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[Liquid Kent]

Maybe it's just me. Getting older, seeing an ever changing world and the media reflecting it without even the slightest bit of humor. Seeing everything that used to make you happy turn to ash in your mouth. It has a way of giving a guy a bad attitude and a jaded outlook.

The comedian was a terrible man, and Alan Moore wrote him specifically hoping the reader would hate him, but he did give him one trait I can kinda admire. He saw the world for what it is, and he decided to turn it into a joke. What can you do when the whole world's become nothing but ONE big joke?

The Comedian is the one character from Watchmen that even as I kid, I knew there was something inherently wrong with his actions, but not his outlook. There was this brutal realization that what the Comedian saw in the world was truth, and truth was actually ugly. But the guy mocked life itself, and he didn't care.

Growing up, I was always guilty of liking Comedian over Rorschach, (of course, teens being teens) but as you say, the world has a way of making one jaded and tired. Then angry. Moore did a great thing in Comedian, making an audience surrogate for the world-that-is-to-come.

"American dream? You're looking at it!

It came true!"

 

[Nick Obre]

you did the same with Batman "ignoring rioters" because of BLM, not realizing it was because they were stealing his products, and he was on the way to Joker who stole a bus full of children, kinda took priority.

Don't defend or even excuse that shit. You can have a perfectly fine scene of him prioritizing a bigger threat over regular criminals without going into an (internal) monologue about how society is unfair and summer of love talking points like all those businesses have insurance.

It's the writer stopping the story to lecture us on his political views, and I'm not gonna take that shit.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Ye

The Comedian is the one character from Watchmen that even as I kid, I knew there was something inherently wrong with his actions, but not his outlook. There was this brutal realization that what the Comedian saw in the world was truth, and truth was actually ugly. But the guy mocked life itself, and he didn't care.

Growing up, I was always guilty of liking Comedian over Rorschach, (of course, teens being teens) but as you say, the world has a way of making one jaded and tired. Then angry. Moore did a great thing in Comedian, making an audience surrogate for the world-that-is-to-come.

"American dream? You're looking at it!

It came true!"

Yeah...things are just too bleak around here but that's life. It's more Western animation than comic spergatry but look at syndrome from the incredibles. He was a wide eyed optimust who looked up to Mr Incredible as his inspiration, but when he "let him down and abandoned him." ( not that the little prick didn't deserve it as he nearly got himself killed and let bomb voyage get away) He realized "You can't count on anyone, especially your heroes."

His words; like Edward Blake's, ring differently now then when I was an increiboy myself.

 

[JimiHendrix]

for some reason i can literally not respond or quote anyone in this thread.

so I will just say this. I am not saying you can not criticize shit in comics, I am saying, if you are going to do so, then please for the love of FUCK, at least look into the context of the comic.

every SINGLE person I saw who blamed that Batman not stopping rioters shit not ONE of them mentioned where Batman was actually going, they just acted like Batman saw looters and was just "lol not my problem." If you have the context of it and still take issue, ok, fine, that's you're freedom to do so.

you're even free to take issue with the Joker being pregnant shit, all I am asking is do anything more than reading a youtube clickbait title or a tweet about it.

i do not think this is an unreasonable request.

 

[A Grey Cat]

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for some reason i can literally not respond or quote anyone in this thread.

so I will just say this. I am not saying you can not criticize shit in comics, I am saying, if you are going to do so, then please for the love of FUCK, at least look into the context of the comic.

every SINGLE person I saw who blamed that Batman not stopping rioters shit not ONE of them mentioned where Batman was actually going, they just acted like Batman saw looters and was just "lol not my problem." If you have the context of it and still take issue, ok, fine, that's you're freedom to do so.

you're even free to take issue with the Joker being pregnant shit, all I am asking is do anything more than reading a youtube clickbait title or a tweet about it.

i do not think this is an unreasonable request.

Got it Jim my bad for bringing it up, but thanks for the context.

Honestly Bruce's actions getting taken out of context isn't a new thing. Remember thst for YEARS people debated if him using a big Ole m60 lmg in DKR was him using it to gun somebody down or not. It got so bad that even Zach Snyder was all " but he killed in the dark knight returns and the Tim Burton movies and you people liked those so why can't MY dawn of justice batman use deadly force?"

 

[JimiHendrix]

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Got it Jim my bad for bringing it up, but thanks for the context.

