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I like Daken better as well especially in Dark Avengers.
I liked Dark Avengers a lot (and most of the Dark Reign stuff in general, for that matter), but Daken was really rapey.

I'm thinking of that bit were he sexually harassed that H.A.M.M.E.R. agent who was clearly terrified of him, and the bit where he forcibly kissed Bullseye on the mouth against his will.
 
I liked Dark Avengers a lot (and most of the Dark Reign stuff in general, for that matter), but Daken was really rapey.

I'm thinking of that bit were he sexually harassed that H.A.M.M.E.R. agent who was clearly terrified of him, and the bit where he forcibly kissed Bullseye on the mouth against his will.
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I love that era, Mac was /ourguy/
 
I like when the Jewish Dad goes on racist rants like my old Jewish boss would do against blacks and Asians. He’d switch to Yiddish so they would know, but you could still tell.

Otherwise furry garbage.
I read both books twice and I wasnt really sure what to make of them. The furry animal thing is an obvious allegory, I think you're supposed to understand it as a euphemism. It's easier to depict a pile of dead rats than it is to depict a pile of dead people. It's a little bit to evade censorship. If you did a comic book like this with human characters i think it would be far too dire.

The racist dad rants are great, as are his paranoid sensibilities about resources, and the framing device of the dad telling his son about what happened. And how his son hates him, and how the comic book is framed in the present day (as of publication, anyway... these books are coming onto 40 years old) shows another side to the Holocaust trauma; the generational guilt, and how the children suffered too, even though they can't remember it.
 
I read both books twice and I wasnt really sure what to make of them. The furry animal thing is an obvious allegory, I think you're supposed to understand it as a euphemism. It's easier to depict a pile of dead rats than it is to depict a pile of dead people. It's a little bit to evade censorship. If you did a comic book like this with human characters i think it would be far too dire.

The racist dad rants are great, as are his paranoid sensibilities about resources, and the framing device of the dad telling his son about what happened. And how his son hates him, and how the comic book is framed in the present day (as of publication, anyway... these books are coming onto 40 years old) shows another side to the Holocaust trauma; the generational guilt, and how the children suffered too, even though they can't remember it.
I get the allegory, but I don’t care for the art style. It’s one of those books that’s carried by it being The Holocaust comic. The presentation of the subject matter is fine, but honestly I’ve seen it irl and in fiction so much that it’s not that special to me. Also, I know for a fact that furries beat off to it because there’s anthropomorphic nudity and I agree with banning that shit because I want any impressionable child as far away from furry shit as possible.

Ultimately I kinda hate it because it reminds me of how Underground Comix died and the US never got an industry that actually has variety. I read more old manga than comics and could probably recommend you some good manga more than a comic.
 
uh, could you plz elaborate?
I merged two thoughts, but more I had Jewish neighbors for most of my life and lived near a Jewish community that had strong friendships with non-Jewish ones. The generational difference is something that’s always existed. I did see some Jewish grandmothers be absolutely psychotic, but they literally only had 2nd cousins go through the Holocaust. People I met who directly went through it usually were pretty calm, like my grandfather talking about the war in the Pacific it was a chapter in their life that was over. They had odd habits, but it was treated as eccentricities.

The other thing was more that the Holocaust narratives they force you to read in schools are very samey, Mous is different with the Racist Dad, but it’s got a certain quality that I’ve grown to dislike. There are journals I’ve read about Jews/ German soldiers/ civilians living through the era that are honestly a lot better. It’s peculiar, but some of them are very matter of fact about their experience and really go into life after it if they stayed in Germany/ Poland/ Lithuania/ Wherever. I remember one guy being annoyed that his friend felt guilty for being drafted into the German army and him being in a camp. It was very peculiar because the tone of it was just annoyed that his life in a small German town got upended.
 
I liked Dark Avengers a lot (and most of the Dark Reign stuff in general, for that matter), but Daken was really rapey.

I'm thinking of that bit were he sexually harassed that H.A.M.M.E.R. agent who was clearly terrified of him, and the bit where he forcibly kissed Bullseye on the mouth against his will.
Whatever happened to Dakken anyway?
 
Otherwise furry garbage.
I would question your view of the world if you view anything with anthropomorphic animal characters as 'furry garbage'. That's a really dumb take with no nuance to it whatsoever.

I think on even a casual viewing of the material the anthropomorphic nature of the characters in Maus is clearly supposed to be allegorical, a literary device to help convey the themes of the story. It's not like they're all yiffing eachother with drooly mouths and shitting dick-nipples while inexplicably inflating.

Something just having anthropomorphic animal characters does not in and of itself render it furry garbage. It's about the intent of the writer in making the choice to depict the characters that way.

