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[Nick Obre]

Unrelated to the above but are there comic books still worth reading these days?

A while ago, I gushed about "Do a Powerbomb!" by Daniel Warren Johnson. Since then, I've also read Extremity and Murder Falcon by him, and they're both great too. All published by Image.
So consider checking them out.

 

[GoPro]

Unrelated to the above but are there comic books still worth reading these days? All those i know about went to shit or died years ago (not just big two but IDW, Dark Horse and that tier of comic books making companies) and i don't know so many of what is out there now

Once in a while something comes out but vast majority is not worth reading. There is no clear rule on what indie publisher is best. They all put out a lot of forgettable titles.
"Do a Powerbomb" is a good miniseries from 2022. "Sobek" is a good one-shot from 2021. "Ice Cream Man" is good too if you like horror but I am not up to date on it. I would say that there is at least one good book worth reading every year on average and they are not published by big two more often than not. If you are after an ongoing series of consistently good quality, you are better off dabbling in European comics and manga.

(Closest thread i could find for this since combic book related subject|) i have this book


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Right next to me right next to me right now and had another one with the Hulk and Doctor Doom in it. does anyone know how many were made (this one is from 1996)

I am not an expert, but if it's from mid 90s there were probably hundreds of thousands printed.

 

[Nick Obre]

Just remembered I've heard good things about the Massive-Verse (several titles in the same universe, with crossovers, the usual), also published by Image. I haven't read it, but I've heard it's worth a look so eventually I will, art looks generally good at least. It's a bunch of superheroes, but they're all related in some way, and the designs are kind of Power Rangers-ish. Radiant Black, Radiant Red, Rogue Sun, and some others.

 

[Zaryiu2]

A while ago, I gushed about "Do a Powerbomb!" by Daniel Warren Johnson. Since then, I've also read Extremity and Murder Falcon by him, and they're both great too. All published by Image.
So consider checking them out.

Once in a while something comes out but vast majority is not worth reading. There is no clear rule on what indie publisher is best. They all put out a lot of forgettable titles.
"Do a Powerbomb" is a good miniseries from 2022. "Sobek" is a good one-shot from 2021. "Ice Cream Man" is good too if you like horror but I am not up to date on it. I would say that there is at least one good book worth reading every year on average and they are not published by big two more often than not. If you are after an ongoing series of consistently good quality, you are better off dabbling in European comics and manga.


I am not an expert, but if it's from mid 90s there were probably hundreds of thousands printed.

Just remembered I've heard good things about the Massive-Verse (several titles in the same universe, with crossovers, the usual), also published by Image. I haven't read it, but I've heard it's worth a look so eventually I will, art looks generally good at least. It's a bunch of superheroes, but they're all related in some way, and the designs are kind of Power Rangers-ish. Radiant Black, Radiant Red, Rogue Sun, and some others.

Thanks

 

[Overly Serious]

What I hate about comics is the way I'm reading a story and suddenly out of the blue everything is turned upside down and characters are different, storylines are different, everything is thrown out because there's some fucking "event".

Was reading some Marvel comics. Suddenly no warning, completely fucking different universe and characters because some "house of M" event.

Can you imagine that in any other medium? You're watching some sit com or soap opera and suddenly all the characters are different because of something that happened on another channel? You're reading Lord of the Rings and half-way through the story stops and Frodo is the villain because George R. R. Martin did something in book five of the GoT series and the fucking publishing company thinks now I'll buy both sequences of books to find out what happened?

Fuck them all. The only outcome is I've stopped bothering to read Marvel or DC comics. I will occasionally still by some collected book of an elseworld's story because they're the only self-contained comics anymore.

Marvel and DC are both trash because of this greed.

 

[DaBigBopper]

What I hate about comics is the way I'm reading a story and suddenly out of the blue everything is turned upside down and characters are different, storylines are different, everything is thrown out because there's some fucking "event".

Was reading some Marvel comics. Suddenly no warning, completely fucking different universe and characters because some "house of M" event.

Can you imagine that in any other medium? You're watching some sit com or soap opera and suddenly all the characters are different because of something that happened on another channel? You're reading Lord of the Rings and half-way through the story stops and Frodo is the villain because George R. R. Martin did something in book five of the GoT series and the fucking publishing company thinks now I'll buy both sequences of books to find out what happened?

Fuck them all. The only outcome is I've stopped bothering to read Marvel or DC comics. I will occasionally still by some collected book of an elseworld's story because they're the only self-contained comics anymore.

Marvel and DC are both trash because of this greed.

In theory it'd be neat if say an event was going on with Spider-Man and other heroes aren't involved, but slightly effected by it. The storylines intersect, but aren't intermingled or contaminated to high fucking heavens. You can mix the peas and the carrots, but don't mash them into a mess that's barely recognizeble.

House of M would have been a perfectly fine series, if say it was only some of the Avengers and the X-Men in the fantasy world rather than a company wide event that interrupts plot lines you gave a shit about for a month or two.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

What I hate about comics is the way I'm reading a story and suddenly out of the blue everything is turned upside down and characters are different, storylines are different, everything is thrown out because there's some fucking "event".

