Space Jam A New Legacy - From Black Panther to Bugs Bunny

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Does the original Space Jam hold up?

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You know, for being considered rejects, I'd argue the Looney Tunes have had more attention given to them in recent years than half of the background characters have, especially the HB characters, who outside of Scooby-Doo and Captain Caveman, really don't have much going for them outside of that upcoming Jellystone series and maybe one or two DTV videos.

Wouldn't it make more sense if the older HB characters and LT characters be on the same planet of so-called rejects? Or did Warner think they'd be going too far even though they greenlit this?
 
Holy shit this looks bad. And cheap. The first one wasn't great but it at least looked good visually. Tbh I'm kinda glad it doesn't look good because I have a feeling this movie is going to be laced with an agenda
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Wouldn't it make more sense if the older HB characters and LT characters be on the same planet of so-called rejects?
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Yeah, I don't understand how the Looney Tunes are being considered "rejects" when they've been in popular culture for 90 years (well, more like 85, let's be frank) at this point. Hell, I remember that TV Guide in 2002 named Bugs Bunny the number one greatest cartoon character of all time. (Porky, Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner, Sylvester and Tweety, and Daffy made the list, too.) I don't know what WB is even smoking at this point.
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
You know, for being considered rejects, I'd argue the Looney Tunes have had more attention given to them in recent years than half of the background characters have, especially the HB characters, who outside of Scooby-Doo and Captain Caveman, really don't have much going for them outside of that upcoming Jellystone series and maybe one or two DTV videos.

Wouldn't it make more sense if the older HB characters and LT characters be on the same planet of so-called rejects? Or did Warner think they'd be going too far even though they greenlit this?
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It's for the sake of making the Looney Tunes the underdogs and out of touch movie executives thinking children aren't huge fans of Looney Tunes.

Honestly the entire plot is just fucking retarded and feels more like Ready Player One than a Looney Tunes movie.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Yeah, I don't understand how the Looney Tunes are being considered "rejects" when they've been in popular culture for 90 years (well, more like 85, let's be frank) at this point. Hell, I remember that TV Guide in 2002 named Bugs Bunny the number one greatest cartoon character of all time. (Porky, Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner, Sylvester and Tweety, and Daffy made the list, too.) I don't know what WB is even smoking at this point.
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Not only that, but they have had like 3 cartoons within the last decade and a video game out. Plus Marvin makes a cameo in the opening to RPO, and there's the cameo in Animaniacs 2020 where both the HB and LT characters were given equal focus. I'd argue all that plus this movie shows that Warner either doesn't realize or care just how much of a cash cow the Tunes still are and still think they're not well known even though outside of DC and Scooby-Doo, they're probably the best-known property the studio has..
 
Truthboi said:
Adam of YMS fame has reacted negatively to the trailer

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At 15:40, he points out that there's no point for them to be 3D if they're going into the real world or wherever the hell place the court is in, like what hackneyed reason do they even have? No Tune (even the Monstars) who entered the real world in Space Jam went 3D. In Back in Action, they weren't 3D. Why do they have to be in 3D, because no one knows how to properly animate in 2D anymore without tweening?

I honestly cannot be convinced going 3D is cheaper than 2D, I will never forget the commentary to How to Train Your Dragon where it was stated they wanted it to be raining during the dragon training scene but they couldn't do it without going over budget. Like you would think it wouldn't cost money to put in rain effects, but it does. He didn't go into detail why, but I can take a wild guess some of the budget in all of these films might be going into the electric bill so computers can stay on 24/7 for a week-long rendering session. 'Course, that was ten years ago. Computers are more powerful now and dynamic and particle effects probably isn't threatening to brick a computer/crash the animation software that's up to date anymore. That's why they can get all flashy now. Outside of it trying to shield some bad CGI effects by blinding the audience.

When did it all go wrong, you guys? What movie(s) should we have just let bomb to have avoided all of this?
 
Admiral Mantoid said:
Very slim. Poor fella wasn't even in the Y2K special.
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True, still for a joke about Y2K it was worth a giggle.

Christ4Comptroller said:
Holy shit this looks bad. And cheap. The first one wasn't great but it at least looked good visually. Tbh I'm kinda glad it doesn't look good because I have a feeling this movie is going to be laced with an agenda.
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That's what I expect out of this mess. The studio obviously doesn't care about it's animated properties unless they see dollar signs involved.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
At 15:40, he points out that there's no point for them to be 3D if they're going into the real world or wherever the hell place the court is in, like what hackneyed reason do they even have? No Tune (even the Monstars) who entered the real world in Space Jam went 3D. In Back in Action, they weren't 3D. Why do they have to be in 3D, because no one knows how to properly animate in 2D anymore without tweening?

