It's kinda baffling Sony still hasn't just created an analogue to the dev mode the Xbone and onward has. Sony might not want to develop a local emulator for PS1&2 but fans most certainly will if they're allowed to. The fact I can play more God Of War games on my Xbox than a PS5 is just kinda embarrassing. The fact they want to charge people to play laggy versions of those old games when we know damn well the hardware can handle it only makes it worse.
As far as comparisons to Gamepass, yeah I don't see why anyone would really pay for the new models for PS+ unless they've exclusively had good experiences with streaming games and I doubt that person exists. If they subscribe just for PS1&2 games they're stupid since most potato tier PCs can emulate those games to degrees they look better than most remaster collections. No first party games day one doesn't help either and makes me wonder why they thought anyone would subscribe to the higher tiers at all.
No first party games day one was to be expected since people wind up buying Playstations for first party games. Horizon outdid Elden Ring on the PS5 for example. The Xbox doesn't have as much of an elaborate line up of first party games compared to Sony and Nintendo so currently there's no real draw to their IPs outside of both Forza and Halo which both feature a heavy online component that even if you got the base game for free will make most of it's money through microtransactions in the long run. They don't have an equivalent of God of War or Zelda which is a complete single player game that will have next to no microtransactions.
No first party games day one was to be expected since people wind up buying Playstations for first party games. Horizon outdid Elden Ring on the PS5 for example.
All this tells me is that Sony fanboys will slurp down whatever shit Sony squeezes down their throats even if better games are coming out at the same time, and I don't even enjoy Elden Ring to the extent alot of other people are. Not surprising since Sony regularly employs the same people who are responsible for the slide that created this regularly shared fact.
Then you look at retards on twitter and resetera who will suck Sonys dick no matter what and it makes sense. That old as fuck article from 2010 or whatever still holds true, consolewarriors are ignorant retards but Sony has the borderline monopoly on consolewarriors who are the most retarded, defensive, and tasteless. One of the things Jim Sterling used to be right about before he became a total cow.
All this tells me is that Sony fanboys will slurp down whatever shit Sony squeezes down their throats even if better games are coming out at the same time, and I don't even enjoy Elden Ring to the extent alot of other people are. Not surprising since Sony regularly employs the same people who are responsible for the slide that created this regularly shared fact. View attachment 3121597
Then you look at retards on twitter and resetera who will suck Sonys dick no matter what and it makes sense. That old as fuck article from 2010 or whatever still holds true, consolewarriors are ignorant retards but Sony has the borderline monopoly on consolewarriors who are the most retarded, defensive, and tasteless. One of the things Jim Sterling used to be right about before he became a total cow.
People really only started buying first party exclusives primarily when the PS4 came around.
I mean there's such a wide array of dead first party series because they were unable to take root and do as well as their contemporaries in previous generations.
Even for you that's a retarded take and that's coming from me, someone who mainly posts drunk with the intent of pissing people off. You really expect me to believe people didn't buy Spyro, Crash, Jak, Ratchet & Clank, etc in droves? Assuming you're only talking about Sony because if you aren't your argument only gets more retarded.
Even for you that's a retarded take and that's coming from me, someone who mainly posts drunk with the intent of pissing people off. You really expect me to believe people didn't buy Spyro, Crash, Jak, Ratchet & Clank, etc in droves? Assuming you're only talking about Sony because if you aren't your argument only gets more retarded.
Spyro wasn't Sony's own developed title and neither was Crash, both IPs were owned by other entities
Jak and Daxter only did around 12 million for the whole series. Uncharted by comparison did over 40 million. But now you had the PS4 titles reach 20 million with a single installment for their newer series. It's quite a leap.
I was reading a few pages back about the launch and games of the ps3, ps4 and ps5. I recall ps3 being a disaster and having no games pretty much, ps4 I can't even remember what exclusives it had close to launch, the only "worthwhile" exclusive that comes to mind is bloodborne and that was nearly a year and a half after launch. However the ps4 did a lot better on virtue of the xbone being such a shitshow.
