Tomboy said:
Pigeon Crow said:
Tomboy, being an internet person means I have no idea how to take your comments about being an asexual person, so do keep that in mind before retorting to what I'm about to say.
I already knew about the Internet Warriors for a long time, but SJW... it was from going to sf-drama on LiveJournal. There are enough rants there about internet asexuals that really soured me on the whole thing, in part because of what Tomboy brought up: namely, the part about asexuals 'taking over' the things from the rest of the LGBT lifestyle and such. I mean... my point of view is that if you actively cannot have sex with someone, such as because you've suffered abuse regarding it, then you have a point; if your problem is that you're not having sex and you're trying to look proud, and even come up with those demisexual/graysexual titles and what-not... then aren't you just an attention-seeking prick wanting to be holier-than-thou?
I mean, at least I have a legit reason for being screwed up on that aspect, and I don't try to 'embrace' it by claiming I'm a whateversexual and pretending that makes me JUST AS SPESHUL as a literally gay/lesbian person. I'm not 100% straight, but I favor that sexuality, so I'll call myself that. SJWs seem to be the type that would demand I write down something I'm not to support their cause and get them to have the same benefits as the minority groups they claim they support.
...shit, maybe that's why this bothers me so much, they behave like the government from my country and its relationship to poor people.
Naw I actually agree with you. I know a lot of asexuals want to be included in the LGBT community, but as for me, I could care less. I'm just not sexually attracted to anyone and that's the end of it. I'm not a prude, or celibate, nor did I ask to be born this way. Just am. It doesn't make up my identity nor is it something I stamp on myself for the world to know (I have a lesbian friend who literally won't ever shut up about being a lesbian.)
I never got the demi-sexual thing either. Being attracted to someone you're emotionally attached to? Isn't that....most people?
I just find it weird that LGBT supporters shun those aces that could be homoromantic, because if they're dating someone of the same sex, they would get the same shit thrown at them as a homosexual couple.
Internet asexuals, the type we're complaining about, are people who don't have sex but, I'm assuming, would if they only had a significant one. Now, I agree that our society is full of hang-ups regarding sexualization (where soap operas and public TV can be excessively sexualized and presented at times children can watch TV but OH NO THINK OF THE CHILDREN in other cases), but the fact is that sex is a normal aspect of living beings, since, you know, procreation.
Demisexuals and greysexuals argue that *everyone else* is a damn, dirty slutwhore because of the fact that casual sex exists.
Yes, I just overgeneralized that, but the point you get from those SJWs is this. They don't just want sex, they want to have sex with people but they want to make themselves feel SPESHUL for it without looking like whores, so they claim that they are a special brand of sexuality and not just someone who hasn't found the right person yet. I haven't either, but that doesn't mean I'm a whateversexual, it means I'm just not interested in casual sex and want to feel something meaningful with the person I have sex with.
Overall, internet asexuality just bothers me. It's like that guy who goes out hunting for girls every night and keeps a tally of how many he bangs every week, except now it doesn't even have sex so the girls just got pleasant dates that there will never be follow-ups to. Or worse, there's sex but the guy who's doing them doesn't even care about them so if to them it was something precious to him it's nothing.
As for the LGBT counter-aggression... I'm not really going to get into it since I'm not part of the 'Gay Pride Movement', but from what I get, the problem is that they read the homoromantic asexuals as 'we're ALREADY oppressed' when fact is that asexuality isn't 'oppressed' so much as misunderstood or ignored. Yes, you're not considered a normal sexuality just like homosexuals and there are bigots who are likely to make a thing out of it when there's no thing to be made since it's just a choice people make. That, however, is nothing compared to the actual suffering gay people have experienced throughout history, which is reported everywhere if you bother looking it up and that still happens even to this day.
I'm not sure how I'd put it in other terms... but I'm guessing part of the problem is that asexuals don't have a real 'stereotype'. You can make stereotypes for gay men and women easily enough, because you're literally switching their genders, so you have the guy who talks with a girly voice, likes ballet and pink and doesn't hesitate to leer at other men, and the carpet-licker butch who works out and hates men because they're men. Terrible stereotypes, but that's why they are. What do you do to stereotype an asexual person, besides 'doesn't like sex'? They don't stop dressing up like their physical identity. They don't start behaving like something they're not supposed to, like men suddenly start reading trashy romance novels and women start studying cars. If someone tries describing an asexual *outside* their very sexual identity, what makes him different from a 'straight' person?
Nothing. Asexuals don't like sex, and that's weird in our sexualized society, but that's not enough. And that's why the GLBT movement declares they're not going to 'share' their oppression, among other situations. Internet asexuals, in their view, are trying to get the benefits of gay liberalization ("I'm WEIRD! Now treat me better!") while being able to fall back on their non-gay privileges ("I'm not weird ENOUGH to be hated like THOSE weirdos!")
...also, if you really want to argue stereotypes, my understanding is that they claim asexuals are like Sherlock Holmes, and everyone knows how great he is, so asexuals are great people trufax.