Sonic The Hedgehog Games

[Friendly Primarina]

Two new screenshots of Shadow Generations (side note, but Sega, please stop giving screenshots of the Sonic Generations remaster. It looks the exact same. Nobody cares.)

This is the level with the spinning X signs from SA2, isn't it. It's weird how some levels I can remember the look, the feel, the music etc. but just blank on the name. Anyone else have levels like that? I just looked it up and it's called Sky Rail. Though in 6 months' time I'll have just forgotten again. It's weird.

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

Does anyone in Japan even give a fuck about Sonic?

 

[starborn427614]

This is the level with the spinning X signs from SA2, isn't it. It's weird how some levels I can remember the look, the feel, the music etc. but just blank on the name. Anyone else have levels like that? I just looked it up and it's called Sky Rail. Though in 6 months' time I'll have just forgotten again. It's weird.

It's actually Bullet Station from Heroes, but it and Sky Rail do look similar (minus the lighting). In regards to Generations, SEGA posted these tweets earlier.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

In regards to Generations, SEGA posted these tweets earlier.

>Will be available in bundles only
That's actually worse... that means people will have to buy the BAD 3D games in order to play one of the only GOOD ones.

 

[MugolEx]

Does anyone in Japan even give a fuck about Sonic?

You know, I always seen Sonic as an American\Western thing to the point that I tend to forget it's a Japanese creation to start. Seems like that whole "lets make something that will appeal to western audiences" worked out to well. Because I only ever see westerners give a shit about Sonic.

 

[The Lawgiver]

It's actually Bullet Station from Heroes, but it and Sky Rail do look similar (minus the lighting). In regards to Generations, SEGA posted these tweets earlier.

And I only find out it's getting removed today. haha fun. Oh well its windows only anyways so my ass is still fucked if I want to play on pc even if I get the bundle version.
By the way, was OG generations one of the games that retroactively got the denuvo treatment? IIRC sega's still putting that shit in games' PC ports even though they know it tanks the fucking performance and sometimes fries pcs.

Does anyone in Japan even give a fuck about Sonic?

I mean they probably do. There's a lot more sonic promo shit over there and it took corona lockdown implosion BS to kill the last big Sega arcade. The ones in europe and australia died notoriously forever ago during the 2000s and their promo statues went missing only to show up in REALLY WEIRD places. One of the funniest of those being the waterside one from Australia that randomly showed up with sonic missing an arm and sally buried in the fucking ground next to some fucking junkyard guy's mailbox.

You know, I always seen Sonic as an American\Western thing to the point that I tend to forget it's a Japanese creation to start. Seems like that whole "lets make something that will appeal to western audiences" worked out to well. Because I only ever see westerners give a shit about Sonic.

It was more of a collaborative back and forth between sega's jp and US branch with how the games got made/developed IIRC. At least at the start.
Western sonic fans got the whole swath of people infamous for screeching over added character details or the games taking place on earth instead of some localization exclusive "alien planet mobius" backstory that was never in the actual fucking games which led to the weird half assed "two worlds"or the bizarre censoring all mentions of "the world" or "earth" to "sonic's world" they did for a short spat a few years ago. Keep in mind since we mainly just speak english here we've only been exposed to the english speaking world's sonic fans lmao. Apparently sonic's extremely popular in Brazil from what I remember in terms of weird game popularity trivia.

EDIT: Speaking of sonic and Brazil I just remembered this shit from some Sega branded Brazillian game show that became a meme a few years back.

 

[el bandito loco]

I looked on Japanese Sonic twitter one time right after it came out and google translated it and it was a bunch of japs saying frontiers was dog shit american writing which had been plaguing sonic for far too long and they wanted japanese people only to work on it because western sonic is faggot shit. it was hilarious. no idea if they all feel that way or it was just the threads I found. made me laugh though.

 

[The Lawgiver]

I looked on Japanese Sonic twitter one time right after it came out and google translated it and it was a bunch of japs saying frontiers was dog shit american writing which had been plaguing sonic for far too long and they wanted japanese people only to work on it because western sonic is faggot shit. it was hilarious. no idea if they all feel that way or it was just the threads I found. made me laugh though.

