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SwampRatShitBox said:
Are Allen Moore books worth reading or are they just Britfag commie diatribe's? I vaguely remember reading V for Vendetta when it first came out in movies.
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I think League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is worth it for the artwork alone and Watchmen is seminal enough of a work that anyone who's interested in comics should give it a read, which people will definitly disagree with. Apart from that i don't think i read much Moore that i did like, his run on Scalped +100 was terrible, but then again Scalped is a terrible comic in general.
 
SwampRatShitBox said:
Are Allen Moore books worth reading or are they just Britfag commie diatribe's? I vaguely remember reading V for Vendetta when it first came out in movies.
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I can only speak for his Superman stuff, but “For the Man Who has Everything” is a masterpiece, the humour, the characters and the central premise are all great.
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The sad man from Krypton

“Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow” is the swan song of Silver Age Superman and it’s an aquired taste, I didn’t like it initially but after a reread I liked it, especially the ending, it really feels like the end of an era.
 
I read Hard Boiled by Frank Miller recently and boy is it pretty dope.
They story is wacky as shit, but the art by Geof Darrow is amazing and with so much details.
Just look at this page:
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Every page in this comic is like this.
 
SwampRatShitBox said:
Are Allen Moore books worth reading or are they just Britfag commie diatribe's? I vaguely remember reading V for Vendetta when it first came out in movies.
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God Tier: Swamp Thing, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Miracleman, For The Man Who Has Everything, Joker: The Killing Joke

Good Tier: LOEG (volumes one and two), Captain Britain, Wildcats, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Moore's Clayface story from Batman Annual #11

Blah Tier: 1963, Supreme, Ballad of Halo Jones, Wildcats, Youngblood: Judgement Day, Moore's Spawn work

Avoid Like the Plague: LOEG after volume two, Promethea, Tom Strong, other ABC Comics books
 
MirrorNoir said:
God Tier: Swamp Thing, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Miracleman, For The Man Who Has Everything, Joker: The Killing Joke

Good Tier: LOEG (volumes one and two), Captain Britain, Wildcats, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Moore's Clayface story from Batman Annual #11

Blah Tier: 1963, Supreme, Ballad of Halo Jones, Wildcats, Youngblood: Judgement Day, Moore's Spawn work

Avoid Like the Plague: LOEG after volume two, Promethea, Tom Strong, other ABC Comics books
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I've always heard Promethea and Tom Strong are good

Also add Neonomicon to that Avoid list
 
Nick Obre said:
I've always heard Promethea and Tom Strong are good

Also add Neonomicon to that Avoid list
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Promethea starts out as an uninspired superhero thing then rapidly turns into Moore's TED talk about magic (or "magick" if you're retarded). IIRC he spends a dozen issues going through Kabbalah stuff. I thought it was pretty interesting but if that's not your bag I imagine it'd be excruciating

Neonomicon was just gross, I get that it's a horror comic and it's supposed to get under your skin but Jesus. If you're in the "Alan Moore is a rapey old creep" camp that book is not going to change your mind lol
 
quokking said:
Promethea starts out as an uninspired superhero thing then rapidly turns into Moore's TED talk about magic (or "magick" if you're retarded). IIRC he spends a dozen issues going through Kabbalah stuff. I thought it was pretty interesting but if that's not your bag I imagine it'd be excruciating

Neonomicon was just gross, I get that it's a horror comic and it's supposed to get under your skin but Jesus. If you're in the "Alan Moore is a rapey old creep" camp that book is not going to change your mind lol
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Does he actually believe all that or is he just like Brandon Sanderson for commies
 
Foltest said:
reading some of John Byrne old Superman comics from the 80s and they are pretty dope.
Except 591 and 592 of action comics.
Yes. The one where Superman makes a fucking porn with Big Barda.
I mean.... WHY!? Why would anyone go and think "YES John! THis is a perfect story! We need to CUCK Scott FREEMAN with Superman!"
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That one would’ve been forgiven if while Barda and Scott hug and reunite, Clark quietly killed Sleez in the next room by hitting him against the wall like a rodent.
 
Byrne's Superman run was... weird. He tried combining Golden & Silver Age plots with modern story telling. So, you'd get really good world building, use of the supporting cast, subplots, and the build up of various background story threads... but then an issue's A plot would be Superman fighting a chimp or some shit. He lays great groundwork for Post-Crisis Superman, which Dan Jurgens, Roger Stern, Jerry Ordway, and the others then run with after Byrne leaves, giving us roughly a decade of the best Superman era.
 
Nick Obre said:
Doesn't he worship, for real, not as a joke, not as a LARP, a snake god he may or may not have made up?
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He does worship a snake and do magical 'workings' and all that shit, but with a bit of "it's-all-theatre-don't-you-know" plausible deniability. Here's Moore in 2011:
ALAN MOORE: Hello everybody, my name’s Alan Moore, and I earn a living by making up stories about things that have never actually happened.

When it comes to my spiritual beliefs that’s perhaps why I worship a second century human headed snake god called Glycon, who was exposed as a ventriloquist’s dummy nearly 2000 years ago. Famed throughout the Roman Empire, Glycon was the creation of an entrepreneur known as Alexander the false prophet, which is a terrible name to go into business under [...]

