SJW Art and Extremes

[Kazuya Mishima]

Some Copium from twitter
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This just further proves my point.


Also

Spoiler: Power fantasy cringe

 

[Brit Crust]

This just further proves my point.


Also

Spoiler: Power fantasy cringe

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Johnny Bravo would never simp for troons. Not even when he's desperate for pussy.

 

[King_Boo_Official]

Some Copium from twitter
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"I'm still using they/them for this character confirmed to be female!"
It's not misgendering if you do it, I guess.

 

[Niggerphobe]

This just further proves my point.


Also

Spoiler: Power fantasy cringe

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I wanna see an episode with a tranny in jb

 

[TheGreatestSword]

Lol speaking of non-binary cringe.
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Get BTFO’d losers. Nintendo themselves had to come out and say she’s not a fag.

The actual delusion that a ultra-traditional, conservative Japanese company would actually feature some teenaged garbage “sexuality” in their main line games is HILARIOUS.

These American nerds need to realize that they have ZERO influence with Japanese development. Overseas fans are just extra cash. They don’t need to bend anything for Americans because they make enough sales everywhere else.

I still don't understand how they thought the obviously female presenting character was gonna be "nonbinary rep!!1!11"

 

[Sí.]

Johnny Bravo would never simp for troons. Not even when he's desperate for pussy.

Or dick, in this case.

 

[Kiwilurk]

I still don't understand how they thought the obviously female presenting character was gonna be "nonbinary rep!!1!11"

People insist she looks "androgynous"
Does she? MAYBE the face/head KINDA does if you squint a bit but the body is clearly female.
Oh and people insist the bandages on the chest is a binder.

Spoiler: If you havent seen her fully

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Change of topic, from Katetorias:

"Why do people misgender us when we do little to no effort to present ourselves as the gender we want to be seen as?"

Spoiler: Most recent self portrait

Yeah this is totally a -whatever-BS-pronounce-shes-using-this-week

 

[Metamorpho]

People insist she looks "androgynous"
Does she? MAYBE the face/head KINDA does if you squint a bit but the body is clearly female.
Oh and people insist the bandages on the chest is a binder.

Spoiler: If you havent seen her fully

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Change of topic, from Katetorias:

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"Why do people misgender us when we do little to no effort to present ourselves as the gender we want to be seen as?"

Spoiler: Most recent self portrait

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Yeah this is totally a -whatever-BS-pronounce-shes-using-this-week

fatass lol

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I still don't understand how they thought the obviously female presenting character was gonna be "nonbinary rep!!1!11"

My theory is that the first picture of her was somewhat unclear if it was a lady or a femboy.

That could be childbearing hips or just the scaf messing with the silhouette. The boobs look small, maybe they aren't boobs. The blue one is noticeably taller than the clearly female yellow one but not more built otherwise. Black and blue are masculine colors too...

Basically the look isn't exactly girly but definitely feminine. Unfortunately that doesn't mean much. Pretty boys are fairly common in anime and those have caused miss gendering issues before. Add to that she didn't use standard feminine or masculine first person prounauns but ones from Kansai dialect for effect (one common with girls and other with men). The translators probably didn't want internet making fun of them for getting it wrong so without Nintendo telling them what Shiver is they avoided gendered language about her. The gender identity obsessed wierdos jumped on that to mean Shiver is confirmed to be none binary and all that jazz.

 

[SWETHORT]

My theory is that the first picture of her was somewhat unclear if it was a lady or a femboy.
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That could be childbearing hips or just the scaf messing with the silhouette. The boobs look small, maybe they aren't boobs. The blue one is noticeably taller than the clearly female yellow one but not more built otherwise. Black and blue are masculine colors too...

Basically the look isn't exactly girly but definitely feminine. Unfortunately that doesn't mean much. Pretty boys are fairly common in anime and those have caused miss gendering issues before. Add to that she didn't use standard feminine or masculine first person prounauns but ones from Kansai dialect for effect (one common with girls and other with men). The translators probably didn't want internet making fun of them for getting it wrong so without Nintendo telling them what Shiver is they avoided gendered language about her. The gender identity obsessed wierdos jumped on that to mean Shiver is confirmed to be none binary and all that jazz.

Truthfully, your idea is a bit misguided here. It holds up in some way but, as a Splatoon sperg, I'd be damned if I didn't say what their actual thought process is.

The reason they like Shiver so much (thus making her nonbinary to them) boils down to a few reasons:
1. She's attractive compared to her counterparts. Frye (the yellow inkling in the render from the quote) is seen as ugly mostly due to her forehead and overbite. It's essentially the same situation with Splatoon 2's idols, Pearl and Marina, all over again.
2. The emo hairstyle combined with the vaguely Japanese aesthetic (the rope in her hair, she carries a fan with her in several cutscenes, etc.) are things nonbinaries eat up.
3. They noticed that her chest has bindings on it, shown below in the screenshot.