The JP release of frontiers infamously did what US localizations of games have been doing the last few years where they completely butcher some character dialogue and scripts to remove all mentions of love in general, as well as positive/friendly emotions towards someone from the antagonist that make them a character instead of just "da bad guy". Eggman is a character you do NOT fucking do that shit with he's got the goofy fucker genes baked into his design. Frontiers was made by the US branch of SEGA IIRC which means it's literally a bizzare case where they got the california localizer treatment but from the side that normally doesn't pull that shit. I can't find the subbed comparisons anymore that point this out but when the game first came out people were losing their shit and laughing about it.

 

[GigantorUnitron]

I looked on Japanese Sonic twitter one time right after it came out and google translated it and it was a bunch of japs saying frontiers was dog shit american writing which had been plaguing sonic for far too long and they wanted japanese people only to work on it because western sonic is faggot shit. it was hilarious. no idea if they all feel that way or it was just the threads I found. made me laugh though.

That's fucking hilarous. That's like a bunch of americans saying the same thing about yakuza. Yeah I know Sonic was made in Japan first, but where the fuck were these guys beforehand? You think with all the sonic autism cataloguing that there'd be more examples of what you just said on the western net.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Yeah I know Sonic was made in Japan first, but where the fuck were these guys beforehand?

I'm pretty sure Yuji Naka insisted on an all-Japanese dev team for Sonic 2 or 3, one of the big classic ones.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I'm pretty sure Yuji Naka insisted on an all-Japanese dev team for Sonic 2 or 3, one of the big classic ones.

Wasn't there a competition with the US and JP branches to see who can come up with the better Sonic Sequel? I distinctly remember Sonic CD was supposed to be the "true" Sonic 2 but for whatever reason the actual US Sonic 2 wound up being the winner. Both games were fooling around with the idea of time travel as the main focus of the game until the US Sonic 2 axed that out of one of their 15 bajillion betas.

 

[el bandito loco]

Wasn't there a competition with the US and JP branches to see who can come up with the better Sonic Sequel? I distinctly remember Sonic CD was supposed to be the "true" Sonic 2 but for whatever reason the actual US Sonic 2 wound up being the winner. Both games were fooling around with the idea of time travel as the main focus of the game until the US Sonic 2 axed that out of one of their 15 bajillion betas.

the US developed Sonic 2 wasn't really a US developed game though. they flew in a bunch of the Japanese team to work on it and basically axed 80% of anything the American team did prompting people to leave halfway and stuff, and they ignored all the American input. it was developed IN America but wasn't an American product by the time it was done. Naka couldn't stand working with the American team and treated them like shit and ignored them. it ended up being like 80/20 split Japanese.

 

[Punished Magician]

the US developed Sonic 2 wasn't really a US developed game though. they flew in a bunch of the Japanese team to work on it and basically axed 80% of anything the American team did prompting people to leave halfway and stuff, and they ignored all the American input. it was developed IN America but wasn't an American product by the time it was done. Naka couldn't stand working with the American team and treated them like shit and ignored them. it ended up being like 80/20 split Japanese.

Yeah, whenever you hear about a Sonic game developed by SoA, it usually just means the japanese dudes flew down to yankeeland so the japanese executives wouldn't be breathing down their necks and they could have some more freedom in how they did things. Go to the credits and you won't exactly see a bunch of dudes named Eric and Bob.

 

[el bandito loco]

Yeah, whenever you hear about a Sonic game developed by SoA, it usually just means the japanese dudes flew down to yankeeland so the japanese executives wouldn't be breathing down their necks and they could have some more freedom in how they did things. Go to the credits and you won't exactly see a bunch of dudes named Eric and Bob.

