Space Jam A New Legacy - From Black Panther to Bugs Bunny

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Does the original Space Jam hold up?


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Space Jam 2 is the single best argument I've seen against copyright and canon. As a species we've foregone the ability to freely tell and transform stories so Warner Bros. can parade the iron giant and Clockwork Orange droogs in the background of a Looney Tunes/NBA crossover.

Mega corporations nowadays cant make new IPs to save their lives so they will parade what they have instead.
"Why make more when you got an entire library of shit that has been around longer than most executives on the board currently have been alive?"
 
No idea why the 2d animation look so awful, while sadly a lot of the talent has moved onto 3d animation still many examples of well animated 2d animation that is fluid over the past 10 years or so.

Case in point, this from Marry Poppins Return from 2018, the characters don't feel janky like they do in that trailer

or you have this from 2010, which had a budget $17 million vs $160 million + budget.

Or you have the Congress which had a budget of 8 million euros, and which also had 250 hand animators working on it going off an interview with the new york times

The animation of the hbo max Looney Tune while not close to feature film or the classic shorts levels of animation, are still better than what they have shown here.
 
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The animation of the hbo max Looney Tune while not close to feature film or the classic shorts levels of animation, are still better than what they have shown here.
The cgi doesn't even look that great, they jammed so much shit into it that it looks like an ugly collage.
 
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The new line up is just mediocre man.
I like Dame and AD but Klay and 2 women?
Here I was, praying for more Boban...
Super progressive for the (obviously black) female characters to look super ugly as hell. I know it's because of "goon" in their name, but holy shit. :story: Say what you want about the Monstars, at least there's a little bit of variety and personality to them.
 
The cgi doesn't even look that great, they jammed so much shit into it that it looks like an ugly collage.
The crowd shots in particular are also poor for both live action and CGI individuals in the crowd. Part of the crowd seems to be looking in different directions at random or staring off into space unless they are in the front row, and even their reactions to things seem rather random. I guess they must've been filmed separately due to Covid restrictions or the crowd actors just didn't know what to react to due to just looking at an empty greenscreen.
 
The cgi doesn't even look that great, they jammed so much shit into it that it looks like an ugly collage.
Cgi for most of the Looney Tunes look fine to me, nothing amazing but nothing awful, but the background characters where they didn't just import the model from another movie look really bad, the those Flintstones models and Jabberjaw were not meant for close ups, they may have worked far off in crowd shots but that but for close ups.

The crowd shots in particular are also poor for both live action and CGI individuals in the crowd. Part of the crowd seems to be looking in different directions at random or staring off into space unless they are in the front row, and even their reactions to things seem rather random. I guess they must've been filmed separately due to Covid restrictions or the crowd actors just didn't know what to react to due to just looking at an empty greenscreen.
This movie was shot well before covid, my guess to save money they shot the extras on another day, and had them play multiple roles with them later being green screened into the movie, thats pretty common with shows like the Walking Dead.
 
Cgi for most of the Looney Tunes look fine to me, nothing amazing but nothing awful, but the background characters where they didn't just import the model from another movie look really bad, the those Flintstones models and Jabberjaw were not meant for close ups, they may have worked far off in crowd shots but that but for close ups.
I also noticed that they simply recycled the Scooby Doo, Blue Falcon and Captain Caveman models from that Scoob movie with no attempt to actually make them look different. The overly detailed Captain Caveman hanging out next to Fred Flintstone and his digging dinosaur makes the differences all the more noticeable.
 
No idea why the 2d animation look so awful, while sadly a lot of the talent has moved onto 3d animation still many examples of well animated 2d animation that is fluid over the past 10 years or so.

Case in point, this from Marry Poppins Return from 2018, the characters don't feel janky like they do in that trailer
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cjPmDywk4LE
or you have this from 2010, which had a budget $17 million vs $160 million + budget.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BMqpU7lUlLg
Or you have the Congress which had a budget of 8 million euros, and which also had 250 hand animators working on it going off an interview with the new york times
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-_bDtJ0QMEc
The animation of the hbo max Looney Tune while not close to feature film or the classic shorts levels of animation, are still better than what they have shown here.
It's because event movies are money laundering schemes.
 
I also noticed that they simply recycled the Scooby Doo, Blue Falcon and Captain Caveman models from that Scoob movie with no attempt to actually make them look different. The overly detailed Captain Caveman hanging out next to Fred Flintstone and his digging dinosaur makes the differences all the more noticeable.
Pretty sure it's also the same Iron Giant model from Ready Player One, also not seen it but they reused stuff from a cgi movie they made called Small Foot. So I expect way more of them, when rights allow.
 
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Allow me to translate from coonsoomerist bugman to English. "how dare you try and ruin my fun of being a manchild excited for bullshit even as I approach middle age, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a party pooper! "

This is the tweet he was responding to btw which raises a valid point
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Allow me to translate from coonsoomerist bugman to English. "how dare you try and ruin my fun of being a manchild excited for bullshit even as I approach middle age, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a party pooper! "

This is the tweet he was responding to btw which raises a valid point
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Lego Movie's goal was just to make a good movie rather than banking on "I know that ip and I clapped" like the others movies list, however Lego Batman movie for sure hit on this trend.
Weirdest one is Wreak it Ralph 2 where you could cut much of the crossover stuff out with a minimal rewrite and it wouldn't change the plot at all, but it's pretty clear writers wanted to set it on the internet, some higher up on Disney thought wait a minute why don't we do a pointless substory with the Disney princesses so we can sell toys but with new outfits and maybe set up a spin off film which would let us sell even more tat.