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the PS5 but to me it seems they had more exclusives ready this time around, demon souls, ratchet and clank... then ports of PS4 games (spider-man) or cross gen releases (horizon).
Ever since the launch of the 3ds and Wii U I have been wondering how fucking hard is it to offer at least a few exclusives close to launch.
No first party games day one was to be expected since people wind up buying Playstations for first party games. Horizon outdid Elden Ring on the PS5 for example. The Xbox doesn't have as much of an elaborate line up of first party games compared to Sony and Nintendo so currently there's no real draw to their IPs outside of both Forza and Halo which both feature a heavy online component that even if you got the base game for free will make most of it's money through microtransactions in the long run. They don't have an equivalent of God of War or Zelda which is a complete single player game that will have next to no microtransactions.
Y'know fair: it would be really stupid of Sony to give their first-party lineup for free as that's the single biggest draw to their console in a time where Xbox has a hold on a shitload of third party offerings. What gets me is that you're essentially paying double to access what you could already access via PlayStation Now. Yeah current PlayStation Now users will have their subscriber fee rolled in (at launch mind you, no word on if that's staying in the future), but that's not really a consolation prize when the servers are still complete shit. And if you aren't a current PSNow user probably because the service was so shit? Well you can just get fucked I guess. PlayStation's pulled all Now subscriptions from their storefront, so the only way to get a subscription is physical gift cards, and Lord knows scalpers are gonna grab those things by the cartload.
If you don't want PlayStation Plus and don't care about online multiplayer, cloud storage, or the monthly free games, now you have to pay $120 a year. Or pay $90 a year for half of what Now offered for $60. You get PS5 games along with the same PS4 library with the second tier, but you also lose the rest of the 1-3 library.
But I could accept all of that, honestly I could, if it wasn't so expensive still. Even if the Xbox doesn't have an elaborate lineup of first party, their third-party offerings are STAGGERING simply because they bought their way through to get them. For $2 less than the PlayStation Plus Essential tier, I can get Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and get: cloud streaming of Xbox through Series X's catalog, cloud streaming, discounts, premiere titles, being able to play Xbox games not just on my PC but on my phone or tablet, and free trials for a shitload of services like Discord Nitro and Spotify if I never subbed to those before. AND I automatically get a Gold subscription for Online and EA Play.
If you're PC only? You can pay $9.99/m ($120/y) for all of that above, minus cloud streaming and Gold (because no shit, you don't need to pay for Online on PC).
If you're console only, same deal.
If you're console but don't care about Game Pass's catalogue, you can just pay for Gold same as you always could.
Regardless of what you personally think of Xbox, or how much any of the above is worth it to you is irrelevant. Fact is: all forms of Game Pass are less expensive overall and simply gives you way more shit for the money, and still gives you a choice if you don't want those extra bells and whistles. Sony? LMAO. You start at basic bitch Plus, and gotta pay for the privilege to get all of that. Otherwise, you're SOL.
This is a bad deal in a vacuum and an even worse deal against their competition.
Y'know fair: it would be really stupid of Sony to give their first-party lineup for free as that's the single biggest draw to their console in a time where Xbox has a hold on a shitload of first party offerings. What gets me is that you're essentially paying double to access what you could already access via PlayStation Now. Yeah current PlayStation Now users will have their subscriber fee rolled in (at launch mind you, no word on if that's staying in the future), but that's not really a consolation prize when the servers are still complete shit. And if you aren't a current PSNow user probably because the service was so shit? Well you can just get fucked I guess. PlayStation's pulled all Now subscriptions from their storefront, so the only way to get a subscription is physical gift cards, and Lord knows scalpers are gonna grab those things by the cartload.
If you don't want PlayStation Plus and don't care about online multiplayer, cloud storage, or the monthly free games, now you have to pay $120 a year. Or pay $90 a year for half of what Now offered for $60. You get PS5 games along with the same PS4 library with the second tier, but you also lose the rest of the 1-3 library.
