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[jspit2.0]

tbh Quantum and Woody was like the sole good thing that popped up post-Shooter/Pre Aclaim shut down iirc.

Ninjak with Joe Q on art was solid for four issues. But yeah, valiant was three guys and there respective people and once you lost Shooter and Smith all that was left was Bob Layton.

It was clear he was all about the money. He dropped the blue collar retro Marvel ethic Shooter brought and the art style Smith curated in order to chase Image and, finally sell out to one of the worst video game companies.

Dynamite is. . . hit or miss at best. I don't know why they squandered so much of it on shit like pushing Faith Herbert.

Because Dynamite is in the business of IP babysitting.

But Dynamite isn't the ones with Faith, that's Valiant, which was resurrected by some investors.

Valiant only licensed Solar and the Gold key characters and wound up losing them once Acclaim went under.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

Just what is the fucking point of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths?

 

[Nick Obre]

Just what is the fucking point of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths?

Crisis events are the only trick left in DC's bag.
And it's not even working anymore.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Every Franco-Belgian comic I read feels like some coomer paid a really good artist to draw really mediocre porn. I fucking hate the French so it might just be that.

You have a point and it would explain so much.

As a kid I loved adult Spirou.


As an adult I hate kid Spirou.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Just about finished bronze aged swampthing volume 1, its become a monster of the week type of story towards the end, i like it.

Also has anyone read Solar man of the arom? Is it worth getting into?

Post Len Wein Swamp Thing V1 has always been widely reviled and for a good amount of time was wholesale considered non-canon. It's only appeal is having been embargoed for so long that it has trainwreck appeal of being a horrible run of comics that have been embargoed for being THAT bad and the fact that you have to chase down about eight additional issues of Challengers of the Unknown to find out how the cliffhanger of Alec turning human but still being hounded by abominations ends up resolved.

As for Solar; the original Gold Key comics are garbage but have some decent covers. Valiant era Solar's a trainwreck in that it doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be. At best, Shooter's Solar is "Dr Manhattan but he has his humanity still in check and he wears an open faced catsuit and fancy visor". IIRC only the back-up origin story from Solar 1-10 was ever reprinted (and long out of print) but it's got some great Barry Windsor Smith artwork.

Just what is the fucking point of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths?

My guess, six issues in:

1. Wrap up the failed and partly aborted 5G abomination that had to be pushed through partially when DiDio got fired.

2. Do a big event with Black Adam as a main hero and Deathstroke as the main villain, with the former to provide hype for the Black Adam film

3. Push Jonathan Kent as the new Superman in a story that wasn't written by literal AIDS Tom Taylor

4. Use another multiversal reboot to wipe out some bad shit that didn't go over well from 5G (most notably the rape of the Green Lantern Corps by Thorne), combined with leftover crap from New 52 and Rebirth.

5. Try and repush the "Legacy" shit with the new SJW diversity brigade of new characters by having them from and center for a crossover

6. Shit on Young Justice as being "toxic" along with the failed Titan Academy kids for not selling, while pushing the OG and Wolfman/Perez Titans again because those are the only ones people care about

7. Give Pariah a proper ending as a character since he got fucked over by Geoff Johns/Gail Simone in Infinite Crisis

8. Resolve the whole "Empty Hand"/Multiverse 2 subplot from Multiversity once it became apparent that Morrison was NEVER coming back to do that second Multiversity mini-series.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Bob Kane, Bill finger, Jerry Robinson, dick sprang, Adam west, Kevin Conroy, Neil Adams, Dennis O'Neil,

Men who made the batman who he is across several generation's...they may be gone but the batman lives on.

 

[jspit2.0]

Post Len Wein Swamp Thing V1 has always been widely reviled and for a good amount of time was wholesale considered non-canon. It's only appeal is having been embargoed for so long that it has trainwreck appeal of being a horrible run of comics that have been embargoed for being THAT bad and the fact that you have to chase down about eight additional issues of Challengers of the Unknown to find out how the cliffhanger of Alec turning human but still being hounded by abominations ends up resolved.

As for Solar; the original Gold Key comics are garbage but have some decent covers. Valiant era Solar's a trainwreck in that it doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be. At best, Shooter's Solar is "Dr Manhattan but he has his humanity still in check and he wears an open faced catsuit and fancy visor". IIRC only the back-up origin story from Solar 1-10 was ever reprinted (and long out of print) but it's got some great Barry Windsor Smith artwork.