Looks aside, I’m interested in the snake god purely as a symbol, indeed one of humanity’s oldest symbols, which can stand for wisdom, for healing, or, according to etho-botanist Jeremy Narby, for our spiralling and snake-like DNA itself.

But I’m also interested in having a god who is demonstrably a ventriloquist’s dummy. After all, isn’t this the way we use most of our deities. We can look through our various sacred books and by choosing one ambiguous passage or one interpretation over another we can pretty much get our gods to justify our own current agendas. We can make them say what we want them to say.

The big advantage of worshipping an actual glove puppet of course is that if things start to get unruly or out of hand you can always put them back in the box. And you know, it doesn’t matter if they don’t want to go back in the box, they have to go back in the box.
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MirrorNoir said:
God Tier: Swamp Thing, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, Miracleman, For The Man Who Has Everything, Joker: The Killing Joke

Good Tier: LOEG (volumes one and two), Captain Britain, Wildcats, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Moore's Clayface story from Batman Annual #11

Blah Tier: 1963, Supreme, Ballad of Halo Jones, Wildcats, Youngblood: Judgement Day, Moore's Spawn work

Avoid Like the Plague: LOEG after volume two, Promethea, Tom Strong, other ABC Comics books
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My list, this was fun

God Tier: Swamp Thing, For The Man Who Has Everything, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Night Olympics, GL short stories,

Good Tier: V For Vendetta, Miracleman, Watchmen, Captain Britain, Wildcats, Moore's Clayface story from Batman Annual #11, Batman: The Killing Joke, Bojay, DR and Quinch, Spawn work, Awesome work,

Blah Tier: 1963, Ballad of Halo Jones, Tom Strong, Tomorrow Stories,

Avoid Like the Plague: LOEG entirely, Promethea, Tom Strong, ABC Comics books in general; Big numbers, From Hell (controversial take), Lost girls, Yuggoth

Tor Lugosi said:
Byrne's Superman run was... weird. He tried combining Golden & Silver Age plots with modern story telling. So, you'd get really good world building, use of the supporting cast, subplots, and the build up of various background story threads... but then an issue's A plot would be Superman fighting a chimp or some shit. He lays great groundwork for Post-Crisis Superman, which Dan Jurgens, Roger Stern, Jerry Ordway, and the others then run with after Byrne leaves, giving us roughly a decade of the best Superman era.
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Byrne's run has the Byrne fallacies. Fanboy Kirby obsession (Fourth World characters), ego issues with Marvel Wolfman, and his taking things to an opposite extreme of pre crisis super.

But it's hard unless you grew up with pre Byrne Supes how much he fixed the characters problems (albeit creating new ones in the process)
 
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Tom (Digging for Oil) Strong is Reed if Reed didn’t have a Chad friend to protect him.

This page is fucking hilarious, you can hate the book but this shit is gold
 
Humble Architect said:
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Tom (Digging for Oil) Strong is Reed if Reed didn’t have a Chad friend to protect him.

This page is fucking hilarious, you can hate the book but this shit is gold
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oh yeah tom strong's kinda similar to Reed, but with a weird mix of Superman and Doc Savage.

Eh, I see the Tom Strong stuff as innocuous fun. The racemix doesn't bug me as much since it's just kinda the trope of "oh yeah pulp explorer marries a different race" shit. Besides, he grew up on that island and etc.

What is kinda sad is that Moore ragequit doing Tom Strong stuff after he found out DC bought ABC.
 
Popping in to say that the Jay Garrick: The Flash miniseries is one of the best series I've read in awhile. The art is amazing. The writing is solid. I can't really fault it for anything (please note that I'm not a lore nerd, so retconning Flash's origin doesn't affect me at all). It really is an overall great follow-up to the Star Girl miniseries from last year.

Also read Daredevil: Gang War. Good art, but the writing is garbage. Twee jokiness from Elektra just feels so wrong. You can tell the writer is trying to balance Elektra with the modern Marvel sensibility, but he's failing at every level.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Popping in to say that the Jay Garrick: The Flash miniseries is one of the best series I've read in awhile. The art is amazing. The writing is solid. I can't really fault it for anything (please note that I'm not a lore nerd, so retconning Flash's origin doesn't affect me at all). It really is an overall great follow-up to the Star Girl miniseries from last year.

Also read Daredevil: Gang War. Good art, but the writing is garbage. Twee jokiness from Elektra just feels so wrong. You can tell the writer is trying to balance Elektra with the modern Marvel sensibility, but he's failing at every level.
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as a long time Jay fan, a part of his backstory for the past decades was that he and his wife couldn't have kids, so they'd especially take care of the likes of Bart Allen (Impulse) and all the other kid heroes that came by, like the grandparents of the JSA/cape community.

It's nice to see Jay finally get his greatest wish.

On the other hand, why they gotta make Alan fucking gay, holy shit. You have 500+ golden age heroes and you pick one that's had an established family, kids, and went to hell to save the soul of his wife. (Who was the original Harlequin and was sorta his own catwoman type deal.)


The Stargirl series was interesting. I hope they follow up with the Golden Age Mister Miracle and Aquaman stuff at least. I'm very curious to see what Geoff Johns is going to pull with the golden age aquaman suddenly existing as a seperate thing.


Also the JSA book is kinda whack. We have Helena Wayne back and all she does is look at Bruce and gives him a sorta ominous warning. Jeez.
 
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