I'm fairly confident that I can say that Art Speigelman probably wasn't jerking off while he wrote his book about the horrors of the Holocaust.
 
I liked Dark Avengers a lot (and most of the Dark Reign stuff in general, for that matter), but Daken was really rapey.

I'm thinking of that bit were he sexually harassed that H.A.M.M.E.R. agent who was clearly terrified of him, and the bit where he forcibly kissed Bullseye on the mouth against his will.
I kind of forgot about that detail about Daken. Yeah, he had some extra ability, where he could manipulate pheromones, and "seduce" people, or something. I liked it better, though, when his father was dead for a bit, and he took the moniker of Wolverine (again, technically. His sister did for a while, too).

Got his own book for awhile, died, got brought back as a Horseman of Death, got gayer, died.
I remember The Grim Reaper (the cyborg with the scythe hand) and Archangel being part of that set-up, as well.
 
Got his own book for awhile, died, got brought back as a Horseman of Death, got gayer, died.
Then got Krakoa'd, joined wish.com X-Factor, started banging Aurora, mellowed out and started to get along with his dad and all the girl clones (we were at two Lauras and one Laura clone until recently) and just now got disassembled by Sabretooth and various alt-universe Sabreteeth to spell out a birthday message for Sniktbub.
 
I would question your view of the world if you view anything with anthropomorphic animal characters as 'furry garbage'. That's a really dumb take with no nuance to it whatsoever.

I think on even a casual viewing of the material the anthropomorphic nature of the characters in Maus is clearly supposed to be allegorical, a literary device to help convey the themes of the story. It's not like they're all yiffing eachother with drooly mouths and shitting dick-nipples while inexplicably inflating.

Something just having anthropomorphic animal characters does not in and of itself render it furry garbage. It's about the intent of the writer in making the choice to depict the characters that way.

I'm fairly confident that I can say that Art Speigelman probably wasn't jerking off while he wrote his book about the horrors of the Holocaust.
Three words caused you to angrily type that out.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
Three words caused you to angrily type that out.

Oh, OK. Boy, you sure showed me with your retarded take, bro.

I kind of forgot about that detail about Daken. Yeah, he had some extra ability, where he could manipulate pheromones, and "seduce" people, or something. I liked it better, though, when his father was dead for a bit, and he took the moniker of Wolverine (again, technically. His sister did for a while, too).
That's the thing, though, I'm aware he has that pheromone stuff, but in neither of those instances was Daken  seducing anyone. It was clear from the context and the reactions of both Bullseye and the H.A.M.M.E.R. agent that Daken's attention was unwanted.

I'm not easily offended - I love Garth Ennis, for God's sake - and Daken is a villainous character so I don't expect him to be a bastion of decent behaviour, but I remember thinking that this would have been a MUCH bigger deal if he was acting that way towards two female characters, as opposed to this being man-on-man harassment, where it's largely brushed off and forgotten about.
 
Daken fucked Johnny Storm. But tbf Daken fucks anything that moves.

Dazzler omnibus coming in the fall. And they're finally re-releasing DC vs Marvel in two omnibus editions!
 
Daken fucked Johnny Storm. But tbf Daken fucks anything that moves.

Dazzler omnibus coming in the fall. And they're finally re-releasing DC vs Marvel in two omnibus editions!
He fucked Hawkeye, and Bullseye, too, didn't he? Or he just snogged them.

Oh, OK. Boy, you sure showed me with your retarded take, bro.


That's the thing, though, I'm aware he has that pheromone stuff, but in neither of those instances was Daken  seducing anyone. It was clear from the context and the reactions of both Bullseye and the H.A.M.M.E.R. agent that Daken's attention was unwanted.

I'm not easily offended - I love Garth Ennis, for God's sake - and Daken is a villainous character so I don't expect him to be a bastion of decent behaviour, but I remember thinking that this would have been a MUCH bigger deal if he was acting that way towards two female characters, as opposed to this being man-on-man harassment, where it's largely brushed off and forgotten about.
I seem to remember that he had a violent/emotionally abusive relationship with some lady cop, too. During one of their arguments (I think she tried to kill him), he chopped off one of her hands. And you thought his old man was unlucky in love; Daken just can't help himself when it comes to his angry sadist tendencies.
 
X-Men: Dead X-Men are the team going back in time to make sure they confirm Moira's story about her powers manifesting on her 13th birthday (since Xavier doesn't trust her anymore and is planning on killing her). Enigma has Phalanx Spiders waiting in the timestream to kill anyone
I hate time travel as a crutch and I have never understood why making Moira the anchor of the X universe was ever a good idea.
 
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