okay to read.

Future's End- A fine enough weekly? book featuring Batman Beyond. An okay event, but suffers from n52 being half baked.

Convergence/Multiversity- A big celebration of DC's past. Multiversal Brainiac Cities in a battle royale. Fun event and a billion tie ins.

Forever Evil- Earth 3 pops up to invaaade! Fun schlock.

Darkseid War- JLA fights Darkseid. Schlock, but fun. Geoff Johns makes a mistake by dropping the three jokers shit.

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Rebirth Era

JLA v Suicide Squad- Fun, tight, self-contained. Brings back Eclipso, the original Lobo, and a bunch of villains that are closely tied to the JSA/LoSH.

Dark Metal- Fun but has flaws. Batman Who Laughs was creepy and then they ruined him.

Doomsday Clock- Geoff Johns tries to show that he's an artsy and serious comics writer, but the event only winds up explaining why the JSA/LoSH weren't around and why the n52 was so weird. Establishes the Watchmen cast as living in one of the DCU's multiversal worlds. Establishes a lot of stuff that could be fun to explore, but noone's taken advantage of this.

Dark Knights Metal/The Infected- Sorta fun ideas taken to bad executions at times. At least it's all meant to be taken as schlock. The JLA run up to this event established a lot of stuff and gave us yet another Robin, the first non-human one! Jarro! Son of Starro! Son of Batman!

Dark Crisis- The last holdover character from the Original Crisis that hadn't become a villain becomes a villain. The event starts off with the JLA assumed dead. Fun event, don't think too hard. Just accept the spectacle. At least it doesn't deal with trying to push politics or gay shit. Nightwing gets built up to finally become the leader of the world's hero community in the epilogue.


Knight Terrors and etc from 2023- Fine concept. Solid overall.

Lazurus Planet- 2023 event. Fun stuff. DC's building of chinese cast has some use here too.

Heroes in Crisis- Superheroes have an anonymous sanctuary that they use for therapy. Wally West's returned, goes to this service, and inadvertently kills a dozen people. It's a shitty event. I sure hope noone's a Lagoon Boy fan.

The JLA/LoSH book circa Rebirth- Fun event, Vandal Savage goes back in time and wants to kill the rise of superheroes.

Event Leviathan- Bendis ruins a decent concept because he's not a good thriller writer.

Bendis also fucked up and didn't even get to do anything with the LoSH.

Generations- DC's time travel "celebration" of DC heroes. They recruit variations of heroes from different publication eras, including the original gun wielding Batman with purple gloves.

The New Golden Age- Revival of the JSA via miniseries and whatnot.

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Honestly, DC's events tanked during the '90s. I still hate Identity Crisis. I know there's more events since Rebirth, but they're title/family centric and I don't always keep up with them . I'd wager that the Wondy ones aren't good.
 
I have not read final night, but I read the supergirl issues when it happens.
She get brainwashed by Gorilla Grood and wear leather pants for one issue.
 
remember, that version of supergirl got left in hell in the Reign in Hell mini-event.
we don't talk about that.
I refuse to ackknowdlge it.
Come on DC, bring her back!
PAD hinted and all right confirmed that she was the fallen angel in his creator owned series "fallen angel".
 
I remember reading the Death and Return of Superman omni and there are some Bloodlines issues in there, because DC was having their cake and eating it.

They did Bloodlines…….. alongside the return of Superman and so you get shit like the “hot chick” of the Bloodline aliens trying her femme fatale tricks on the Eradicator

“Do not press your lips to mine.”

I mean it worked, for advertising the Supermen, less so advertising those awful Bloodline characters. Tonight I’ll do a spotlight post on Eradicator cause he’s fantastic, he’s just Arnold’s T-800 from T2 as Superman and I don’t think a lot of people pick up that he’s the Terminator reference, Cyborg may look the part but that’s it.

I think each of the Supermen got a Bloodlines tie-in, except for Cyborg if I’m correct but that’s cause he had a little secret and he was saved for last to flesh out and oh boy did they.
 
we don't talk about that.
I refuse to ackknowdlge it.
Come on DC, bring her back!
PAD hinted and all right confirmed that she was the fallen angel in his creator owned series "fallen angel".
I at least wish they tried to make more use of her, but I don't blame DC for shafting her because they revived the original Kara Zor-El one.

Honestly, I do wish they at least gave the character a satisfying conclusion/end. Like, we had Lex Luthor seeing Death of the Endless in the 00s. Why not have the Matrix Supergirl pop up one last time.

I love how Reign in Hell just starts with Shadowpact hunting her down without explanation. What the fuck? I like Shadowpact and enjoy mystical DC, but it's fucking funny when this gets weird. Like, didn't she wind up becoming an angel? Why's she in hell? What the fuck happened?
I remember reading the Death and Return of Superman omni and there are some Bloodlines issues in there, because DC was having their cake and eating it.

