Something Awful and Friends - The roller-coaster train-wreck embarrassing downfall of a Web 1.0 giant and its tick offspring like from Cloverfield

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Really hoping that SA stays up now that the actual sale is confirmed, just to be a secondary asylum to Resetera.
The patreon is sub-1K now, I wonder if we're going to get a new one for the forums themselves rather than Lowtax.

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You're joking, right? It's been insanely profitable, especially given the low overheads and amount of effort Owetax put in to it. If he'd actually invested some of those profits in growing the business, instead of squandering it all on low-end sports cars, child support and pills, it could have been Reddit a decade before Reddit existed.

No, it hasn't been "insanely profitable". Where are you getting that from? But yeah, it had the chance to be Reddit before that was a thing, but he squandered the opportunity in exchange for worthless lols.
 
How do you figure that it hasn't been profitable? It's Lowtax's only source of income, how would it still even exist if it weren't profitable?

It being his only source of income doesn't make it profitable. In fact, that's the whole point of calculating P&L. If the site + Patreon gross $n per month, and he spends $n per month, that's not profit.

In fact, for the number of times he's had to run fundraisers for various site related things (e.g. server hosting, upgrades etc), it was already clear that it wasn't "profitable".

And no, SA isn't - and never was - his only source of income. That people think he's been forthcoming is the most hilarious part of all what's going on. It's complete bs - and only his tax returns and the site's P&L ledger (if there is one) would have the answers.

My guess is that the buyer has a good idea of what the site makes or he wouldn't have settled on buying it for a low sum as $150K.
 
I will give credit to this post for one thing. It's extremely fucking tiring when posters on places like Something Awful, ResetEra, MetaFilter and RPG.net can't stop acting like the site is filled with alt-right Nazis looking to murder the good and righteous users.

Over and over again, the majority act like they are the oppressed minority, even when their political beliefs are the only acceptable perspective or their race/ troonery gives them qualified immunity for behaviour that gets other users banned.

Unfortunately, the idea that goons are going to stop acting like Everybody I Don't Like Is Hitler is as stupidly optimistic as thinking SA has the potential to be fun or funny again. At least in a 'laughing with' rather than 'laughing at' sense.
 
No, it hasn't been "insanely profitable". Where are you getting that from? But yeah, it had the chance to be Reddit before that was a thing, but he squandered the opportunity in exchange for worthless lols.
The rest of your previous post was 100% correct, but yeah by any metric SA has been insanely profitable over the years man. I recall Lowtax would toss money around like 20,000$ donations to the fuckin BBB and then when asked what the fuck just go "hey it's a cause I like".

Lowtax is a creature of pure sloth and malice who lucked into a free piggy bank that's kept him in pills and wine and expensive Japanese sports cars for the last 20 years. Now that piggy bank has cut its metaphorical Richard off and is now a beautiful woman.

E: " In fact, for the number of times he's had to run fundraisers for various site related things (e.g. server hosting, upgrades etc), it was already clear that it wasn't "profitable". "

Those weren't "fundraisers" they were straight up scams lol
 
It being his only source of income doesn't make it profitable. In fact, that's the whole point of calculating P&L. If the site + Patreon gross $n per month, and he spends $n per month, that's not profit.

In fact, for the number of times he's had to run fundraisers for various site related things (e.g. server hosting, upgrades etc), it was already clear that it wasn't "profitable".

And no, SA isn't - and never was - his only source of income. That people think he's been forthcoming is the most hilarious part of all what's going on. It's complete bs - and only his tax returns and the site's P&L ledger (if there is one) would have the answers.

My guess is that the buyer has a good idea of what the site makes or he wouldn't have settled on buying it for a low sum as $150K.
So you're saying he has other sources of income, and he has been using them to keep unprofitable SA alive because of... reasons? Doesn't make any sense to me, but maybe you know something I don't.

By your definition, though, no venture of Lowtax can ever be profitable, because no matter how much he earns, he will always spend more on Goldbelly pies, pills and McMansions.

The $150k is just a guesstimate, we don't know any details of the actual deal.
 
It being his only source of income doesn't make it profitable. In fact, that's the whole point of calculating P&L. If the site + Patreon gross $n per month, and he spends $n per month, that's not profit.

Jesus, I'd hate to be your accountant. Tip: Pills and Goldbelly pies don't go on the P&L
 
It being his only source of income doesn't make it profitable. In fact, that's the whole point of calculating P&L. If the site + Patreon gross $n per month, and he spends $n per month, that's not profit.

In fact, for the number of times he's had to run fundraisers for various site related things (e.g. server hosting, upgrades etc), it was already clear that it wasn't "profitable".

And no, SA isn't - and never was - his only source of income. That people think he's been forthcoming is the most hilarious part of all what's going on. It's complete bs - and only his tax returns and the site's P&L ledger (if there is one) would have the answers.

My guess is that the buyer has a good idea of what the site makes or he wouldn't have settled on buying it for a low sum as $150K.

If the site brings in $n per month and he spends $n per month on booze, pies, hookers and coke, those are personal expenses and don't affect the company profits ie income on your taxes. LowT hosts fundraisers for site things because he blows all the profit on booze, pies, hookers and coke and doesn't have any left to put back into the business (and then proceeds to spend the donation money on booze, pies, hookers and coke and that doesn't go into the business either).

You're right that we don't have the real numbers and we won't get them, but even with him doing nothing, there's no reason that site registrations and other monetized parts of the forums minus server costs and other business expenses wouldn't turn a profit, even today.

