Skincare - let's sperg about routines and products

[Vingle]

washing your pillowcases regularly are important. As is cleaning your phone

No, it's hormones and how sensitive your oil glands are to the natural fluctuations of said hormones that are causing acne. Not being "unhygienic". Being overly clean would probably make matters worse, as it removes your natural bacteria flora (Yes, it lives 1000s of small critters on your skin). Trying to be sterile would most likely end up in one critter colonisation being the majority and whoops. You got something like a fungal infection or something.

What if you don't wear makeup? Is that part of why men have easier skin and not just the collagen thing?

You need to double-cleanse off the sunscreen anyway. The oil helps to dislodge blackheads and stuff in your skin too. Oil dissolve oil.

How would you know? What do you need to look out for in particular?

Mostly alcohol, not cetyl alcohol but the one used as a solvent. There is nothing wrong with it, and in it's really good in sunscreens for quick drying. It's when its mostly alcohol that's the problem.

$500 creams or whatever do often make a difference and you just have to figure out a balance between need and affordability.

Lol no, prescription skincare makes a difference. And it's way cheaper than 500 usd. Heck, the government do take some of the bill for Accutane here.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

No, it's hormones and how sensitive your oil glands are to the natural fluctuations of said hormones that are causing acne. Not being "unhygienic". Being overly clean would probably make matters worse, as it removes your natural bacteria flora (Yes, it lives 1000s of small critters on your skin). Trying to be sterile would most likely end up in one critter colonisation being the majority and whoops. You got something like a fungal infection or something.

You need to double-cleanse off the sunscreen anyway. The oil helps to dislodge blackheads and stuff in your skin too. Oil dissolve oil.

Mostly alcohol, not cetyl alcohol but the one used as a solvent. There is nothing wrong with it, and in it's really good in sunscreens for quick drying. It's when its mostly alcohol that's the problem.

Lol no, prescription skincare makes a difference. And it's way cheaper than 500 usd. Heck, the government do take some of the bill for Accutane here.

Poor hygeine can definitely be a cause of acne and cleaning your pillowcases/phone regularly and taking all your makeup off isn't "overly clean." I am well aware of beneficial bacteria/flora.

Some expensive skincare is a scam but yes a lot of the pricier products are very effective. "You get what you pay for" is a good general rule of thumb. If diet, hygiene, and more home remedy stuff isn't working for you then you need to start looking at specific skincare products and that quickly becomes more expensive. Obvs do your research and try samples when able.

Prescriptions are fine and good, I did tell you I did Accutane and only stopped when it was threatening my health. Dermatologists are generally amenable to writing them too. But prescriptions usually come with two big cons:
1) Requiring constant use and refills can be a pain
2) Side effects that might be worse than the acne
A lot of them are more harmful to the beneficial bacteria on your skin than washing your pillowcase btw.

When I was on Accutane it cost me $10 a month and I'm not personally using $500 creams. I'm making a point that good skincare products are often priced in accordance with their effectiveness.

 

[Vingle]

Poor hygeine can definitely be a cause of acne and cleaning your pillowcases/phone regularly and taking all your makeup off isn't "overly clean." I am well aware of beneficial bacteria/flora.

How convenient of you to completely ignore the parts of your quote I don't disagree with. But sure, it's easier for me, if you want to play cunt.

Some expensive skincare is a scam but yes a lot of the pricier products are very effective. "You get what you pay for" is a good general rule of thumb. If diet, hygiene, and more home remedy stuff isn't working for you then you need to start looking at specific skincare products and that quickly becomes more expensive. Obvs do your research and try samples when able.

No, expensive skincare contains of cheap fillers that are dirt cheap. Otherwise they are based on "studies" paid by the company, which doesn't prove that a new and "exciting" ingredients are effective at all.
Diet, hygiene, home remedies has little to zero impact on acne itself. I don't know if you play retarded or what, but the oil glands are deep under the skin. It means you cannot affect them with skincare.

Prescriptions are fine and good, I did tell you I did Accutane and only stopped when it was threatening my health.

No, you didn't and maybe it would be for the best if you continued anyway.

prescriptions usually come with two big cons:
1) Requiring constant use and refills can be a pain

As if you don't have to use and re-buy regular skincare all the time. Sure.

2) Side effects that might be worse than the acne

Not their fault you don't know about other alternatives than Accutane.

I'm making a point that good skincare products are often priced in accordance with their effectiveness.

I don't think you know of this thing called, pricing according to brand popularity.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Finally went to the dermatologist today and got myself some Accutane, Differin and Finacea. I wanted tretinoin too, but it's summer. Lol, I have yet to see anyone paler than me here. I don't fuck around with the sun protecting.

