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The Last Stand said:
I don't want to celebrate Sony losing space in the gaming industry.
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I do, fuck ‘em.
The Last Stand said:
We need competition so that they could learn and do better for the consumer. But, Sony does not want to listen. So now, they're playing catchup against a five year old console and a subscription service.
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But yes, competition is important. Can someone more knowledgeable than me explain how good/bad PC gaming is for Microsoft in terms of competition and monopoly? I doubt the popularity of PC gaming is going to change anyone’s decision on whether or not they use Windows, and if Valve continues to make successful hardware, how does that affect Microsoft, given that all their new games are also on PC?
 
Two Dollars said:
I do, fuck ‘em.

But yes, competition is important. Can someone more knowledgeable than me explain how good/bad PC gaming is for Microsoft in terms of competition and monopoly? I doubt the popularity of PC gaming is going to change anyone’s decision on whether or not they use Windows, and if Valve continues to make successful hardware, how does that affect Microsoft, given that all their new games are also on PC?
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Every time someone extols the virtues of PC gaming I'm reminded of vegans and their claims of their lifestyle being perfectly logical.

Because then you see the cracks in the claims because of the visceral reaction when someone has to install a launch client other than Steam or when Epic gives away free games, and then you see it's just the same shit as consoles. Personally multiple ecosystems are the preferred way to do things IMO. Microsoft owns the PC space due to the wide spread use of Windows and that's their software that gives them a return, not what games they put on Xbox.

The Steamdeck does not offer serious competition at this point, less people use steamdeck than they do the high end cards on PC. If Steamdeck and Linux ever got big enough to eat into Windows usability, Valve would have Microsoft beating down it's door.

Not only that what would happen to Valve if there's ever a change of leadership that deemed unfavorable. You can see what happened to Twitter with Elon Musk at the helm which drove a divide with it's established users. Putting the overwhelming majority of your eggs into one basket like that is never a good idea and that's the current form of PC gaming. All your game licenses are good on steam and only steam. The rare few that allow activation on other launchers like GOG Galaxy are few and far between.
 
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was watching old AVGN for nostalgia's sake, and found this gem in the comments:
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SSj_Ness said:
Which is sad because even Witcher ain't that good.
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I tried half a dozen times to get into that and just couldn't do it. It's everything I feel going for it but it just didn't click with me.
 
Two Dollars said:
I do, fuck ‘em.

But yes, competition is important. Can someone more knowledgeable than me explain how good/bad PC gaming is for Microsoft in terms of competition and monopoly? I doubt the popularity of PC gaming is going to change anyone’s decision on whether or not they use Windows, and if Valve continues to make successful hardware, how does that affect Microsoft, given that all their new games are also on PC?
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Windows monopoly on gaming really means nothing. A sale on Steam is between the publisher/developer and Valve, Microsoft doesn't get anything extra just because it's on Windows. In PC gaming Microsoft is just another 3rd party publisher, especially after the terrible GFWL and the mediocre Windows Store.

With the Gamepass push, and Microsoft selling all their games on Steam, Valve broadening their market with Steam Deck helps both.

If you're also asking in terms of their consoles, as in if putting all their games on pc will affect Xbox sales, then ehh not too much. It's mostly about getting money from people who wouldn't buy an Xbox anyway/Would only buy one or two exclusives on it. People already know if they prefer gaming on consoles or pc (Or both), it's all about capitalizing on both markets.
 
Two Dollars said:
I do, fuck ‘em.

But yes, competition is important. Can someone more knowledgeable than me explain how good/bad PC gaming is for Microsoft in terms of competition and monopoly? I doubt the popularity of PC gaming is going to change anyone’s decision on whether or not they use Windows, and if Valve continues to make successful hardware, how does that affect Microsoft, given that all their new games are also on PC?
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It's basically an extra boost in sales for their games. Putting their 1st/2nd party games on PC means they can make money off games from people who weren't going to buy a console anyway. That goes for both Xbox and PS. Steam Deck doesn't really affect much since MS makes most of its Windows revenue off business users.

In other words, PC isn't really in competition with consoles, so much as it is its own separate market.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Which is sad because even Witcher ain't that good.
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I did personally enjoy The Witcher 3 on Switch as a comfy adventure game, a few months ago. But it speaks volumes about the sanitized state of the western vidya industry and how a solid 7/10 title can be (still) overly praised due to the production behind it when all you have to do nowadays is:
-ignore loud woketards who don't buy games and don't hire them as your writers & designers either.
-give us pretty ladies in vidya.
 