But y'know I could except all of that, all of it, if it still wasn't so expensive. Even if the Xbox doesn't have an elaborate lineup of first party, their third-party offerings are STAGGERING simply because they bought their way through to get them. For $2 less than the PlayStation Plus Essential tier, I can get Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and get: cloud streaming of Xbox through Series X's catalog, cloud streaming, discounts, premiere titles, being able to play Xbox games not just on my PC but on my phone or tablet, and free trials for a shitload of services like Discord Nitro and Spotify if I never subbed to those before. AND I automatically get a Gold subscription for Online and EA Play.
If you're PC only? You can pay $9.99/m ($120/y) for all of that above, minus cloud streaming and Gold (because no shit, you don't need to pay for Online on PC).
If you're console only, same deal.
If you're console but don't care about Game Pass' catalogue, you can just pay for Gold same as you always could.
Regardless of what you personally think of Xbox, or how much any of the above is worth to you is irrelevant. Fact is despite this service: all forms of Game Pass are less expensive overall and simply gives you way more shit for the money, and still gives you a choice if you don't want those extra bells and whistles. Sony? LMAO. You start at basic bitch Plus, and gotta pay for the privilege to get all of that. Otherwise, you're SOL.
This is a bad deal in a vacuum and an even worse deal against their competition.
And going "NO THIS TIME I MEAN IT IT REALLY REALLY REALLY HAS NO GAMES". Bullshit, what always happens is nostalgia fags can't be sated so once enough time has gone by they look at everything with rose tinted glasses. The PS5 has gotten way more quality and quantity much quicker than the PS3 and PS4 did. Give it enough time and they'll look back on the PS5 launch in much the same way the PS3 is currently idolized and they'll be squeezing their nostalgia boners going " AH GAWD HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED THAT? THATS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW!"
From a business perspective, that makes sense.
From a consumer perspective, that's still such a bad look.
"Damn you're telling me I get to pay $30 more a year for PS4 and 5 games that I probably already own and use Plus on? $60 more for everything that Now had with zero changes? AND I still get to pay for the privilege to play timed demos? Well sign me the hell up!"
C'mon, you're gonna sit here and tell me they couldn't throw PS Essential users a bone and match the monthly price for Game Pass Ultimate? It's such a small margin too, but it's that little extra $2 monthly for something so basic for so much less that feels like an extra kick to the teeth.
EDIT: I will say that XGPU won't let you pay yearly, so you have to pay the $15 monthly for $180 total, so yearly PS+ Premium is the better deal in that department. But unlike Sony, you also don't have to pay that if you don't care about cloud streaming. You can just pay $10 monthly, making it the same price as PS+ Premium. This still isn't that good a deal. If I'm paying to get fucked by one of these companies regardless: the least I can ask for is the choice to have a different, much less painful way of getting fucked.
From a business perspective, that makes sense.
From a consumer perspective, that's still such a bad look.
"Damn you're telling me I get to pay $30 more a year for PS4 and 5 games that I probably already own and use Plus on? $60 more for everything that Now had with zero changes? AND I still get to pay for the privilege to play demos? Well sign me the hell up!"
C'mon, you're gonna sit here and tell me they couldn't throw PS Essential users a bone and match the monthly price for Game Pass Ultimate? It's such a small margin too, but it's that little extra $2 monthly for something so basic for so much less that feels like an extra kick to the teeth.
Honestly the main traits to these services is that they can change on a whim. Games/features get added, changed, or taken away, other bullshit gets tied to them. What you buy into isn't going to essentially remain the same in the end.
It's a terrible showing. $100 a year for PS Plus Extra, the Game Pass competitor tier, with a guarantee that no new games will be on it at launch. PS1/2/P games could easily be emulated on the PS5, yet they're still tied into PS Now, which is an extra $20. Things aren't boding well for ol' PlayStation.
Honestly the main traits to these services is that they can change on a whim. Games/features get added, changed, or taken away, other bullshit gets tied to them. What you buy into isn't going to essentially remain the same in the end.
Yet they still decided to give a worse deal out the gate.