That's awesome. One good thing about zoomers is more of them tend to take sun protection more seriously. I'm surprised you're on both a topical retinoid and accutane though. When I was on accutane, my doctor was super anal about no other actives and only scent free, moisturizing products.
I just got my order from amazon japan and I'm glad it didn't get taken away by customs. Their sunscreens are really good. I got two waterproof ones.

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Is that real soap or a cleansing bar? Real soap has too harsh a ph, a scent free cleanser bar like Dove (doesn't have to be a particular brand) is much better. You should also use a moisturizer and sunscreen. My dad used to work manual labour outside and always wore sunscreen and got mocked for it, but he hasn't gotten skin cancer yet like the melanoma that killed his mother and lead to his cousin having to get much of his face taken off and reconstructed. Nothing wrong with a minimal skin routine though, you only need three steps (cleanse, moisturizer, sun protection). Consider a scent free cream like Cerave in the tub to prevent skin cracks which can eventually cause infection.

https://thebeautybrains.com/2008/11/what-is-the-difference-between-soap-surfactants/

Traditional soaps as well as other cleansers with a high pH can strip away the skin’s natural lipids which can disrupt the skin barrier, cause irritation and dryness, increase bacterial count and impact skin health; low pH cleansers maintain healthy skin by protecting from moisture loss and support the protective effects of the acid mantle and skin barrier.

https://dermcollective.com/low-ph-cleansers/

 

[Vingle]

That's awesome. One good thing about zoomers is more of them tend to take sun protection more seriously.

Dunno what generation I am, but I'm 27. I do look younger though. Or my age, as the average guy on my age looks 35+.

I'm surprised you're on both a topical retinoid and accutane though. When I was on accutane, my doctor was super anal about no other actives and only scent free, moisturizing products.

Well, me too actually. I do apply Differin, azelaic acid, ascorbic acid, salicylic acid morning and night. I have zero irritation. I do think its all thank to the slugging though.

My dermatologist was anal this time, but honestly. Fuck her, I would likely not realise I have almost crocodile skin. If I actually listened to her.

Actually, I was supposed to take a blood test before I began on the course. Yea, I didn't do that. I have done courses 2 times before. No blood tests there either.
Not something you should do though.
But to be said, I do have almost zero side effects. Even when I take 3 20mg pills a day. Just slightly worse in the first week.

I just got my order from amazon japan and I'm glad it didn't get taken away by customs. Their sunscreens are really good. I got two waterproof ones.

Why should it get taken away, are sunscreens banned where you are?

I would likely be more chill, if my parents weren't going to visit me soon. Which means actually going out on the city, gotta look nice then.

 

[Tard Repository]

Why should it get taken away, are sunscreens banned where you are?

IDK where Sparkling Yuzu lives, but in the US at least, I know of some sunscreen ingredients that are used in foreign products that happened to be banned for manufacture here. I guess US customs doesn't seem to have a problem with having these products shipped from China or something for personal use?

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

IDK where Sparkling Yuzu lives, but in the US at least, I know of some sunscreen ingredients that are used in foreign products that happened to be banned for manufacture here. I guess US customs doesn't seem to have a problem with having these products shipped from China or something for personal use?

I'm in Canada. Tinosorb is legal up to 5 percent (I think it's up to 10 in the EU and Asia) but it's really rare to find products that contain it. Uvinal A Plus is still unapproved, Formulas here are usually identical to the US with the same ingredients and not only are they less effective; especially for UVA but I think I'm allergic to some of them.
Canadian customs can be anal from what I've heard. Luckily they didn't bug me. Amazon Japan's sunscreens aren't marked up like most places that sell to foreigners. Shipping fees are kind of high.
Also I get jelly of Americans having cheap OTC Differin. It's not over the counter here and not covered by my plan so it's almost 200 dollars. But Finecea cream and retin-a is completely covered.

 

[Vingle]

It's not over the counter here and not covered by my plan so it's almost 200 dollars. But Finecea cream and retin-a is completely covered.

But Retin-A is better and more researched than Differin? You can just use it only a few times a week, or as a wash off "mask". If it's too irritating for you now.

 

[Tard Repository]

I'm in Canada. Tinosorb is legal up to 5 percent (I think it's up to 10 in the EU and Asia) but it's really rare to find products that contain it. Uvinal A Plus is still unapproved, Formulas here are usually identical to the US with the same ingredients and not only are they less effective; especially for UVA but I think I'm allergic to some of them.
Canadian customs can be anal from what I've heard. Luckily they didn't bug me. Amazon Japan's sunscreens aren't marked up like most places that sell to foreigners. Shipping fees are kind of high.
Also I get jelly of Americans having cheap OTC Differin. It's not over the counter here and not covered by my plan so it's almost 200 dollars. But Finecea cream and retin-a is completely covered.

