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Scarlett Johansson said:
Isn't Sue super powerful omega level
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Yes and no.

John Byrne had Sue capable of creating constructs out of the blue at the start of his FF run but realizing how overpowering it made her, restricted her to just being able to make simple constructs and implied that extended usage of her quasi-Green Lantern powers can kill her.

It's a subplot in the DeFalco run that Sue basically nearly dies pushing her powers to the limit during the Infinity War saga (where she basically held back a gamma bomb blast in an invisible containment field and protected the heroes from multiple cosmic energy blasts via force field constructs).

Also, DeFalco gave a vague explanation for why Sue suddenly could do so: she's genetically disposed to being able to tap into a cosmic energy source known as the Hyperforce (which is the source of Franklin's mutant psychic power taps into and the all together power of Franklin and Rachel Summer's kid).

As for why Sue is constantly cucking Reed in modern FF comics; it's partly due to the infamous "Grant Morrison Fantastic Four" pitch that got rejected in the early 00s (and of which, several ideas ended up seeing the light of day in Grant's FF mini-series Quesada allowed him to do after the pitch leaked and the backlash towards it killed Grant's chance of writing the title full-time.

Grant really does not like Sue and despises that Lee and Kirby had her and Reed marry like they did. Grant considers Sue a slut and wanted her not only to fuck Namor, but also her own God-damn brother Johnny, due to the idea that Sue so desperately wants to fuck Namor that she'll even fuck her brother due to Johnny having a similar selfish asshole Chad qualities to him that she can take his dick and pretend it's Namor.

It carried over to the post-Ultimatum FF stuff where Hickman and Bendis had Ben Grimm regain his humanity and steal Sue from Reed, which is the canon excuse/reason WHY Ultimate Reed went evil and became the Maker. Also, why their is a joke about Sue and Johnny (who were part of the pro-registration side) pretending to be a married couple while on a mission.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
Isn't Sue super powerful omega level
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Omega is a stupid classification that only X-Men writers really gave a shit about, well and also Dan Slott. Sue is technically the strongest member of the FF, she's shown to be able to tangle with heavy hitters as time went on. Her actual absorbing her negative psyche manifesting was actually okay and probably could be explored more than making her some secret SHIELD/ FBI agent who is supposed to watch over Reed. She gave up her youth to look after her brother so they wouldn't starve in the bumfuck South. Outside of Reed, she's the most interesting member because Ben is a giant bitch and Johnny is basically just a well-adjusted male from the 80's with a few issues to deal with.

@MirrorNoir Joe Q left marvel ,btw. Please tell us about Joe being a giant bitch and causing Marvel to enact a anti-smoking mandate because his daddy died of cancer or when his irl divorce caused him to make Spider-man (who he self-inserts as) fuck his daughter insert.
 
Speaking of F4, ever since reading the series from the beginning it now amuses me how much adaptions make Reed into an awkward, spineless nerd whereas Stan Lee had the original Reed be a bad ass OSS agent who worked behind enemy lines with freedom fighters, likely having himself a kill count. Same with Ben, to a lesser extent.
 
Gotta say, I’m digging the Warworld storyline over in Action Comics. Mongul hasn’t been this badass since that Alan Moore storyline with the plant.
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I love the Mongul-succession idea.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
or when his irl divorce caused him to make Spider-man (who he self-inserts as) fuck his daughter insert.
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Joe Quesada wants to fuck his daughter? Well I guess he is hispanic...
Kup said:
I love the Mongul-succession idea.
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It's a neat way to keep doing the only good Mongul story, which is "Mongul meets superhero for first time and is Mongul". Fits right in with Joker purposely changing his personality just to keep things interesting. Which is one of the few good ideas Grant Morrison ever had.
 
Mongul succession idea sounds like a massive retcon that is no longer valid or needed to deal with the bullshit where Mark Waid, just because he could, killed off OG Mongul to shill his Satan expy Neron in Underworld Unleash, causing a pissed off Jeph Loeb, in what IIRC was his very first Superman story on the main book, introduce Mongul's identical son who's also named Mongul who looks just like his dad.
 
Mega Man II Intro - GB said:
Joe Quesada wants to fuck his daughter? Well I guess he is hispanic...