If the rumors are true about bring back past actors, the new Spiderman movie will be another one like this, also got Flashpoint movie where the Flash is going to visit Michael Keaton's Batman.

Just waiting until someone cash in on this trend, with a Smash Bro movie, Marvel Vs Capcom movie, Who Framed Roger Rabbit 2 but just with Disney ips that don't fit and a Tron 3, that takes place on the Disney database. All with no worth outside clapping because you know that.
 
with a Smash Bro movie
The Subspace Emissary was already a movie in-game tbh. Might still be pretty fun, but the movie will have to be shamelessly balls-to-the-wall wacky which won't appeal to the general audience.

Will most likely never happen due to messy copyright, though.
 
Cgi for most of the Looney Tunes look fine to me, nothing amazing but nothing awful, but the background characters where they didn't just import the model from another movie look really bad, the those Flintstones models and Jabberjaw were not meant for close ups, they may have worked far off in crowd shots but that but for close ups.


This movie was shot well before covid, my guess to save money they shot the extras on another day, and had them play multiple roles with them later being green screened into the movie, thats pretty common with shows like the Walking Dead.
Are we even sure they're all newly-cast actors? Some of them look like they were just straight ripped from their movies.

But the production values as a whole suck major tits. Even the original, which was already showing its age a decade ago and had obvious issues with its "Big Game" crowd and keeping the characters on model throughout had better production values. The 2D looks somehow on par with the new Animaniacs series despite all the big names in animation they got working on it (my bet is that the cleanup and inbetweening was outsourced and the original keyframe animation underneath it was better) And the CGI is a hodgepodge of reused assets from SCOOB and RPO, crappy new assets for the Warner and HB characters not recycled from other movies, and feels more like "we had to" than "we want to" in terms of how much we see of it.

An update- just went on imdb (yes, bastion of information, I know), it seems they are at least partially outsourcing the 2D animation to Yowza Animation, one of the companies working on the LTC series and one of the animation teams who did Back In Action. And considering their work over on the HBO Max series looks overly tween-y, I guess it's not much of a surprise that the same thing happened here too.
 
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Yeah, I don't understand how the Looney Tunes are being considered "rejects" when they've been in popular culture for 90 years (well, more like 85, let's be frank) at this point. Hell, I remember that TV Guide in 2002 named Bugs Bunny the number one greatest cartoon character of all time. (Porky, Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner, Sylvester and Tweety, and Daffy made the list, too.) I don't know what WB is even smoking at this point.
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Because underdogs make for the best stories, even if you gotta artificially make the popular ones into underdogs to artificially buy the sympathy of the audience.
 
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I don't know how to feel about this
The Looney Tunes should be enough of a nostalgia bait ... But the makers of this movie have already expressed disdain for most of its characters for being so "politically incorrect," so they're going to use all of these other IPs.
>erasing "politically incorrect" characters like Pepe Le Pew
>having Yosemite Sam use his gun to shoot a basketball and the droogs from A CLOCKWORK ORANGE show up as background characters

Pick one, and only one, WB. You can't have it both ways.
 
The Subspace Emissary was already a movie in-game tbh. Might still be pretty fun, but the movie will have to be shamelessly balls-to-the-wall wacky which won't appeal to the general audience.

Will most likely never happen due to messy copyright, though.
If a Smash Bros movie isn't over the top "cheesy but wholeheartedly trying to be AWESOME" the way crossover action animations like Super Mario Bros. Z were, I don't want it.

Pepe Le Pew being too problematic but the droogs being allowed as cameos is the most boneheaded decision I've heard in a while. They're probably excusing it by kids not knowing what A Clockwork Orange is, but everyone who knows thinks it's retarded.

I'm starting to wonder if the FF.Net spergs who wrote mega crossovers grew up and started working on movies. On second thought they weren't, the execs pitching this shit to advertise the IPs they own saw them and decided that was the perfect consumer base to appeal to.
 
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Allow me to translate from coonsoomerist bugman to English. "how dare you try and ruin my fun of being a manchild excited for bullshit even as I approach middle age, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a party pooper! "

This is the tweet he was responding to btw which raises a valid point
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Speaking of Consoomers
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Why is this guy always the De-facto cartoon Consoomer type
 
If a Smash Bros movie isn't over the top "cheesy but wholeheartedly trying to be AWESOME" the way crossover action animations like Super Mario Bros. Z were, I don't want it.

Pepe Le Pew being too problematic but the droogs being allowed as cameos is the most boneheaded decision I've heard in a while. They're probably excusing it by kids not knowing what A Clockwork Orange is, but everyone who knows thinks it's retarded.

I'm starting to wonder if the FF.Net spergs who wrote mega crossovers grew up and started working on movies. On second thought they weren't, the execs pitching this shit to advertise the IPs they own saw them and decided that was the perfect consumer base to appeal to.
It just seems shitty to screw and erase a character like Pepe la Pew, but at then let actual rapist characters appear as background characters in the movie
 
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Speaking of Consoomers
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Why is this guy always the De-facto cartoon Consoomer type
He's also dead wrong by the way, since the 2d bits from the original are far superior to 3d in complexity and impressiveness. It's a lot more impressive when you have hand drawn shit or 2d in general act on 3d planes, since it takes more exactness.

Also the 2d bits of the trailer are clearly cheap shitty Toonboom and that's not good.
 
It just seems shitty to screw and erase a character like Pepe la Pew, but at then let actual rapist characters appear as background characters in the movie
Look just because Daffy is a duck, doesn't make him a rapist.

Or are you just making assumptions because he's black?
 
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