Differin isn't OTC there? Man that's cucked. It's good to know that Retin-A's covered for you at least.

 

[Vingle]

Differin isn't OTC there? Man that's cucked. It's good to know that Retin-A's covered for you at least.

another thing that’s bs, is that finacea is not otc. Meanwhile benzyol peroxide is otc. Bp is much more irritating than azelaic acid. The bleaching of stuff is a big reason for why i hate it.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

How convenient of you to completely ignore the parts of your quote I don't disagree with. But sure, it's easier for me, if you want to play cunt.

No, expensive skincare contains of cheap fillers that are dirt cheap. Otherwise they are based on "studies" paid by the company, which doesn't prove that a new and "exciting" ingredients are effective at all.
Diet, hygiene, home remedies has little to zero impact on acne itself. I don't know if you play retarded or what, but the oil glands are deep under the skin. It means you cannot affect them with skincare.

No, you didn't and maybe it would be for the best if you continued anyway.

As if you don't have to use and re-buy regular skincare all the time. Sure.

Not their fault you don't know about other alternatives than Accutane.

I don't think you know of this thing called, pricing according to brand popularity.

You are seething for reasons beyond me. Why tf would I respond repeatedly to things we agree on? What would the point of that be?

Plenty of skincare contains expensive ingredients. To say all skincare contains dirt cheap ingredients is absolutely retarded. Not sure if you're only getting skincare from your local convenience store or what. Sure, whether or not the ingredients work is arguable which is why I said people should do their research.

There are dozens of different causes for acne as any dermatologist will tell you. This can include diet, environmental irritants, hormones, poor hygiene, or just overactive oil glands. Oil glands are in the dermis, which is not at all "deep" and anything you put onto your skin is going to be absorbed down to the hypodermis. Maybe you aren't aware, but plenty of prescription acne treatments are topicals because topicals affect oil glands. In fact most derms will try to get you to use topicals before Accutane since Accutane might make you have a pinhead baby or blow your brains out or lose your hair.

I have responded to you directly saying I used Accutane and know others who have and while the results are real the side effects also are. Maybe you just missed it.

Going and getting a scrip refilled is more of a pain than ordering something online, especially if your derm requires regular checkups or evals to continue prescribing it. If you're a woman you have to go into the dermatologist and get a pregnancy test every time you want your Accutane refilled. Wait for derm to confirm result, fill out survey confirming you don't want to harm yourself or others and are not having unprotected sex, call pharm, go pick up refill. Speaking from experience, that's kind of a pain.

Are you actually saying Accutane is the only skin prescription with side effects? Are you actually retarded? Is this a joke? The more I read from you the more convinced I am that you don't really struggle with skincare and have never used Accutane.

Brand popularity is a thing but so are online reviews and brand reputations. Flashy colorful oils/scrubs pushed on TikTok probably aren't it. As I said multiple times in this post and the previous ones, do your research before just grabbing things off the shelves if you don't want to be swindled. Maybe you buying $5 drugstore cleansers is why you think topicals don't work idk.

 

[Vingle]

Plenty of skincare contains expensive ingredients. To say all skincare contains dirt cheap ingredients is absolutely retarded.

I never said that.

Not sure if you're only getting skincare from your local convenience store or what. Sure, whether or not the ingredients work is arguable which is why I said people should do their research.

If the ingredients aren't shit, I go for the cheapest option available. Without fragrance of course.

There are dozens of different causes for acne as any dermatologist will tell you. This can include det, environmental irritants, hormones, poor hygiene, or just overactive oil glands

Doesn't matter if the dozen of reasons have little to no impact. Would be fun if you could get clear skin by just getting an air purifier.

plenty of prescription acne treatments are topicals because topicals affect oil glands. In fact most derms will try to get you to use topicals before Accutane since Accutane might make you have a pinhead baby or blow your brains out or lose your hair.

I was on tretinoin for a year, and it never improved my acne. There are plenty of people with the same experience, which acne gets worse after adding in tretinoin.
I can be lenient and say it did help with existing acne, but did nothing against the actual reason for it.

Going and getting a scrip refilled is more of a pain than ordering something online, especially if your derm requires regular checkups or evals to continue prescribing it.

Most only requires one course of Accutane. But honestly, I have no experience with check-ups or anything. As I'm a man and get the whole course prescription right away and do my own thing until it's empty.

Are you actually saying Accutane is the only skin prescription with side effects?

Never said this.

The more I read from you the more convinced I am that you don't really struggle with skincare and have never used Accutane

I'm on my third course, and it's right. I don't struggle with skincare, as I know my way around it.