It's a neat way to keep doing the only good Mongul story, which is "Mongul meets superhero for first time and is Mongul". Fits right in with Joker purposely changing his personality just to keep things interesting. Which is one of the few good ideas Grant Morrison ever had.
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I get a kick out of the fact that Supes has fought three successive generations of Monguls and it shows no sign of stoppping.

The Warworld lore is also cool, the Warzoon, contrasting Supes and Mongul III’s childhoods, the fact that Warworld I is a Mad Max wasteland populated by savages who have almost no clue that they live on a weapons platform. Some good science fiction and I love that Mongul is getting sone attention.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Speaking of F4, ever since reading the series from the beginning it now amuses me how much adaptions make Reed into an awkward, spineless nerd whereas Stan Lee had the original Reed be a bad ass OSS agent who worked behind enemy lines with freedom fighters, likely having himself a kill count. Same with Ben, to a lesser extent.
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Lee had Reed as a he-man super science guy which was a popular archetype back in the day. Nowadays all smart people are nerds, plus the cliche of "nerdy guy/tough jock with a heart full of gold friendship" is popular and easy to write with Reed and Ben to explain them as an opposites attract friendship. Along with the fact that it "makes Reed and Sue more balanced as a couple" by having Reed be a nervous nerd and Sue a confident woman as far as "fixing" the way Lee and Kirby (and to a lesser extent Byrne) had Reed as a patronizing older male lover who "knew what was best" and Sue the young child bride who needed Reed to tell her what to do.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Mongul succession idea sounds like a massive retcon that is no longer valid or needed to deal with the bullshit where Mark Waid, just because he could, killed off OG Mongul to shill his Satan expy Neron in Underworld Unleash, causing a pissed off Jeph Loeb, in what IIRC was his very first Superman story on the main book, introduce Mongul's identical son who's also named Mongul who looks just like his dad.
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Mongul II had a sister named MONGAL who took over the planet Almerac after Maxima died during the Our Worlds At War event. Mongul II later murdered her in the mid 2000s Green Lantern series.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
@MirrorNoir Joe Q left marvel ,btw. Please tell us about Joe being a giant bitch and causing Marvel to enact a anti-smoking mandate because his daddy died of cancer or when his irl divorce caused him to make Spider-man (who he self-inserts as) fuck his daughter insert.
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Speaking of which, there's a story about Joe I read way back when One More Day came out but could never find it again so I thought it was just a rumor.

Apparently there was this interview where Joe talked about his mother dying and how he wished he had the ability to bring her back. Even saying that he would have sacrificed his wife to do so (I think they were still together or something). So One More Day was just him acting out his fantasy. It was also why he killed off or got rid of every married woman who weren't mothers. Like Jean Grey, The Wasp, Mary Jane, and I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting a couple. Did anyone else read/see that interview or was it just the rantings of a pissed off fan boy in some forum?
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
Ch'p the squirrel lantern?
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Yep. Ironically he had a super tragic spotlight story in the Green Lantern comic in the 1980s.

Due to the cosmic fuckery of the Crisis On Infinite Earth, Ch'p had his entire life erased by the Crisis and the only person who remembered him was his arch nemesis, who likewise had his life erased in the new merged post-crisis universe.

Also, Geoff Johns has since replaced him with B'dg, when he restored the Green Lantern Corps in the 00s.
 
I have now finished all 171 issues of Swamp Thing vol 2 here is my thoughts

Alan Moore: This is definitely the best run of the bunch. Similar to Marvelman there is a level of purple prose here which would be toned down in later Moore comics and can make some of the later issues a bit of slog to read. Despite not being one of the best Moore comics his Swamp Thing does end up being one of the few comic books which truly vindicate the idea of a shared universe. In that not only does the run serve as a high quality and self contained story, but it seems like with every issue Moore is actively expanding the DCU creating fertile creative ground from the long marginalized fantasy and horror sides of the universe that would serve as the spring board for many classic runs for decades to come.