Honestly Bruce's actions getting taken out of context isn't a new thing. Remember thst for YEARS people debated if him using a big Ole m60 lmg in DKR was him using it to gun somebody down or not. It got so bad that even Zach Snyder was all " but he killed in the dark knight returns and the Tim Burton movies and you people liked those so why can't MY dawn of justice batman use deadly force?"

for some reason i have to go all the way to fucking Tor to respond to you, so while I would love to have a conversation about this, this will likely be my last reply until the website calms the fuck down.

but yeah, I didn't mean to single you out or anything, I'm just tired of seeing people here and on twitter, taking 1 comic panel out of context and just "THIS IS IT. THE END OF WESTERN COMICS. THEY'VE FINALLY DONE IT.", which i see, a lot.

but as for people taking Batman's shit out of context, one of my favorites for this is the "Batman used to kill people and use guns ALL THE TIME when he was first made!"

I actually looked into this because of a project I was doing and it's actually not true. While golden age Batman did kill and use guns, he only killed VERY rarely, like a total of maybe 5 people, and as for guns, while he DID use guns, he NEVER used them to shoot a human being. the closest he ever got was using them to fight vampires, like The Mad Monk. All of the shit people take out of context, like that pic of Batman and Robin on a gatling gun, that was a comic cover for like, WW2 propaganda, it was not part of any Batman story, ever.

feel free for anyone to correct me, but i looked into this just a few months ago and everything i've said is completely accurate to my knowledge.

 

[Nick Obre]

for some reason i can literally not respond or quote anyone in this thread.

so I will just say this. I am not saying you can not criticize shit in comics, I am saying, if you are going to do so, then please for the love of FUCK, at least look into the context of the comic.

every SINGLE person I saw who blamed that Batman not stopping rioters shit not ONE of them mentioned where Batman was actually going, they just acted like Batman saw looters and was just "lol not my problem." If you have the context of it and still take issue, ok, fine, that's you're freedom to do so.

you're even free to take issue with the Joker being pregnant shit, all I am asking is do anything more than reading a youtube clickbait title or a tweet about it.

i do not think this is an unreasonable request.

And I'm saying the context doesn't matter much if the writer decides to include such a stupid scene, especially when he has Batman sit there watching the rioters destroy a store while he monologues to himself his justifications, and only then he leaves to stop the Quizzler from raping a boat full of trannies or whatever it was.



And don't you bring up that it's a Wayne TV. It's not a Wayne store. If someone peacefully protests a Samsung telly from Sneed's Appliance Emporium, it's not Samsung that takes the loss for the telly, much less for the broken windows and doors, or the fucking building burning down.

 

[JimiHendrix]

And I'm saying the context doesn't matter much if the writer decides to include such a stupid scene, especially when he has Batman sit there watching the rioters destroy a store while he monologues to himself his justifications, and only then he leaves to stop the Quizzler from raping a boat full of trannies or whatever it was.

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And don't you bring up that it's a Wayne TV. It's not a Wayne store. If someone peacefully protests a Samsung telly from Sneed's Appliance Emporium, it's not Samsung that takes the loss for the telly, much less for the broken windows and doors, or the fucking building burning down.

i don't care about your political sperging, if you don't like the comic, cool. my position was having the context before you make judgements, i am not going to argue with you about this because the website is fuckin' my ass right now.

 

[Nick Obre]

i don't care about your political sperging, if you don't like the comic, cool. my position was having the context before you make judgements, i am not going to argue with you about this because the website is fuckin' my ass right now.

It's not my political sperging, but the writer's. He wasted a whole ass page to virtue signal to the people who make threads on Twitter every month about how Batman is a psychopath billionaire who gets off on beating up the poor.

But yeah, Null said there's some issues with the site in some places right now. Luckily not for me.

 

[GoPro]

Imma echo myself from a bunch of pages back and say

READ DO A POWERBOMB! YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

I read a couple issues. It's pretty good story so far and executed very competently - a feat that eludes most American writers. I only wish the art would be a bit more refined in panels that show characters up close. Having said that, Warren Johnson's artwork does work well for action, establishing panels, and far-away view.

I've been trying to find the name of it. It was a drama of sorts with a female lead if I recall.

