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Vyse Inglebard said:
Same here. Built mine a little over a couple years ago, and it and my Switch have kept me plenty entertained. Ninty will still keep making hardware, no doubt in my mind about that. Sony and Microsoft? Not so sure.
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I dunno, dude. Honestly, I don't even know where this industry is even going, because the more and more they push the multiplatform aspect of it, the more and more it's looking likely that a PC is where we're all going to end up at sooner or later. If I can get this 11th gen i7 / 3060 system built around next August or September next year, I think I'll be set for a while. I have a friend who's still running a 1070 after 10+ years, so I think that'll do me fine in the long run. Right now I'm running a 3200g + RX 570 (4gig) + 16 gigs of RAM system, and I think the main thing that's killing me atm is that 4 gigs of VRAM on the 570. It's a good little card, but man. It's on it's last legs, I think.
 
Product Placement said:
I was only talking about hardware , as was the poster who i replied to, Game sales is a whole another talk and hard to get numbers as they rarely report them now, last report I can find was from mid last year. I've no comment on game sales outside that and what you posted about sales for PS5 games in Japan is correct.

I mean at this point in it's life the Wii U hardware sales was around 7 million, far cry from Sony 20 million at the same point. So saying the Wii U even by it life ends number of 13.56 million is close to what the PS5 has done as of now is just pain dumb. You can criticize Playstation without making shit up, and they have lots of shit to criticize.
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20 million don't mean much if only something of a quarter is actually owned by people who play games, not scalpers. Hence the poor PS game sales.

Earth Defense Force 6 is looking to be the second best-selling Playstation game of this year in Japan, but even the amount of pre-orders were half less than with the previous game which sold 111k retail copies on its first week (in 2017). Although that'll be still enough for the PS4 version of EDF6 to obtain the first rank on the next Famitsu game chart, but the PS5 version will rank much lower and disappear already in the next week.
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As we could see for a while, japanese multiplatforms are dominating more on Switch, while the PS5 is struggling to become the rightful successor of the PS4. And the price hike isn't going to help building a healthy userbase, all while we're slowly approaching the beginning of the console's third year.

And the japanese folks sure aren't happy with the recent news either.
 
This price increase is just fucking bonkers.

Why wouldn't someone just pay €500 for a Series X and get 3 years of Gamepass for the same price as 1 year of Sonys games on demand sevice?
 
BananaSplit said:
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We already went with the same argument with Marissa Moira several times in the past: the PS5 is the proof that you shouldn't ever rely on hardware unit sales alone as a metric for success, but game software sales should be taken account as well. And PS5 game sales don't match up with the current amount of PS5 units seemingly sold, as it has been shown with the Famitsu & Media Create charts in Japan. Even the official reports from Playstation for the global PS5 best-sellers were mediocre numbers.
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I've witnessed some of the arguments on this thread and even with Moira specifically. The conversation about game sales and PlayStation is usually quite poor because it doesn't acknowledge very important realities and factors.

You bring up Famitsu and Media Create sales as if Japan is a core market for PlayStation or core gaming at all at this point. It isn't. Looking at European and North American markets, while the PS5s game sales units have decreased coming down from a lockdownerist and less crushing inflation high, they're still higher than the competition (Xbox) by a considerable margin. The other thing is that the latter half of 2021 and most of 2022 have been utterly devoid of new games. Again, you can thank lockdowns and oh-so productive WFH for that.

Despite all of this, they sold almost 44 million first party games on PS4/PS5 (and we know that the overwhelming majority of those sales are on PS5 if the games are available natively there) throughout last fiscal year. I thought Days Gone sold a mediocre amount, but it sold 9 million.
Overall, the number was 303 million games.
So I'm not sure what you mean by "mediocre numbers".

