Sonic The Hedgehog Games

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Which game do you play the most in Sonic Mega Collection?

  • Sonic 1

    Votes: 28 4.5%

  • Sonic 2

    Votes: 112 18.1%

  • Sonic 3 and Knuckles

    Votes: 245 39.5%

  • Sonic 3D Blast

    Votes: 23 3.7%

  • Sonic Spinball

    Votes: 24 3.9%

  • Dr. Robotnik's Meanbean Machine

    Votes: 89 14.4%

  • they're all good in my opinion

    Votes: 99 16.0%
  • Total voters
    620
JamesFargo said:
StH is an evil talisman which Sega rubs when they need to sell games.

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I beat all the stories in a weekend. It's slippery, repetitive. None of it has much depth. The levels are slapped together and ugly to look at. The graphics are outdated, as well. After StH, the "Stockholm Syndrome" kind of set in. Sonic fans are conditioned to expect a certain product, and StH matched up with their expectations. It's a form of entertainment so bad, low-brow and Neanderthal (sorry @Grey_Donovan) that it demands that you completely dislodge your brain while playing it.

StH taught Sega that they can just wait out criticism.
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I’ve only played a few other 3D Sonic games. Shadow the Hedgehog is a work of art for the wrong reasons. A game like this had no business selling well, so you’re right on the money with how the fanbase will eat up literal shit and SEGA knows it.

I don’t remember finishing a single playthrough of Heroes. I’ll be skipping Colors Ultimate since it’s getting the DX Director’s Cut treatment that Adventure 1 got.
 
Grey Donovan said:
I don’t remember finishing a single playthrough of Heroes
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Heroes really didn't need four teams.

At least in Shadow you have many objectives. You have to beat the same bosses four times in Heroes. I already proved I can do it once. That's not counting the obnoxious "Robot Storm" sections.

That may explain why folks are harder on it. Still, I find it perplexing: Heroes is a functional game, which is more than I can say for Shadow, '06, or Forces. Those are unquestioningly broken games, but people seem to love them.
 
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JamesFargo said:
Heroes really didn't need four teams.

At least with StH you have many objectives. You have to beat the same bosses four times in Heroes. I already proved I can do it once. That's not counting the obnoxious "Robot Storm" sections.

That may explain why folks are harder on it. Still, I find it perplexing: Ordinarily, you'd blame it on a cocktail of nostalgia. followed by something worse coming along. But Heroes is a functional game, which is more than we can say for Shadow, '06, or Forces. Those are unquestioningly broken games, but people seem to love them.
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People love Forces? Shadow and '06 are old enough for nostalgia, but Forces is supposedly very bad and is the latest game in the series. It seems like shit.

Anyway, outside of nostalgia I only really like Sonic 2, Mania, and Adventure, personally. The rest range from bad to just okay.
 
Grey Donovan said:
For years I’ve heard about the alleged abomination that is Shadow the Hedgehog, and I remember a GameStop employee discouraging me from buying it as a kid lol.

Curiosity and individuality got the better of me, so I played through the game’s 10 endings + last story, got A ranks on all missions, and did an expert mode playthrough. Final verdict? Not as bad as people made it seem. The music is decent for most levels, the writing is so bad it’s good, and the core gameplay was just enjoyable enough to keep me interested in the immense replay value the game offered.

Another few months in the oven would have made this one of the better 3D Sonic games. It fascinates me how subversive this game is compared to the typical Sonic games. I will admit that a handful of missions were cheesed thanks to a chaos control glitch, but it was fun to watch Shadow skip over levels and give me free A ranks.
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This might make me autistic, but I still don't understand how Shadow the Hedgehog is considered so bad. It might come from ages of playing it repeatedly as a kid, but the complaints about the controls just don't make sense to me. They're not that bad compared to some of the other games honestly.

The most I can really say is that the writing is awful, bordering on parody at times. ("This is like taking candy from a baby, which is fine by me.") I think that really compliments the fact that it's the perfect generic 2000s edgelord simulator, but with Sonic characters instead of people.

Plus, you can't tell me that the intro wasn't the coolest shit ever to watch as a kid. As a child this shit blew my fucking mind.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
This might make me autistic, but I still don't understand how Shadow the Hedgehog is considered so bad. It might come from ages of playing it repeatedly as a kid, but the complaints about the controls just don't make sense to me. They're not that bad compared to some of the other games honestly.

The most I can really say is that the writing is awful, bordering on parody at times. ("This is like taking candy from a baby, which is fine by me.") I think that really compliments the fact that it's the perfect generic 2000s edgelord simulator, but with Sonic characters instead of people.

Plus, you can't tell me that the intro wasn't the coolest shit ever to watch as a kid. As a child this shit blew my fucking mind.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jPWrHPNekvE
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It's bad
But I've had more fun going back to it than playing something as soulless as Forces.
But like Heroes, the pain doesn't really start until your going for the true ending.
 