Thanks. I have heard some buzz around Anastasia and it fits that description but not the year. Marzi was another bigger one that fits and one of the English editions came out around 2017.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I read a couple issues. It's pretty good story so far and executed very competently - a feat that eludes most American writers. I only wish the art would be a bit more refined in panels that show characters up close. Having said that, Warren Johnson's artwork does work well for action, establishing panels, and far-away view.


Thanks. I have heard some buzz around Anastasia and it fits that description but not the year. Marzi was another bigger one that fits and one of the English editions came out around 2017.

It's been bothering me to no end. I just have a time frame so been looking around that.

One come I've enjoyed over the decade was Harrow County (took me two days to remember that comics name). that's a damn good story. Too bad that it's TV series never got made.

 

[DaBigBopper]

The issue is that the politics are absent of anything other than paying lip service to [current thing] . It literally spits the 'they have insurance' line that MSM ran with (which is bullshit and most people who had stores robbed don't get the cost of inventory and repairs). It makes some gay little quote about the American Dream because American Consumerism and capitalism.
You could have a great story about the Frontier and how Natives mostly 'lost' due to certain tribes breaking deals with settlers as often as the US broke with them. How the Ghost Dance bullshit killed off a lot of good will and how a lot of tribes actually did get assimilated by settlers, but an American writer (or Liberal Western writer) will never actually try to portray the life interesting. If any of you fucks gives me a Franco-Belgian book, I already know it's horseshit. The French and the Germans fetishize the fuck out of Native Americans.

Golden Kamui did actually do a pretty good job of portraying turn of the Century Japan and the struggles of the Ainu. It's good historical fiction and actually goes over the many interests on the island of Hokkaido, and why the Ainu were basically screwed. It also has a parody of the man who invented the boy scouts raping a bear.
The only other time I've read a good Western written after the 1960's is a hodgepodge of Mexican and Brazilian works that are poorly translated because the author hates commies and killed a translation because some commie tried to change the intents of something.

You have this shit all the time. Moore gets sucked off for going a little more in-depth to being a super hero would be hard (but he fails because Rorschach does get results by beating the crap out of the lower classes, I blame him being British and getting Buck broken by Maggie).

 

[Liquid Kent]

It's more Western animation than comic spergatry but look at syndrome from the incredibles. He was a wide eyed optimust who looked up to Mr Incredible as his inspiration, but when he "let him down and abandoned him." ( not that the little prick didn't deserve it as he nearly got himself killed and let bomb voyage get away) He realized "You can't trust anyone, especially your heroes."

His words; like Edward Blake's, ring differently now then when I was an increiboy myself.

Whoah dude. Syndrome is the MVP of young adults with braincells growing up in those post-bronze age years. Whatever he said rings true for contextualizing the "problem" of superheroes in a world like ours, and even further proves even more true now that we're adults.

"After all... I am your biggest fan."

On topic though, I've been just reading older material from Kirkman (Superpatriot), Alex Irvine (Iron Man Rapture and Daredevil Noir) and Robinson (Face the Face, Starman) and heavy indie work like 13 Chambers. Kirkman's love for Captain America shows in Superpatriot, and is on par with how Mark Millar is Rian Johnson-levels of tryhard, but MM will go the extra mile to really do a proper Superman story. (Red Son, Adventures of Superman)

Iron Man Rapture is terminator-virus body horror Iron Man and Daredevil Noir was a great read, plus a simple costume that looked great, I want an action figure of that Daredevil.

 

[jspit2.0]

It's not my political sperging, but the writer's. He wasted a whole ass page to virtue signal to the people who make threads on Twitter every month about how Batman is a psychopath billionaire who gets off on beating up the poor.

But yeah, Null said there's some issues with the site in some places right now. Luckily not for me.

I recommend ignoring Jimi. Guys a bit of an SJW apologist. Unless you enjoy arguing over whether something obvious and self evident exists that is. Then go right ahead.

Yes American comics are woke as fuck. Yes it is fucking obnoxious. No, making them mediocre isn't good enough anymore because it's supposed to be fucking escapism. The escape aspect is now ruined. It's like the gay shit. Maybe you aren't repulsed by fucking sexual degeneracy. Maybe you like tranny shit. But do you like it in everything? Because it is in everything!

No one bought a comic about Jon Kent to watch him suck a dick or protest like a 19 year old Antifa wannabe.

There's not really anything to argue about. American comics can continue to crawl pathetically along with a small coomer consumer market paying for garbage. Maybe the lights will go out. I'd like if they did at DC and Marvel.