I honestly cannot be convinced going 3D is cheaper than 2D, I will never forget the commentary to How to Train Your Dragon where it was stated they wanted it to be raining during the dragon training scene but they couldn't do it without going over budget. Like you would think it wouldn't cost money to put in rain effects, but it does. He didn't go into detail why, but I can take a wild guess some of the budget in all of these films might be going into the electric bill so computers can stay on 24/7 for a week-long rendering session. 'Course, that was ten years ago. Computers are more powerful now and dynamic and particle effects probably isn't threatening to brick a computer/crash the animation software that's up to date anymore. That's why they can get all flashy now. Outside of it trying to shield some bad CGI effects by blinding the audience.

When did it all go wrong, you guys? What movie(s) should we have just let bomb to have avoided all of this?
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It's more that movie studios think 2D is old fashioned and not "hip with the kids" as well as taking more skill to animate.
 
Truthboi said:
It's more that movie studios think 2D is old fashioned and not "hip with the kids" as well as taking more skill to animate.
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And thus we're stuck with what they think sells these days.
 
Truthboi said:
It's for the sake of making the Looney Tunes the underdogs and out of touch movie executives thinking children aren't huge fans of Looney Tunes.

Honestly the entire plot is just fucking retarded and feels more like Ready Player One than a Looney Tunes movie.
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Yeah, it's really strange that they're now just turning this into the RP1 "LET'S JUST THROW EVERY POP CULTURE ASSET WE HAVE AND SEE WHAT STICKS"

Like having Baby Jane make a cameo? Don't get me wrong I think "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane?" is honestly one of the greatest films ever made. But it's only known by people who have an appreciation for the classic Hollywood, and I can guarantee that they're not in the demographic that's excited to sit thru a Space Jam movie.

Why wouldn't you just stick with the media properties that 12 year olds would be aware of?
 
Truthboi said:
It's more that movie studios think 2D is old fashioned and not "hip with the kids" as well as taking more skill to animate.
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It's surreal considering how big anime is these days globally, which is almost entirely 2d animation on a fucking tv show budget. That small grace period in the 2000s-early 2010s where a bunch of western studios started trying to ape off detailed anime to a degree really was a thing people took for granted. Somewhere along the way we ended up with them taking inspiration from elsagate shit and the worst offerings of tumblr/deviantart instead and it's never gone back because it's infinitely cheaper and quicker to churn out that shit in theory. 3d animation is cheaper because you need only one model for things but shit gets bloated quickly in cost and can easily look like utter dogshit. Fucking Dobby and Smeagol prove it can be done well but most of the time it ends up looking like the shit in this movie. I'm too out of it and tired to properly word all this shit right, but hopefully shit got across.
 
The Lawgiver said:
It's surreal considering how big anime is these days globally, which is almost entirely 2d animation on a fucking tv show budget. That small grace period in the 2000s-early 2010s where a bunch of western studios started trying to ape off detailed anime to a degree really was a thing people took for granted. Somewhere along the way we ended up with them taking inspiration from elsagate shit and the worst offerings of tumblr/deviantart instead and it's never gone back because it's infinitely cheaper and quicker to churn out that shit in theory. 3d animation is cheaper because you need only one model for things but shit gets bloated quickly in cost and can easily look like utter dogshit. Fucking Dobby and Smeagol prove it can be done well but most of the time it ends up looking like the shit in this movie. I'm too out of it and tired to properly word all this shit right, but hopefully shit got across.
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Oh you got it alright. We make fun of anime and manga on here and other places a lot and all but there's no denying that it does everything western animation/comics doesn't. Take train wrecks like she ra magical girl friendship squad or really anything by nolle Stevens or hacks Studios hired off tumblr or deviantart.
 
Pee Wee Herman said:
It's weird that these huge multi-media corporations have to keep showing us what entertainment properties they legally own in films. It's a very strange flex that the CONSOOM crowd seems to eat up. Funny enough Toho and Universal beat these fuckers to the EU punch 60+ years before any of them attempted it, and in a classier manner.

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They gotta rub it in on how much they own. Its pure flexing your IPs to other mega corporations. Pure hubris to show how much of culture they own and control.
 
Space Jam 2 is the single best argument I've seen against copyright and canon. As a species we've foregone the ability to freely tell and transform stories so Warner Bros. can parade the iron giant and Clockwork Orange droogs in the background of a Looney Tunes/NBA crossover.
 
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