The rest of your previous post was 100% correct, but yeah by any metric SA has been insanely profitable over the years man. I recall Lowtax would toss money around like 20,000$ donations to the fuckin BBB and then when asked what the fuck just go "hey it's a cause I like".

Lowtax is a creature of pure sloth and malice who lucked into a free piggy bank that's kept him in pills and wine and expensive Japanese sports cars for the last 20 years. Now that piggy bank has cut its metaphorical Richard off and is now a beautiful woman.

E: " In fact, for the number of times he's had to run fundraisers for various site related things (e.g. server hosting, upgrades etc), it was already clear that it wasn't "profitable". "

Those weren't "fundraisers" they were straight up scams lol

However, those large donations to 501(c) orgs DO subtract from company profit ie income on your taxes. However, Derek is still giving LowT too much credit (even though he thinks it's the opposite) by saying that the site has "never been profitable" because if LowT did know how to spend company money in a way that shows no profit (like Amazon, GE, other big name companies that legally pay no income tax) then he wouldn't owe any taxes at all, and he does in fact have tax liens totalling well over $100k.

Lowtax spends all the company profits on bullshit for himself, does the bare minimum to keep the site active including not paying the writers (another business deduction that would actually help him), pays rent at his house, child support and tax liens garnished, and then has nothing left to upgrade anything at the business (which would lower profits) or to pay his taxes.

LowT could easily do what Derek is saying, but he doesn't. He's not a smart, forward-thinking guy. He's an addict. Not paying your taxes works for several years until you get caught, so he did that and blew every single bit on his habits and complains that he's always been poor and has no money, when what we do have as public record (goons even dug up the lease on his current car, it's real) shows otherwise. He has/makes plenty of money, he just disappears all of it.
 
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SA and its Forums were pretty awesome in the early to mid 2000s. It's been a long, long time since then, but they were pretty awesome at one point in time. If Lowtax were smart, he'd have cashed out in 2006 or so and gotten a lot more than $150k for it
 
The rest of your previous post was 100% correct, but yeah by any metric SA has been insanely profitable over the years man. I recall Lowtax would toss money around like 20,000$ donations to the fuckin BBB and then when asked what the fuck just go "hey it's a cause I like".

I think that me being a business owner, thus knowing how P&L works, I would take issue with the "insanely profitable". e.g. you don't make $1,000 per month, spend $950 per month and call it "insanely profitable". If the site was making $1,000 per month, and it cost $25 per month to run, with the rest going to Lowtax, that would qualify as "insanely profitable" though, right? I mean that would mean he can afford to spend $975 as he sees fit. Profit is relative.

So you're saying he has other sources of income, and he has been using them to keep unprofitable SA alive because of... reasons? Doesn't make any sense to me, but maybe you know something I don't.

By your definition, though, no venture of Lowtax can ever be profitable, because no matter how much he earns, he will always spend more on Goldbelly pies, pills and McMansions.

The $150k is just a guesstimate, we don't know any details of the actual deal.

Of course he has had other income over the years. I mean, that's not exactly a secret - or is it?

Yeah, I am aware that $150K is a guestimate, but Jeffrey has indicated that he would make the details/terms public when the deal closes. We'll see - though I doubt that he will ever make the price public.

Speaking of Jeff, I thought this was interesting response to someone saying "still pretty hosed up to give a serial abuser a large sum of money "

" This would indeed be a difficult ethical situation if I were the only choice. It's hard to put a price on community and I think it's worth a shitload, but it would have been a dilemma nonetheless. I did not have to face this dilemma however - him not getting paid was never on the table. The choices were me or some vulture media company CEO and, well, that's no choice at all. "
 
*stands over desiccated corpse* "now back then, ten years ago, this dude was pretty cool. I mean he still looks pretty cool now but he's also dead. Ten years ago, though..."
 
However, Derek is still giving LowT too much credit (even though he thinks it's the opposite) by saying that the site has "never been profitable"

Agreed. And as you've eloquently pointed out, it's a double-edged sword depending on how you look at it. My key takeaway is that for the site to have been "insanely profitable", you'd think he'd have a lot to show for it. But as you pointed out, he doesn't because, well, he appears to be blowing money on bs and not much else.
 
Derek, it's all semantics at this point. Let's just leave it at that. All we're saying here is that the forums paid for themselves many, many, many times over and at their height of popularity were worth likely well into the 7 figures if Owetax was willing to cash out. Instead, he squandered every single opportunity that fell into his lap and had the potential to make him quite wealthy and set for life if he had done even an iota of planning or long term investment. He screwed his content contributors, actively avoided his own community, avoided anything even resembling work, and instead fucked off to eat 400$ bagged pies and beat women. This is why he is a lolcow deserving his own thread separate from the SA thread proper.
 
Agreed. And as you've eloquently pointed out, it's a double-edged sword depending on how you look at it. My key takeaway is that for the site to have been "insanely profitable", you'd think he'd have a lot to show for it. But as you pointed out, he doesn't because, well, he appears to be blowing money on bs and not much else.
Don't know about "insanely" profitable, though it definitely was for many years, but even now it's profitable.
 
You're joking, right? It's been insanely profitable, especially given the low overheads and amount of effort Owetax put in to it. If he'd actually invested some of those profits in growing the business, instead of squandering it all on low-end sports cars, child support and pills, it could have been Reddit a decade before Reddit existed.

yeah remind me if I ever get handed a million dollars for sort of running a website and decide to blow it on a car not to spend six figures on a fucking nissan
 
I still think lowtax should have sold it to some Chinese malware company for some bitcoin and a bag of fentanyl laced heroin
 
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