I remember reading that Yasuhara liked working with the Americans and wanted to use more of their work but Naka basically axed it. and it checks out Yasuhara must have because he came back to America to make the Jak and Daxter trilogy later on. but you can tell with Sonic 2 just on aesthetics, why the fuck would pre internet in 1992 would Americans make a game that rips off Dragon Ball Z? Sonic goes Super Sayian and him and Tails is supposed to be his Gohan according to the Japanese guys who worked on it. only one American level designer's work remained in the final game. that's why there were so many betas and different versions prerelease of Sonic 2 is Naka had the japanese guys made the game they (he) wanted to make, let the US branch of sega think they were working on it, but almost nothing they did had anything to do with or was included the final product outside of Tails being called Tails and that was by design. in all honesty in retrospect, it was a waste of time and money for them to even come here to work on it but it gave Naka more creative control so maybe it was for the best. I think anyone who thinks Sonic 2 is better than 3&K is insane, but most people have the opinion it was the best game of the series (and it is great) so they did something right.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I think anyone who thinks Sonic 2 is better than 3&K is insane

I agree 100%

but most people have the opinion it was the best game of the series (and it is great)

Sonic 2 is good, even better than Sonic 1 in some aspects, but it is not the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ that 99.9% of the fandom like to claim it is. Sonic 1 focused more on platforming and hooked people in with the loop-de-loops and speeding S-Loop hole gimmic to "show off" the capabilities of the Genesis. That whole "blast processing" meme didn't go into full effect until Sonic 2, which wound up being (mostly) about speed, which even then you had to scout out the entire level to figure out the shortcuts and straighter paths to the end. Mystic Cave is not "fast". Metropolis is not "fast", in fact that one in particular I'd argue you HAD to take your time with that because everything in that zone tried to fucking kill you.

Sonic 3&K is that perfect blend of good platforming and fast speed, plus it's a bigger game than both Sonic 1 and 2. The fact that it's constantly sidelined not only by the fans, but treated like shit by Sega themselves (the origins collection being the most egregious of sins) is a crime in itself.

 

[SmallKiwi]

It's actually Bullet Station from Heroes, but it and Sky Rail do look similar (minus the lighting). In regards to Generations, SEGA posted these tweets earlier.

I still wonder why Sonic Generations even got a remaster to begin with. That game was meant to celebrate Sonic's 20th anniversary, what significance does it have now? And all that for the dumb nigger Sonic OC, Shadow? I hope that the game is as buggy as the Sonic Colors remaster. Delisting the original was the worst thing they could have done. They did this before when Sonic Origins released, and they still didn't learn.

 

[el bandito loco]

I still wonder why Sonic Generations even got a remaster to begin with. That game was meant to celebrate Sonic's 20th anniversary, what significance does it have now? And all that for the dumb nigger Sonic OC, Shadow? I hope that the game is as buggy as the Sonic Colors remaster. Delisting the original was the worst thing they could have done. They did this before when Sonic Origins released, and they still didn't learn.

it's so when the new movie comes out they have a game out at the same time, and featuring shadow. it's so they didn't have to try to scramble to get a new game out, and it's old enough now a graphical facelift makes sense (although unnecessary) and they could just develop a short little additional campaign featuring shadow as a movie tie-in release. kids who don't know dick about sonic will walk out of the movie, and see it on their console's marketplace or in a walmart with Shadow on the cover, and ask for it. simple as.

 

[Pixy]

Given SEGA's history of movie tie-in games and their lack of quality, this was probably the safest way of doing it.

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

That panel at least reads like a joke out of either the last few modern games or the kinda shit those livestreams where the VAs answer outlandish stuff people send in "in character" (blatantly an excuse to goof off when you actually listen to it lmao) the last several years. Actually might've actually originated/been borrowed from one of those because it's weirdly a familiar joke to me despite never seeing this comic panel before down to the abrupt cut away from the song lyric joke to just go "agree to disagree". I've seen some egregious ass shit in terms of dialogue from these comics' out of context panels though.

...God that platypus fucker always looks so fucking out of place whenever I see him. Somehow the white knuckles evil doctor guy from archie he's meant to be a "replacement" for has infinitely more swag.

Dude, my Sonic OC looks more like he could fit in than Starline does.

And i'm confident enough in saying that, that i'm willing to show him off to prove a point.

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

What else can you expect from the largest fistula in the sonic fandom? Chris was cut from that group whole cloth.

The funniest thing is, i'm not much of an SatAM fan. I even used to be a Sonamy stan when that drama was going on, but when their true colors were shown, and I got more context of what was going on, I switched sides out of principle.