With how much of a shitshow Now is/was? Like you said, there's a reason they're trying to use this to recoup its losses. All this shows is that they learned nothing from its failure if this is their first step forward. And no, I don't have any faith in PlayStation that they'll improve this service over the next few months, let alone years; this announcement just showed that they're not even attempting to try and improve anything. Hell I barely expect the libraries to change! It's going to be the exact same as before, mark my words. If it's not, I'll be shocked. As it stands now though?
Another factor is that there is no cheap way to pay for any PS subscription service.
With Xbox you just buy up to 3 years of prepaid Live Gold cards from a cheaper region than yours and redeem them on your account. You can then do the gamepass trick of paying an extra buck to convert those 3 years of Live Gold to 3 years of Gamepass Ultimate.
Yet they still decided to give a worse deal out the gate.
With how much of a shitshow Now is/was? Like you said, there's a reason they're trying to use this to recoup its losses. All this shows is that they learned nothing from its failure if this is their first step forward. And no, I don't have any faith in PlayStation that they'll improve this service over the next few months, let alone years; this announcement just showed that they're not even attempting to try and improve anything. Hell I barely expect the libraries to change! It's going to be the exact same as before, mark my words. If it's not, I'll be shocked. As it stands now though?
To me it seems they're going to be prepping this for their GAAS shit. They've introduced tiers which means they can expand shit out and offer you freebees for games if you're a certain subscriber level. I'm pretty sure that's going to be the next step. Especially when it comes to multiplatform GAAS stuff, you're going to have people subbing to these services for specific bonuses if the game takes off.
Another factor is that there is no cheap way to pay for any PS subscription service.
With Xbox you just buy up to 3 years of prepaid Live Gold cards from a cheaper region than yours and redeem them on your account. You can then do the gamepass trick of paying an extra buck to convert those 3 years of Live Gold to 3 years of Gamepass Ultimate.
PlayStation's answer to that seems to be Playstation Plus Deluxe.
PlayStation Plus Deluxe (Select Markets) For markets without cloud streaming, PlayStation Plus Deluxe will be offered at a lower price compared to Premium, and includes a catalog of beloved classic games from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations to download and play, along with time-limited game trials. Benefits from Essential and Extra tiers are also included. Local pricing will vary by market.
It's unknown yet if PlayStation will allow you to take advantage of that like Game Pass, or exactly where these markets are aside from "where cloud streaming isn't available".
To me it seems they're going to be prepping this for their GAAS shit. They've introduced tiers which means they can expand shit out and offer you freebees for games if you're a certain subscriber level. I'm pretty sure that's going to be the next step. Especially when it comes to multiplatform GAAS stuff, you're going to have people subbing to these services for specific bonuses if the game takes off.
Cool. Xbox Game Pass already does that across all tiers (for Xbox and Steam) on most of their first-party and multiplat titles, on top of giving out free trials of non-gaming subscriptions (YouTube Premium, Spotify, Discord Nitro, etc.). Xbox is so the fuck far ahead of the curve compared to PlayStation it's pathetic. Even Nintendo beat PlayStation to trying this with MyNintendo's NSO integration. Granted it's lamer than what Club Nintendo ever had and not at all worth it, but at least they made an attempt.
What the hell does Sony have aside from Genshin Impact that would make this even slightly worth it, and that I couldn't already get previously through shit like Prime Gaming? GT7 perks? Holy fuck, imagine the absolute shitstorm if fan-favorite cars they cut started getting locked behind the Extra and Premium tiers only, not even as microtransactions in the game. Solely to incentivize more players to use their service.
What the hell does Sony have aside from Genshin Impact that would make this even slightly worth it, and that I couldn't already get previously through shit like Prime Gaming? GT7 perks? Holy fuck, imagine the absolute shitstorm if fan-favorite cars they cut started getting locked behind the Extra and Premium tiers only, not even as microtransactions in the game. Solely to incentivize more players to use their service.
What the hell does Sony have aside from Genshin Impact that would make this even slightly worth it, and that I couldn't already get previously through shit like Prime Gaming? GT7 perks? Holy fuck, imagine the absolute shitstorm if fan-favorite cars they cut started getting locked behind the Extra and Premium tiers only, not even as microtransactions in the game. Solely to incentivize more players to use their service.