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BananaSplit² said:
I did personally enjoy The Witcher 3 on Switch as a comfy adventure game, a few months ago. But it speaks volumes about the sanitized state of the western vidya industry and how a solid 7/10 title can be (still) overly praised due to the production behind it when all you have to do nowadays is:
-ignore loud woketards who don't buy games and don't hire them as your writers & designers either.
-give us pretty ladies in vidya.
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And how it's a 7-year-old game that's still being praised and recommended, because there's not much else to play.

Man, 7 years. Imagine if the 90s were like the modern day, and people were still recommending mid-life NES games during the release year of Super Mario 64. It really shocks me to think about how just, like, a whole lifetime's worth of great games were all developed and released within a fairly short time window. The Legend of Zelda and Dead Rising had a 20 year gap between one another, but now it's almost faggot year 2023, the year Dead Rising turns 17, and that's not even considered a retro game yet. Even I never really realized how old it was until I came across comments on a YouTube video about it from people reminiscing about how they grew up playing it with their dad/siblings/cousins/whomever.

Anyway, uh, Sony Hate Thread, right. The Xbox 360 was a better console than the PS3 because PS3 didn't get Dead Rising. They got DR2 & OTR, but DR1 is the best.
 
Marissa Moira said:
Because then you see the cracks in the claims because of the visceral reaction when someone has to install a launch client other than Steam or when Epic gives away free games, and then you see it's just the same shit as consoles. Personally multiple ecosystems are the preferred way to do things IMO. Microsoft owns the PC space due to the wide spread use of Windows and that's their software that gives them a return, not what games they put on Xbox.
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PC users don't complain when games that are released on Steam are also released on GOG. They do complain when Epic buys exclusives and forces you to use their storefront to play them, yes, because that's eliminating choice. How is it possible for you to use a situation that's exactly the opposite of what you're claiming as an argument?
 
Pissmaster said:
And how it's a 7-year-old game that's still being praised and recommended, because there's not much else to play.

Man, 7 years. Imagine if the 90s were like the modern day, and people were still recommending mid-life NES games during the release year of Super Mario 64.
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I actually see that as a positive in the ways gaming has advanced. Full backwards compatibility means it'll be easier to recommend a last-gen game, versus expecting them to go back to 2 generation-old hardware. Plus people are more willing to go back to older games, rather than "Shiny new product, older product automatically obsolete and garbage"... Not that that stupid mentality doesn't still exist, just less of it.

Gaming is still great, it's just about knowing where to look for the good stuff.
 
Pissmaster said:
And how it's a 7-year-old game that's still being praised and recommended, because there's not much else to play.

Man, 7 years. Imagine if the 90s were like the modern day, and people were still recommending mid-life NES games during the release year of Super Mario 64.
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Except this did happen, Mortal Kombat Trilogy was released on the N64 and Playstation, Myst had a console release on Playstation after it's original release date of 1993, you had Pac-Man a game from the 1970's get released both on Playstation and n64 and Dreamcast in assorted forms. Street Fighter 2 had a Playstation and Saturn release, Even during the PS2 this happened with console ports of Dragon's Lair a game from the late 1980's. Sega Saturn's only sonic game (that is not Sonic R) was an anthology of the Genesis first three sonic titles.

Hell Myst got released all the way up to the DS and then was later remastered for the PC and Switch, and now they just remastered that remaster for PC and just announced a Riven Remaster. Remasters have been with us since arguably Super Mario Allstars and Genesis/Master System ports.

HeyYou said:
PC users don't complain when games that are released on Steam are also released on GOG. They do complain when Epic buys exclusives and forces you to use their storefront to play them, yes, because that's eliminating choice. How is it possible for you to use a situation that's exactly the opposite of what you're claiming as an argument?
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It's not forcing you to buy new hardware or incur any extra cost in order to play, you're still using your own hardware.
 
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Pissmaster said:
Anyway, uh, Sony Hate Thread, right. The Xbox 360 was a better console than the PS3 because PS3 didn't get Dead Rising. They got DR2 & OTR, but DR1 is the best.
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As someone who was recently watching the second boss fight between Frank and Brad versus Carlito, I must ask, were you reading my mind?


I keep thinking PS3 would have sold more millions of units if they did release this for their console, but now I question why Dead Rising 4 lost the fun and slightly the soul that the first two had? (Save for the third, since it was okay at best.)
 
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