Maybe you buying $5 drugstore cleansers is why you think topicals don't work

I use Cerave Hydrating Cleanser, but you can't do anything against hormonal acne. Even if the skincare is on point.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Plenty of skincare contains expensive ingredients. To say all skincare contains dirt cheap ingredients is absolutely retarded. Not sure if you're only getting skincare from your local convenience store or what. Sure, whether or not the ingredients work is arguable which is why I said people should do their research.

This is straight from Vingle's waifu Dr Dray, YouTube skincare guru/aesthetician hater/tooooooootally not anorexic.

 

[Vingle]

This is straight from Vingle's waifu Dr Dray, YouTube skincare guru/aesthetician hater/tooooooootally not anorexic.

Thanks for giving me a chuckle

Anyway, if you can't do Accutane. Men handle it better than women, even Dr Dray acknowledge this. But at least try to look for other alternatives, Spirolactone is one, which can only be used by women. At it impacts the hormones directly and fucks up the testosterone in men. That's why MTF troons use it too.
This too. @Big Miss Steak.

I'm interested in adding in melatonin in my routine, but well. The products containing it are few and expensive. Honestly, I consider to just use a melatonin liquid meant as a sleep aid.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

This is straight from Vingle's waifu Dr Dray, YouTube skincare guru/aesthetician hater/tooooooootally not anorexic.

I loathe skincare gurus generally but I'll give her a look if Vingle gave her the stamp of approval.

Thanks for giving me a chuckle

Anyway, if you can't do Accutane. Men handle it better than women, even Dr Dray acknowledge this. But at least try to look for other alternatives, Spirolactone is one, which can only be used by women. At it impacts the hormones directly and fucks up the testosterone in men. That's why MTF troons use it too.
This too. @Big Miss Steak.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mh8WHK9JrDc
I'm interested in adding in melatonin in my routine, but well. The products containing it are few and expensive. Honestly, I consider to just use a melatonin liquid meant as a sleep aid.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_XPctAb0oXQ

Wasn't intending to start a slapfight with you or come at your throat so hope it didn't come across that way. There are a lot of variables with skincare: how sensitive your own skin is, if your hormones are out of whack, the environment you live in (humidity, if you work with chemicals/dust/etc.), how easily your derm will prescribe things, etc. Accutane is really unbeatable if your skin won't respond to lifestyle changes (usually means your body has a core issue with regulating sebum production). But there are other things that work depending on what's causing your issues and if you have an uncooperative derm. I've done a lot of explorin' in 15+ years of struggling with my skin and just trying to share what I've learned.

I'll look at Winlev. I have somewhat relapsed after Accutane, it's been almost 4 years at this point, tend to really only have issues around my menstrual cycle. Would consider another cycle of Accutane but I got so ill on it that I don't think any derm would prescribe it for me again.

I've only used melatonin as a sleep aid. Only issue I can really see with using dietary supplements directly on your skin is all the melatonin I've tried smells like actual shit.

 

[Vingle]

I loathe skincare gurus generally but I'll give her a look if Vingle gave her the stamp of approval.

She's a dermatologist, only reason why I follow her.

Wasn't intending to start a slapfight with you or come at your throat so hope it didn't come across that way.

I treat slapfights like a sport

Accutane is really unbeatable if your skin won't respond to lifestyle changes (usually means your body has a core issue with regulating sebum production). But there are other things that work depending on what's causing your issues and if you have an uncooperative derm. I've done a lot of explorin' in 15+ years of struggling with my skin and just trying to share what I've learned

I may be biased, but I'm pretty sure tretinoin made my acne worse and immune to benzoyl peroxide. As I did manage it before I began with tretinoin.
But hormonal acne in men do last well into the 30's. It sucks, but oilier skin do keep looking younger for longer.

I'll look at Winlev. I have somewhat relapsed after Accutane, it's been almost 4 years at this point, tend to really only have issues around my menstrual cycle. Would consider another cycle of Accutane but I got so ill on it that I don't think any derm would prescribe it for me again.

Are you usually on birth control or tried Spirolactone?

 

[AveraDiane]

I honestly wish I used Cerave when I started to get into skincare. I've been using the Normal to Dry skin cleanser and their moisturizing lotion and people have said to me that I look younger than I am.

Also I've been using this serum and it's pretty damn fantastic. It was a bit of a wait due to shortages and whatnot, but it's worth it.

 

[Vingle]

Also I've been using this serum and it's pretty damn fantastic.

Could you tell more about your experience with it? I'm intrigued by the stem cells.

 

[AveraDiane]

Could you tell more about your experience with it? I'm intrigued by the stem cells.

I got a free sample from one of my previous orders, gave it a shot and liked it. Plus I figured I could have something that helps with aging due to my concerns over turning 30.

 

[Vingle]

I got a free sample from one of my previous orders, gave it a shot and liked it. Plus I figured I could have something that helps with aging due to my concerns over turning 30.

Why did you like it, and do you use tretinoin too?