They did Bloodlines…….. alongside the return of Superman and so you get shit like the “hot chick” of the Bloodline aliens trying her femme fatale tricks on the Eradicator

“Do not press your lips to mine.”

I mean it worked, for advertising the Supermen, less so advertising those awful Bloodline characters. Tonight I’ll do a spotlight post on Eradicator cause he’s fantastic, he’s just Arnold’s T-800 from T2 as Superman and I don’t think a lot of people pick up that he’s the Terminator reference, Cyborg may look the part but that’s it.

I think each of the Supermen got a Bloodlines tie-in, except for Cyborg if I’m correct but that’s cause he had a little secret and he was saved for last to flesh out and oh boy did they.

Bloodlines was so fucking weird because they really just tried to introduce like 30 new characters and then tried to make a shitty "reality tv show" team book where a bunch of bloodlines guys were led by fucking Jade, the Infinity Inc heroine.

I mean, if your book's big draw is a C-lister who'd been unseen for like 4 years by that point, why even bother. I think DC tried to have a semi-contained rehash of the bloodlines idea in the n52.


Christ, the Bloodlines characters really became punchlines. The only one anyone liked was Hitman. The JLA fucking decided to go grab Hitman when they needed one of the Bloodlines guys because the rest of them were actually just considered jokes by the rest of the universe. Like, when even Wonder Woman just doesn't want to deal with you, that's just sad.


The one that I think could be an interesting villain if they ever had a good writer would be Terrorsmith.

Also they seem to have been killed off in droves. Prometheus slaughtered a bunch of them. Like, holy shit. They didn't even get the New Guardians treatment of being mildly associated with some greater thing like the GL Mythos and being made into active minor background characters that get tossed into international global guardians shite.


Speaking of the '90s, anyone remember Superboy and the Ravers?
 
I’m gonna start this off saying that this one is my favorite of the four and I’m probably the biggest fan of the Eradicator, I’ve read it all. Here’s another character whose appearance I’ve followed even in non-Superman books.
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The Last Son of Krypton, the one Superman who did not rise to prominence with a solo book or become a mainstay villian and he’s the least talked about.

He started off as a Kryptonian device that Superman obtained during (the original) Warworld saga, it created the Fortress in a manner similar to the Donner flick and started influencing Superman to be more Kryptonian and it ultimately manifested a body for itself and tried to terraform the planet, stopped when Superman threw it into the sun, the energies caused by the explosion would go on to alter four astronauts fundamentally and the two survivors were Hank and Teri Henshaw.

Then it reappeared after Superman’s death, stole his body, tried to possess it (Eradicator is a strange energy-based AI, think “hard-light” from Halo) and Clark’s soul returning from beyond caused Eradicator to start malfunctioning.

It created a setup with Superman in his regeneration pod as a fuel source for it’s own flawed recreation of Superman, Clark’s memories overode this and the AI’s rationalization (cope) was that his body needed the “power source” after his death,

It then suited up and went about as Superman, introducing himself by killing a rapist and crippling a safecracker in a manner similar to Superman’s “first night” from the Donner movie.

During his time as Superman he became a “real boy” making friends, fighting villians and slowly becoming the hero he was impersonating. Push came to shove when he let his guard down, got shot in the gut and thrown into the Coast City blast.

The trauma unlocked his memories and the machine had a breakdown, ditched the cape and carried out his mission by shielding Superman from a kryptonite blast, his recreated body modifying the kryptonite and reversing its polarity, letting it amplify and supercharge Clark’s still weak body.

After Reign of the Supermen he came back, merging with a terminally ill scientist but he never got the spotlight again, his three-part miniseries was mostly crap, except for the ending where he came to the realization that his human host was long-dead and he’s just a machine that wanted to be a human. He said goodbye to the scientist’s family (who the guy was abusive to prior to his assimilation) and left them with something of a positive memory.

He faded into the background, came back in Rebirth but as a different pre-characterization version, the good version is probably gone.

He’s the T2 version of Arnold as Superman, unmistakably 90s and I always thought it was a shame he never took off. Him and Superboy should’ve become a duo, you know, complete the homage, have Clark charge the robot with keeping Conner out of trouble.
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He was gonna be in the Nic Cage Superman flick too, he was a common element in the many drafts of that movie, the best one being that he was a protector, the pod’s AI charged with watching over Kal-El, taking the form of his teddy bear after the landing. This idea was loosely used in the DCAU where he’s the pod AI.

Wonder Woman even developed the hots for “the violent brooding one with the visor” really speaks to N52 Diana’s type.
 
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