Throughout most of last gen, you had a subset of people that would claim that the PS4 wasn't selling many games, and the direct comparison would be Nintendo. The reality is that on a normal year, the PS4 would sell 100+ million more units of software than the Switch. Being intellectually honest, part of that is because Nintendo hardware hasn't had timely or quality access, if access at all, to the majority of important multiplatform titles for 3 gens now. But the point still stands.
 
marvlouslie said:
Just save up and build a PC, dude. Since I got mine built, I've been kinda neglecting a lot of my Series X and Switch. Most of Microsoft's library is already available on PC, and Sony's losing exclusives like crazy, and I'm beginning to wonder even if there'll BE another console generation after this one.
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There will be one for sure. A $500 console serves the demographic that only buy yearly Sportsball games and, say, Skyrim better than a $1000 or so gaming rig that you have to build yourself. It's just console exclusives that won't exist anymore aside from Nintendo since Sony is following Microsoft's lead on prioritizing software sales rather than hardware sales.
 
marvlouslie said:
I dunno, dude. Honestly, I don't even know where this industry is even going, because the more and more they push the multiplatform aspect of it, the more and more it's looking likely that a PC is where we're all going to end up at sooner or later.
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Everything is going to move to digital distribution and streaming. I believe Microsoft and Sony will commit fully to this type of model and leave the console business behind. I hardly doubt we are going to see anything beyond one or two console generation after the current one. Nintendo might be the exception and they could continue producing their hardware but they'll go digital distribution only for their software as well. The days of physical media are nearly over.
 
 
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marvlouslie said:
I dunno, dude. Honestly, I don't even know where this industry is even going, because the more and more they push the multiplatform aspect of it, the more and more it's looking likely that a PC is where we're all going to end up at sooner or later. If I can get this 11th gen i7 / 3060 system built around next August or September next year, I think I'll be set for a while. I have a friend who's still running a 1070 after 10+ years, so I think that'll do me fine in the long run. Right now I'm running a 3200g + RX 570 (4gig) + 16 gigs of RAM system, and I think the main thing that's killing me atm is that 4 gigs of VRAM on the 570. It's a good little card, but man. It's on it's last legs, I think.
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Yeah those 4gb GPUs are long in the tooth but they are still hanging on for the most part but yeah the 570 is an absolute warhorse, a great card. I'm kind of in the same boat, but I look at this generation of console and there really isn't an exclusive that is making me want to go out and find a PS5 and pay the money for it. I got a GTX 1660 Super just before the pandemic hit and I have a Ryzen 5 3600 and I haven't played a boatload of new games, I played the beta for BF2042(lol) and a few other titles and it runs well and I'm happy with it.
 
The Last Stand said:
Sony is increasing their PS5 prices because of "inflation."

Meanwhile, Xbox and Nintendo respond by NOT increasing their prices on their consoles.

Real smart, Sony.
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Of all the takes regarding this news the funniest one for me was the Japanese players consensus on it: "Hey Sony! Port the rest of your games to PC because we aren't paying more money for that shit!!"
 
The Last Stand said:
Sony is increasing their PS5 prices because of "inflation."

Meanwhile, Xbox and Nintendo respond by NOT increasing their prices on their consoles.

Real smart, Sony.
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The PS Price increase was demanded to be done by Sony Group's CFO, Hiroki Totoki. Who is the same guy who got Sony to raise the prices of some of their electronics earlier this year.
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It was being considered by Sony Group to be something they wanted to do for awhile because in their last report they mention the currency discrepancies.
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For people wondering why America didn't get the price increase, that's simple. Everything is tied to the dollar.

Belvedere said:
Of all the takes regarding this news the funniest one for me was the Japanese players consensus on it: "Hey Sony! Port the rest of your games to PC because we aren't paying more money for that shit!!"
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That turned out to be a bunch of nothing tweets that they wrote entire articles about. The system in the short term is expected to not be impacted, if we're talking long term by that time their new Japanese component factory should be operational.
 
Belvedere said:
Of all the takes regarding this news the funniest one for me was the Japanese players consensus on it: "Hey Sony! Port the rest of your games to PC because we aren't paying more money for that shit!!"
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Even THEY'RE tired of Sony's shit.

Marissa Moira said:
The PS Price increase was demanded to be done by Sony Group's CFO, Hiroki Totoki. Who is the same guy who got Sony to raise the prices of some of their electronics earlier this year.
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It was being considered by Sony Group to be something they wanted to do for awhile because in their last report they mention the currency discrepancies.
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For people wondering why America didn't get the price increase, that's simple. Everything is tied to the dollar.
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I was JUST about to tag your ass. Firstly, I missed your antics since the site was offline. That said:

Why aren't MS or Nintendo following suit with increasing their prices then? Let's make a hard to obtain console HARDER to obtain by making it more expensive! Genius!
 
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