JamesFargo said:
I f**king guarantee you: nobody outside of the fandom finds Shadow "Mom said it's my turn to XBox" cool.
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I think it's a nostalgia thing honestly, I remember being a kid and popping that game in my Xbox and getting blown away.
I've been a Sonicfag for ages, so I guess I don't have that outsider perspective lol.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
This might make me autistic, but I still don't understand how Shadow the Hedgehog is considered so bad. It might come from ages of playing it repeatedly as a kid, but the complaints about the controls just don't make sense to me. They're not that bad compared to some of the other games honestly.

The most I can really say is that the writing is awful, bordering on parody at times. ("This is like taking candy from a baby, which is fine by me.") I think that really compliments the fact that it's the perfect generic 2000s edgelord simulator, but with Sonic characters instead of people.

Plus, you can't tell me that the intro wasn't the coolest shit ever to watch as a kid. As a child this shit blew my fucking mind.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jPWrHPNekvE
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As ridiculous as it was, Shadow the Hedgehog accomplished precisely what it set out to do.

It’s a try hard power fantasy marketed towards the very audience that wanted games like it at the time. Like most Sonic games the soundtrack has some gems. The camera and movement controls were the main things that needed tweaking. I got used to them after a while, but they were definitely a chore in some levels.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
This might make me autistic, but I still don't understand how Shadow the Hedgehog is considered so bad. It might come from ages of playing it repeatedly as a kid, but the complaints about the controls just don't make sense to me. They're not that bad compared to some of the other games honestly.
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It's an edgelord's game.


The vehicles are slow and unnecessary.

Except, of course, the Black Volt.



And nearly everything that you see can be resolved by pointing a gun at it.
 
NerdShamer said:
It's an edgelord's game.
And nearly everything that you see can be resolved by pointing a gun at it.
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These two just do it for me from time to time. I won't try to argue that it's a GOOD or even GREAT game because... well it has plenty of flaws.
I just think it gets a lot of unnecessary heat, and I never really understood why it's SO maligned by most of the fanbase at large.


NerdShamer said:
The vehicles are slow and unnecessary.
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This is one of those flaws I mentioned previously, the vehicles are cool the first time you use them until you realize you outpace them on foot by a giant margin.
Shadow on a motorcycle is just for style points.
 
Zulu Warrior said:
I just think it gets a lot of unnecessary heat, and I never really understood why it's SO maligned by most of the fanbase at large
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Because a sizeable chunk of the fanbase is worth laughing at because they hate change, but they also don't know what they want.


And this also exists.
 
Having accomplished his mission, Shadow is a character without purpose. Silver has the same dilemma.

It honestly feels like the last 25 years have been a 'lost generation' for Sonic.
  • Sonic Team is treated as probation for game developers
  • Sega is more focused on promoting a global 'brand' than making games
  • Iizuka seems to take feedback from people who didn’t like Sonic in the first place. (Lost World was made so Nintendo players could feel at home with Sonic!)
It also yielded some of the weirder fans. :medallion:
 
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JamesFargo said:
Having accomplished his mission, Shadow is a character without purpose. Silver has the same dilemma.
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That would be a problem if they tried to expand on their character arcs, but they mostly play a supporting role. The only character that I'd say has no purpose being around is Silver seeing as his reason for being here has been resolved.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
That would be a problem if they tried to expand on their character arcs, but they mostly play a supporting role. The only character that I'd say has no purpose being around is Silver seeing as his reason for being here has been resolved.
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So you're saying it's no use for Silver to be there
 
Grey Donovan said:
For years I’ve heard about the alleged abomination that is Shadow the Hedgehog, and I remember a GameStop employee discouraging me from buying it as a kid lol.

Curiosity and individuality got the better of me, so I played through the game’s 10 endings + last story, got A ranks on all missions, and did an expert mode playthrough. Final verdict? Not as bad as people made it seem. The music is decent for most levels, the writing is so bad it’s good, and the core gameplay was just enjoyable enough to keep me interested in the immense replay value the game offered.

Another few months in the oven would have made this one of the better 3D Sonic games. It fascinates me how subversive this game is compared to the typical Sonic games. I will admit that a handful of missions were cheesed thanks to a chaos control glitch, but it was fun to watch Shadow skip over levels and give me free A ranks.
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Shadow the hedgehog is more or less sega attempting to make an entire game out of the weird shit in Team Chaotix's gameplay in Sonic Heroes. It's a sloppy as hell spinoff finale to the adventure timeline but compared to the series reboot attempt game that came afterwards it's a fucking masterpiece. I played it for shits and giggles way back in the day when it came out expecting it to be utterly unplayable trash but had the same experience of "well shit that wasn't as bad as people were hyping it to be"
 
FAQnews Correspondent said:
So you're saying it's no use for Silver to be there
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The hell is Shadow's "supporting role", anyway?

And don't give me that he's like Vegeta bs. He's just angry. Angry at nothing.

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