Rick Veitch: On a moment to moment writing level I think Rick Veitch trumps Alan Moore by packing about an equal amount of clever structure and characterization in far less tedious prose. I especially like how he writes the brief cameos from establishing characters like Superman, Green Lantern, and Batman. They all feel in character but provide a sinister edge that you rarely see in the characters main books. The big issue here comes from the fact that it feels like Veitch is just spinning his wheels. His run only comprises of two arcs which both feel drawn out compared to how much actually happens in them. Compare this to Alan Moore who was able to fit a character altering storyline like the Anatomy lesson in 22 sastifying pages which just makes the whole run feel pointless, which isn't helped by the fact that the story is for all intents and purposes unfinished.

Doug Wheeler: Not much to say here. Its pretty uninteresting writing that is overly derivative of what came before. There is seemingly alot going on with Tefe and the grey but none of it is compelling. The grey and parliament of tree lore follows in the worst of comic book world building by giving us details on non characters no one cares about. Perhaps if the individual parliament members had more personality it could have been compelling but as it stands it is just giving a detailed history of something which didn't need it. Ironically the best arc was the saving Tefe from hell one, which despite being derivative of an arc from Moore's ST, ended up giving just enough of a new spin on it by changing the politics of hell.

Nancy A Collins: This run was super disappointing to me after people hyped it up as one of the best runs and cited Nancy's credentials of being a born and breed southerner. The run kinda starts out like this with a focus on folklore but it quickly devolves into a repetitive series of issues about evil men who beat their wives and kids and then swamp thing kills them. The focus tries to shift to the ensemble cast, but either introduces bland characters like gay man and gay black man or butchers existing characters like Liz spontaneously becoming a lesbian between issues and Abby becoming a whiny bitch. The ending finally starts to pick up with the introduction of Connie Sunderland who is definitely the best new character and a good villain all around. The ending also makes no sense as it attempts to punish Swamp Thing for basically a non transgression.

Mark Millar and Grant Morrison: This was the most pleasant surprise out of the bunch. Considering Millar's reputation I fully expected this to just be weird, dumb, gross crap , which this kind of is at first (but even the worst of this run is better then anything Wheeler or Collins did), but the story quickly expands into a more esoteric expansion of the Swamp Thing set up by Alan Moore. There is an over arching mystery which starts with first issue of the run and continuously picks up pace till the end. There are many story arcs which all have definite endings but still tie together in the over arching narrative. Millar even brings in some obscure DC heroes which is something that had become increasingly less common under Wheeler and Collins. Most interesting here is how the ending is very similar to that of Alan Moore's Promethea which had started in 1999 while this ended in 1996.
 
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MirrorNoir said:
Yep. Ironically he had a super tragic spotlight story in the Green Lantern comic in the 1980s.

Due to the cosmic fuckery of the Crisis On Infinite Earth, Ch'p had his entire life erased by the Crisis and the only person who remembered him was his arch nemesis, who likewise had his life erased in the new merged post-crisis universe.

Also, Geoff Johns has since replaced him with B'dg, when he restored the Green Lantern Corps in the 00s.
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Ch'p was eventually killed after Crisis in the awful series Green Lantern Mosaic, which was written by child pornography enthusiast, Gerard Jones. Ch'p was run over by a mysterious yellow big rig.
 
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CowPox said:
Someone talk about Sam Kieth, i heard he started dating his current wife when he was like 14 and she was in her late 20's or early 30's is that weird?
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He was 15 and she was in her 30s. They actually were living together when he was still in high school, though obviously it was something they kept under wraps. I think she was in some position of authority as well, though I might be misremembering. He's spoken about it a number of times, at least as far back as the letter pages from The Maxx.

At least to some degree, it probably influenced some of his works, particularly Zero Girl.

Definitely weird, but AFAIK they're still together 40+years later, so apparently it worked out in the end.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
Who reads this crap?
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just pointing out this is a bit of a misrepresentation of the comic. i've never read this writer before, so i don't know if he's known for inserting SJW shit, but i read this comic and this didn't stand out as horrid to me, because 1. It's a citywide blackout and there was a breakout in Arkham. 2. On the LITERAL next page, which this website conveniently left out, Batman stops a violent mugging, stops Penguin from killing a woman, and captures Joker who has stolen a bus full of children.

in such a situation, yeah, bruce shouldn't be stopping rioters stealing shit, that's not big on the list of things he needs to stop, the comic even goes out of its way to show the items being stolen are produced by his company.

like i said, never read this writer before this comic, but i wanted to give context to this scene since this is not the first time i've seen people bring it up.
 
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