Was reading some Marvel comics. Suddenly no warning, completely fucking different universe and characters because some "house of M" event.

Can you imagine that in any other medium? You're watching some sit com or soap opera and suddenly all the characters are different because of something that happened on another channel? You're reading Lord of the Rings and half-way through the story stops and Frodo is the villain because George R. R. Martin did something in book five of the GoT series and the fucking publishing company thinks now I'll buy both sequences of books to find out what happened?

Fuck them all. The only outcome is I've stopped bothering to read Marvel or DC comics. I will occasionally still by some collected book of an elseworld's story because they're the only self-contained comics anymore.

Marvel and DC are both trash because of this greed.

That's a main reason I stopped reading so many Marvel books. Especially because the series would make a huge deal about the big event (Civil War was one of the worst) and then you finally go read it and feel like you're still missing a huge chunk of the story.

I did enjoy how Infinite Crisis was done. Everyone at DC knew it was coming and had ample warning, were able to skew their stories to fit what was going on, and multiple writers wrote the tie ins that led to the big event. And then that led to 52 which was a good introduction to the lesser known characters of the DCU. Then Countdown happened and... yeah.

 

[Nick Obre]

What I hate about comics is the way I'm reading a story and suddenly out of the blue everything is turned upside down and characters are different, storylines are different, everything is thrown out because there's some fucking "event".

Was reading some Marvel comics. Suddenly no warning, completely fucking different universe and characters because some "house of M" event.

Can you imagine that in any other medium? You're watching some sit com or soap opera and suddenly all the characters are different because of something that happened on another channel? You're reading Lord of the Rings and half-way through the story stops and Frodo is the villain because George R. R. Martin did something in book five of the GoT series and the fucking publishing company thinks now I'll buy both sequences of books to find out what happened?

Fuck them all. The only outcome is I've stopped bothering to read Marvel or DC comics. I will occasionally still by some collected book of an elseworld's story because they're the only self-contained comics anymore.

Marvel and DC are both trash because of this greed.

Though I agree, the problem is you're not reading LOTR and suddenly have to check out ASOIAF; you're reading ASOIAF but only the John Snow chapters.

It sucks, but they're putting out a large fiction. You can stick to only a part of it, but sooner or later it's gonna require reading a fucking Sansa chapter.

 

[Flaming Carrot]

Potentially big news about Marvel comics. Ike Permulutter has been laid off from Marvel Entertainment, which is in charge of publishing the comics. According to the New York Times, Marvel Entertainment has been described as "redundant" and will be folded into other Disney units.

Will Disney's cost-cutting plans mean the end of Marvel as a standalone company?

Could Disney's cost-cutting plans mean the end of Marvel as a standalone company? Initial reports suggest that's the plan.

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[jspit2.0]

Potentially big news about Marvel comics. Ike Permulutter has been laid off from Marvel Entertainment, which is in charge of publishing the comics. According to the New York Times, Marvel Entertainment has been described as "redundant" and will be folded into other Disney units.

Will Disney's cost-cutting plans mean the end of Marvel as a standalone company?

Could Disney's cost-cutting plans mean the end of Marvel as a standalone company? Initial reports suggest that's the plan.

www.thepopverse.com

Could Disney's cost-cutting plans mean the end of Marvel as a standal…

archived 29 Mar 2023 18:01:09 UTC

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Hopefully the beginning of the end.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Speaking of "same shit, different day"; the big Avengers mini that will set up the return of the Beyonder for MCU synergy for Secret Wars: The Movie started this week and gives Beyonder and his fellow Beyonders ANOTHER fucking origin on top of the retcon shit Ewing did recently.

Ironically, it's rather streamline (Beyonders got their powers from another major new cosmic entity) compared to previous retcons but still....

 

[DaBigBopper]

Speaking of "same shit, different day"; the big Avengers mini that will set up the return of the Beyonder for MCU synergy for Secret Wars: The Movie started this week and gives Beyonder and his fellow Beyonders ANOTHER fucking origin on top of the retcon shit Ewing did recently.

Ironically, it's rather streamline (Beyonders got their powers from another major new cosmic entity) compared to previous retcons but still....

They're letting Hickman fag up the abstracts. I'd say just do a full reset at this point. They fucked up in the 90's when Ultron nuked DC and that got undone via fucking reality fuckery and post-Dark Reign Marvel became pure shit.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Ultron didn't nuke DC, that was Kang and also, at the same time (in real time) that 9-11 happened in 2001.

Ultron basically wiped out an entire throwaway European nation but that was late fall 1999 IIRC.

Both basically had fall out in Avengers, though Bendis fucked shit up in terms of wiping out the storyline growth that came from it when he took over.

Also, this retcon 100% shits on the Hickman retcons AND Ewing expansion of said retcons while trying to reconcile Hickman's shit with Shooter's version and pretending the Englehart and Bendis garbage never happened. The only redeeming thing is that it SORT OF, SORT OF presents Beyonder back in a form similar to what Shooter wrote him as in Secret Wars 2 but at the same time, Beyonder's lore is already a huge fucking clusterfuck that they should have stuck to the Ewing shit if only because Ewing just fucking had a mini-series dealing with the Beyonder that also tied into the upcoming shit that Marvel's setting up as their next big ass crisis crossover.