Solar is not Doctor Manhattan. Alan Moore did not create the concept of a man with power over matter.

Valiant was Shooter's attempt to realize his dream for the New Universe, a failed Marvel sub universe. Solar riffs on Star Brand and ideas like his Korvac Saga.

Alpha and Omega (BWS origin) was reprinted and so was the first four issues with Don Perlin (BWS oversaw the art style). The rights situation is in purgatory.

Crazy things all around.

DC has given Geoff Johns the JSA with stiff art by Janin. It features Tom King's Helena Wayne. Johns seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. The comic vaguely incorporates the death of Batman (but swaps him for Selina who is still alive). I'm not sure what they're aiming for. I find it all; Robinson homo Alan Scott, King's Batman work all repulsive. But at the same time, the person Geoff is targeting is people like me?

DC also has gone back to the 90s with both Marc Silvestri and Todd McFarlane doing Batman stuff. I say doing. Silvestri is drawing, McFarlane is writing and insisting on it being a Spawn crossover. Silvestri's comic is pretty to look at, if nothing else. Capullo will be drawing the Batspawn book and honestly it'll be addition by subtraction with Scott Snyder not writing. But do I really need to see Capullo draw Batman? Again? With McFarlane writing a place holder story that won't matter? I was on the fence about picking this up when I heard. But now I actively don't want to because fuck Todd McFarlane. Dude hasn't drawn a comic in thirty years. I've seen Capullo draw pretty pictures in crappy Batman stories for going on a decade now. What a waste!

Over on Marvel side we've, finally, caught up with the existing Miracleman material. It's bizarre to watch a content hungry, diversity driven Marvel slow walk this series. Miracleman is prime material for animation with the success of Invincible on Amazon. Add to that how much Neil Gaiman's series goes diverse and it should be a no brainer.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Story goes that Miracleman Silver Age got delayed for several (possible) reasons:

1. The artist wanted to redraw the Silver Age issues since his artstyle has changed over time and he wanted the art to be consistent.

2. Marvel fucked up with their deal with Rich Veitch by only securing a deal for the reprint material, not any new material (IE finishing the Silver Age and possible further appearances in Dark Ages and outside the main book). And negotiations had to be handled delicately as Veitch DESPISES Marvel/DC, meaning that Marvel had no room to error and piss Veitch off, meaning negotiations took a while.

3. Neil lied to everyone and never wrote the rest of the Silver Age or any of the Dark Age arc in the early 90s and at best, only had rough outlines and at worst, vague ideas for how shit was going to end.

4. Adding to the above, once it became apparent that Miracleman was going to be released whenever Neil felt like writing it with major year long gaps between issues, Eclipse was going to put out a Miraclewoman mini-series to flesh out a rumored plot point that Neil allegedly told them about the second half of the Silver Age. That Miraclewoman, would indeed be going to turn out to be evil as implied by the last issue published of the book. The mini would explain why she went evil and kill Miracleman's ex-wife, which would then be referenced in the main Miracleman book.

Supposedly the deal when Marvel bought Miracleman did not include the Miraclewoman mini-series, which was written/commissioned but never published by Eclipse due to them going out of business. So Marvel either had to hunt down and buy the rights to the mini so that the writer didn't sue Marvel and Neil for "plagerism" or couldn't find the writer, forcing Neil to have to rewrite his scripts to remove anything that referenced the unpublished mini.

Also, Disney wants to incorporate Miracleman into the Marvel Cinematic Universe allegedly and yet knows doing so would be a major game changer moment of sorts given the implications in the Miracleman story on the super hero movie genre. So no cartoon. Also, Marvel is legally restricted in how it can use Miracleman until Neil finishes his run. Any new material has to be greenlit by Neil himself and only now, that Silver Age is being released and Dark Age quickly to follow, has Neil been willing to loosen the reigns and allow Marvel to start work on incorporating Miracleman into the Marvel Universe via Timeless.

 

[New Fag]

"Holy Extortions Batman"




Yep £80 for 248 pages who the fuck pays £60 for an extra 88 pages?

At least Forbidden planet isn't mad and knocked it down a bit...

 

[Liquid Kent]

"Holy Extortions Batman"

You should've seen Green Lantern: Rebirth standard hardcover (Circa 2006) prices.
They fetched close to $128. Shipping included, at least.

But this was in 2010.