 

[JimiHendrix]

I recommend ignoring Jimi. Guys a bit of an SJW apologist. Unless you enjoy arguing over whether something obvious and self evident exists that is. Then go right ahead.

Yes American comics are woke as fuck. Yes it is fucking obnoxious. No, making them mediocre isn't good enough anymore because it's supposed to be fucking escapism. The escape aspect is now ruined. It's like the gay shit. Maybe you aren't repulsed by fucking sexual degeneracy. Maybe you like tranny shit. But do you like it in everything? Because it is in everything!

No one bought a comic about Jon Kent to watch him suck a dick or protest like a 19 year old Antifa wannabe.

There's not really anything to argue about. American comics can continue to crawl pathetically along with a small coomer consumer market paying for garbage. Maybe the lights will go out. I'd like if they did at DC and Marvel.

what are you talking about, you actual autist? SJW's are one of my favorite groups to make fun of because they get upset over everything.

all I said was that if you are going to criticize a comic you should at the very least have the fucking context of the comic before you do so. Since numerous people, in this very thread, have jumped the gun and started shit talking things before they even recognize it.

like, the Joker Pregnant shit actually agrees with your point of view, you realize that right? The story treats Joker, a man, being pregnant, as something bizarre and unnatural. How does that in anyway shape or form line up with SJW thinking?

I have no idea how you could see the simple request of "let's get the full story before screaming about SJWS" as "yeah, guy loves SJWs, just ignore him"

actual brain rot.

 

[CowPox]

Did anyone think it was weird that in Gaiman's Miracleman there's a part where a bunch of kids are talking about school and mention that in their utopian society adults fuck in front of a classroom of children to teach them about sex?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Did anyone think it was weird that in Gaiman's Miracleman there's a part where a bunch of kids are talking about school and mention that in their utopian society adults fuck in front of a classroom of children to teach them about sex?

Either gaimans a time traveler or so high up in the inner circles ranks they let him take a peek at their 20 year plan in advance.

You could almost say the same for transmetrpolitan. That book from issue 1 predicted everything from sex and deviant behavior Rampant in ever Fawcett of society including advertising. To the Troon movement of today.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Did anyone think it was weird that in Gaiman's Miracleman there's a part where a bunch of kids are talking about school and mention that in their utopian society adults fuck in front of a classroom of children to teach them about sex?

Gaiman comes across as a guy who wouldve been outed as fucking his underage fans if he didnt say the right things on twitter. a lot of this comic book tards wanna be rockstars

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

I didn't get a note of approval about it from the story; YM is clearly disturbed by this world. The art is odd but I want to see more; Huey Moon looks strange. Is Liz dead? I dont remember if she was in London during the Kids' Play event. I hope to see Gargunza once more, maybe driven insane by the Andys.

 

[Nick Obre]

Did anyone think it was weird that in Gaiman's Miracleman there's a part where a bunch of kids are talking about school and mention that in their utopian society adults fuck in front of a classroom of children to teach them about sex?

Either gaimans a time traveler or so high up in the inner circles ranks they let him take a peek at their 20 year plan in advance.

I didn't get a note of approval about it from the story; YM is clearly disturbed by this world.

Gaiman does have a weird talent to foresee some things, and despite his politics, in his stories things are presented with some degree of neutrality, or at least not as propagandized as other writers do.

Like in Sandman, there's a story where a witch is doing a spell that requires a woman, and all she has is a tranny; the universe (specifically, the moon) pretty much says "YWNBAW" and rejects the tranny. But later, Death (who constantly makes an effort to be nice to people) lets the tranny take a female form when they visit a friend in a dream before moving onto the afterlife.

In a short story from one of his books, scientists trying to cure cancer discover a pill that changes your sex. It does cure cancer and other illnesses by "resetting" the organism each time, but people use it to alternate from one sex to the other. Suddenly, a bunch of people appear who can instinctively tell when someone is not currently on their original sex, and it's presented as "a skill some people must have always had but was never relevant until now". Said people become important and sought after by governments, law enforcement, and companies, who employ them to essentially clock people who are trying to tranny their way into a job or relationship. or out of an arrest or whatever else.
So keep your chin up lads, we, with our unique and already finely honed trannydar skills, will be essential to society when the reset pill arrives.