 

[CowPox]

Ultron didn't nuke DC, that was Kang and also, at the same time (in real time) that 9-11 happened in 2001.

Ultron basically wiped out an entire throwaway European nation but that was late fall 1999 IIRC.

Both basically had fall out in Avengers, though Bendis fucked shit up in terms of wiping out the storyline growth that came from it when he took over.

Also, this retcon 100% shits on the Hickman retcons AND Ewing expansion of said retcons while trying to reconcile Hickman's shit with Shooter's version and pretending the Englehart and Bendis garbage never happened. The only redeeming thing is that it SORT OF, SORT OF presents Beyonder back in a form similar to what Shooter wrote him as in Secret Wars 2 but at the same time, Beyonder's lore is already a huge fucking clusterfuck that they should have stuck to the Ewing shit if only because Ewing just fucking had a mini-series dealing with the Beyonder that also tied into the upcoming shit that Marvel's setting up as their next big ass crisis crossover.

wasn't it the country Dr.Doom was dictator of? Latervia or whatever?

 

[MirrorNoir]

No, it was a throwaway nation created in the pages of Force Works that Busiek dug up to wipe out.

While Bendis did have Nick Fury and Quake kill people in Latveria an earthquake Fury had Quake cause in Secret Wars 4, it wasn't referenced in any other story outside of the SW4 mini due to Bendis not bothering to give a fuck about coordinating with Mark Waid (who at the time had the Fantastic Four running Latveria after exiling Doom to Hell). When JMS brought Doom back in the run-up to Civil War, he ignored everything Bendis was doing with Latveria and refused to acknowledge the damage caused by Fury/Quake or the plot point of the UN installing an anti-Doctor Doom female Prime Minister who just so happened to be the financial backer of the Tinkerer, who supplied most super villains with tech because fuck you that's why, due to him not wanting to dealing with having to deal with Bendis's bullshit and just wanted Doom back running shit and write Doom trying to get Thor's hammer.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Yeah, Secret War was awful. I read it a few months back when reading through various Daredevil one-shots, minis, specials, and other related stuff. I'm glad most of it was ignored; it really reads like some shitty 'what if' story.

It has some interesting ideas, like how supervillains often have weapons and suits that cost a multitude more than what they could ever hope to get from robbing banks, but it's all background minutia. Even the whole 'secret war' itself -- Fury's team of supers attacking Latveria -- is basically yada yada yada'd (something Bendis seems to love to do; not sure if it's because he's a shit writer or if he's just a retard that thinks its a clever subversion) and takes place in a handful of flashback panels.

 

[Rupin]

That's a main reason I stopped reading so many Marvel books. Especially because the series would make a huge deal about the big event (Civil War was one of the worst) and then you finally go read it and feel like you're still missing a huge chunk of the story.

I did enjoy how Infinite Crisis was done. Everyone at DC knew it was coming and had ample warning, were able to skew their stories to fit what was going on, and multiple writers wrote the tie ins that led to the big event. And then that led to 52 which was a good introduction to the lesser known characters of the DCU. Then Countdown happened and... yeah.

they’re trash because they keep hiring writers with zero life experience and No concept of how to write the Character of the book they are on so, they just insert themselves into the story.

 

[Nick Obre]

Listen, it's a book written by a children's book author and illustrated by the porn tracer
Landy and Land
It's a landyland book

No one is gonna read it, no one is gonna care, no one is gonna remember it. The Hickman/Ewing Beyonder lore is gonna stay. this Lost One guy is yet another lame generic omnipotent entity from before creation who will likely never be referenced again after this book.

Also he has hip dysplasia

 

[MirrorNoir]

The sad thing about Secret Wars 4 is that it was, flaws and continuity fuck-ups aside, still better than Avengers Disassembled and would have made a far better story for dissolving the original Avengers.

(Hawkeye, Vision, Ant Man are killed in a terror attack retaliation against Cap over the failed assassination attempt in Latveria; afterwards, Thor, Wanda, the Pyms, She-Hulk ragequit over Cap being involved in it. Wanda meanwhile goes off looking for the Infinity Gems to raise the dead Avengers which leads to her creating a perfect world for everyone when she gets drunk with power from the Infinity Gauntlet then in a rage, wipes out 90% of all mutantkind when Magneto hijacks her utopia to create a fascist mutant dictatorship).

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

DC Black Label has released Waller vs Wildstorm #1, it's odd and the art isn't my favorite, but I do want to see what they change. Already it looks like Team 7 is happily working with Deathstroke to help a dictator out, so yeah.



Apologies for the screencaps, using cDisplay. Folding a comics universe into an older one has been done many different ways, and this is interesting so far.



Anyway, we'll see what it turns into. Wildcats has been pretty intriguing even with Eminem-Grifter.