When Sinestro Corps War hit in 2008, I remember it being a phenomenon.
Naysayers who were 50/50 on Infinite Crisis swore up and down that this was unexpectedly excellent.

I was selling comic books back then and it was fucking insane.
Sinestro Corps was excellent.
But goddamn, Johns.
Goddamn.

 

[jspit2.0]

"Holy Extortions Batman"


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Yep £80 for 248 pages who the fuck pays £60 for an extra 88 pages?

At least Forbidden planet isn't mad and knocked it down a bit...

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You should've seen Green Lantern: Rebirth standard hardcover (Circa 2006) prices.
They fetched close to $128. Shipping included, at least.

But this was in 2010.

When Sinestro Corps War hit in 2008, I remember it being a phenomenon.
Naysayers who were 50/50 on Infinite Crisis swore up and down that this was unexpectedly excellent.

I was selling comic books back then and it was fucking insane.
Sinestro Corps was excellent.
But goddamn, Johns.
Goddamn.

Sinestro Corps was solid, not excellent.

It's a mark of mediocrity that it was that huge.

That's reasonable given its the Absolute edition, yes? Those are stupid overpriced due to being large hardcovers.

As far as three jokers, that's DC logic. They desperately want another Killing Joke, Man of Tomorrow, Year One perennial mini they can package and repackage.

Does this warmed over crap deserve to be treated to an Absolute edition? forget fifty pounds, Thirty in the us.

Should three jokers be getting the hard sale of HC Absolute only that it's getting? I thinks so. I'm actually convinced it symbolizes everything wrong with the trade departments as is.

 

[Registration]

Lately I have been reading more manga, but I want to read the dune comic book 2 that came out some time ago, I loved the first one

 

[Heinous Fuckery]

Facsimile editions are still relatively rare these days. Granted, Marvel found a lot more success doing dollar reprints of key issues as part of their "True Believer" dollar reprint initiative, which sadly got stopped by COVID. DC got into the game super fucking late and kind of fucked shit up with reprinting Crisis #1 and IIRC Watchmen with poster artwork instead of the issues regular cover art. Also, haphazard selection of material (for instance, Crisis #8 got a full facsimile edition but New Teen Titans #2 (first Deathstroke) was a dollar comic reprint. Along with a random WTF Alan Brennett Brave and the Bold story.

I kind of wish Marvel would bring back the True Believer line since it was a decent size mix of random reprints and famous first appearances.

I agree Marvel should bring back the TB line. It's was a great concept for so many reasons. It gave newbies (and lil' kids) a chance to get a significant issue / story in their hands on the cheap, and possibly introduce them to the hobby. Retailers got an easy carrot to pull new subscribers into the fold. I also know early on there was a degree of pissing and moaning that it was cooling demand for the original prints on the secondary market. I found the opposite to be true.
Anyway, what's your opinion on them using true repro covers vs altering them (like TB Amazing Spidey 363 to Venom/Carnage)?

Anyone read "The Silencer"? ( DC 2018 )
It only ran 18 issues. Opinions?

 

[Nick Obre]

Anyone read "The Silencer"? ( DC 2018 )
It only ran 18 issues. Opinions?

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I read a few issues, it seemed like a nice twist on a Black Widow+Punisher kinda character, but I cannot for the life of me stand Romita Jr. art. I know the artist changed later but still.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

I love talking about comic lolcows and Gerry Conway is such a faggot holy shit. He's been complaining about the misogyny of manga. Scott McCloud is also incredibly pretentious because he compared his "im a le epic athiest" comics to citizen kane

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Just what is the fucking point of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths?

DC trying to fix their fuckups with retcons, like they have been doing every few years ever since Crisis on Infinite Earths first "rebooted" the DC universe.

One of the reasons why I find people trying to trace all the "bad" of modern DC to the New 52 or whatever to be morons when all this cancer has been piling up for at least 3 decades now and New 52 was yet another attempt by DC to try and cure it.

 

[jspit2.0]

I love talking about comic lolcows and Gerry Conway is such a faggot holy shit. He's been complaining about the misogyny of manga. Scott McCloud is also incredibly pretentious because he compared his "im a le epic athiest" comics to citizen kane

I think McCloud had a solid Superman kid comic in the 90s. That's all I fucking know about him.

Conway is fucking hilarious. This is a guy who wrote a bunch of comics most fans never actually cared about or read. Think about it. His Justice League stuff is boring paint by the numbers and his Spidey stuff is mostly remembered for him fridging Gwen Stacey. But get him going now and he's talking shit despite having been a tv bitch for decades.

I also love guys like Busiek and Larson who both defend modern woke comics and then will admit they don't read or keep up with them.

DC trying to fix their fuckups with retcons, like they have been doing every few years ever since Crisis on Infinite Earths first "rebooted" the DC universe.

One of the reasons why I find people trying to trace all the "bad" of modern DC to the New 52 or whatever to be morons when all this cancer has been piling up for at least 3 decades now and New 52 was yet another attempt by DC to try and cure it.

Nah. New 52 broke the fucking universe. It was damaged before that. But nothing else compares to erasing every fucking comic book from the 1930s to 2011.

 

[Nick Obre]

Nah. New 52 broke the fucking universe. It was damaged before that. But nothing else compares to erasing every fucking comic book from the 1930s to 2011.

No, from the 80's to 2011. Crisis had already done away with the older stuff.

And that would have been fine, if they'd gone all the way. But they kept Batman and Green Lantern (and some others? I don't recall) rolling with their stories with no significant changes while rebooting everything else around them. So what did happen and what didn't? Like all this GL shit hinges on things like Cyborg Superman, which means Death of Superman happened, but this rebooted Superman surely didn't die to Doomsday and was replaced by the 4 Supermen and...? Ah, who the fuck knows!
It was done because of the ballooning load of continuity and retcons that repelled new readers, but instead of fixing it, they made it worse.
And then a few years later, they made it even worse with Convergence and Rebirth and Doomsday Clock and and and.... All that shit that brought back continuity they'd cleared to simplify things. Now it's truly a salad of what's canon and what's not (the only thing we know for sure is everyone's been gay all along).

Just today I was looking at a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle book that's set after the current Crisis crap. But it seems to keep the continuity of the pre-New52 Blue Beetle book (which is great by the way). So what the fuck? Why even try?

Not even Marvel's sliding timescale is this bad.

 

[jspit2.0]

No, from the 80's to 2011. Crisis had already done away with the older stuff.

No it didn't. The Crisis pruned DC continuity. Stories like Adams and Oneills Demon and Swamp Thing by Moore still happened.

Further, the old stuff was brought back into canon in 2005-6 with Infinite Crisis.

that would have been fine, if they'd gone all the way. But they kept Batman and Green Lantern (and some others? I don't recall) rolling with their stories with no significant changes while rebooting everything else around them.

They kept GL going. Batman saw everything including Year One erased.

So what did happen and what didn't? Like all this GL shit hinges on things like Cyborg Superman, which means Death of Superman happened, but this rebooted Superman surely didn't die to Doomsday and was replaced by the 4 Supermen and...? Ah, who the fuck knows!

Yeah, Nu52 was shit.

It was done because of the ballooning load of continuity and retcons that repelled new readers, but instead of fixing it, they made it worse.

Did it? Or was it that the quality of DC books dipped and editorial made allot of fucked up decisions?

And then a few years later, they made it even worse with Convergence and Rebirth and Doomsday Clock and and and.... All that shit that brought back continuity they'd cleared to simplify things. Now it's truly a salad of what's canon and what's not (the only thing we know for sure is everyone's been gay all along).

sad, but that's where we've gone.

Just today I was looking at a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle book that's set after the current Crisis crap. But it seems to keep the continuity of the pre-New52 Blue Beetle book (which is great by the way). So what the fuck? Why even try?

Because for the most part those stories still happened and were in canon for the most part except the multiverse. Until 2005-6 brought them back.

Not even Marvel's sliding timescale is this bad.

low bar.

 

[Nick Obre]

-It's true, some things were kept after the original crisis. But at least they were enough to the side that they didn't break the rest of the stories, and in any case, over the years, a lot of the titles that went to Vertigo put a lot of distance to the main DC universe, although still technically in it. The point is, Crisis gave a much better and cleaner starting point than the half measure that was New52, and the schizophrenia that have been the later reboot/reform events.

-Morrison's Batman run continued undisturbed by the reboot, but you're right that other books did get the treatment. Unlike the GL books, which were almost untouched because John's GL overall run was still selling too strong to derail.

Anyway, what I think is, if you're gonna do a reboot, you gotta go all the way, or you're just making things worse. And the writing quality is bad enough as it is, so the issues stack.