They're confusing the white cloth (which is something from Japanese culture, though I forget the exact word) for FtM troons binding their chests with tape or something else. That or they're purposefully interpreting it as such. They know she's a woman, it's obvious in things like her eyes and her outfit. Splatoon idols are also always female, the exception being the manta ray (Big Man) in the render you shared. Sure, these two are the most androgynous idols compared to ones in the past, but I doubt anyone is mistaking Shiver or Frye for men.

Troons will take any chance to make a character trans. This has been proven time and time again in this thread, whether there's "evidence" or not. I've seen them say Frye is nonbinary as well, though this is less common as her design is less liked than Shiver's. This has also happened with characters in the past; Agent 3 being canonically called "them" in Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion made everyone freak out. In reality, that's because you can choose Agent 3's gender, and the localization team probably didn't care enough to write two separate dialogue chains depending on that choice.

This controversy got to a point where multiple game-focused news sites reported Nintendo stating that Shiver isn't nonbinary.
Furthermore, in the Japanese version, she uses the self-pronoun "uchi", which is a feminine way of saying "I" used exclusively by women. Nintendo doesn't care that you don't want to be a woman, the dev team just wants to design characters. Splatoon 3's theme seems to be anarchy as well, inspired by the final event in Splatoon 2, so it's also fitting that Shiver's design isn't super feminine since to conform to being a feminine woman is the opposite of anarchy.

TLDR: Splatoon retards tend to be nonbinary. They want the characters to be nonbinary. Thus Shiver is nonbinary to them because they like her.

 

[Kiwilurk]

Truthfully, your idea is a bit misguided here. It holds up in some way but, as a Splatoon sperg, I'd be damned if I didn't say what their actual thought process is.

The reason they like Shiver so much (thus making her nonbinary to them) boils down to a few reasons:
1. She's attractive compared to her counterparts. Frye (the yellow inkling in the render from the quote) is seen as ugly mostly due to her forehead and overbite. It's essentially the same situation with Splatoon 2's idols, Pearl and Marina, all over again.
2. The emo hairstyle combined with the vaguely Japanese aesthetic (the rope in her hair, she carries a fan with her in several cutscenes, etc.) are things nonbinaries eat up.
3. They noticed that her chest has bindings on it, shown below in the screenshot.
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They're confusing the white cloth (which is something from Japanese culture, though I forget the exact word) for FtM troons binding their chests with tape or something else. That or they're purposefully interpreting it as such. They know she's a woman, it's obvious in things like her eyes and her outfit. Splatoon idols are also always female, the exception being the manta ray (Big Man) in the render you shared. Sure, these two are the most androgynous idols compared to ones in the past, but I doubt anyone is mistaking Shiver or Frye for men.

Troons will take any chance to make a character trans. This has been proven time and time again in this thread, whether there's "evidence" or not. I've seen them say Frye is nonbinary as well, though this is less common as her design is less liked than Shiver's. This has also happened with characters in the past; Agent 3 being canonically called "them" in Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion made everyone freak out. In reality, that's because you can choose Agent 3's gender, and the localization team probably didn't care enough to write two separate dialogue chains depending on that choice.

This controversy got to a point where multiple game-focused news sites reported Nintendo stating that Shiver isn't nonbinary.
Furthermore, in the Japanese version, she uses the self-pronoun "uchi", which is a feminine way of saying "I" used exclusively by women. Nintendo doesn't care that you don't want to be a woman, the dev team just wants to design characters. Splatoon 3's theme seems to be anarchy as well, inspired by the final event in Splatoon 2, so it's also fitting that Shiver's design isn't super feminine since to conform to being a feminine woman is the opposite of anarchy.
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TLDR: Splatoon retards tend to be nonbinary. They want the characters to be nonbinary. Thus Shiver is nonbinary to them because they like her.

I Remember people saying she never used any gendered pronouns.
Either whoever said that lied or was extremely biased. Or just didnt know about the "uchi" thing.

 

[W334b0 Tr4sh]

They're confusing the white cloth (which is something from Japanese culture, though I forget the exact word) for FtM troons binding their chests with tape or something else. That or they're purposefully interpreting it as such.

The white cloth is called a sarashi (if memory serves me right, was used by the samurai and women). Its to show your toughness but really, it prevents organs bleeding out in case of a sword attack.

Spoiler: Example

To see them realizing Shiver was actually a woman is pretty laughable.

 

[SWETHORT]

The white cloth is called a sarashi (if memory serves me right, was used by the samurai and women). Its to show your toughness but really, it prevents organs bleeding out in case of a sword attack.

Spoiler: Example

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To see them realizing Shiver was actually a woman is pretty laughable.

That's what a sarashi is? Damnit, why do the troons take everything that's genuinely cool or interesting and make it some stupid gender thing.

 

[cat merchant]

3. They noticed that her chest has bindings on it, shown below in the screenshot.
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They're confusing the white cloth (which is something from Japanese culture, though I forget the exact word) for FtM troons binding their chests with tape or something else.

This also happened with Yoimiya from Genshin when she released.

People like this only enforce gender roles (and European beauty standards) by implying that these female characters can’t possibly be women because of their styles.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Truthfully, your idea is a bit misguided here. It holds up in some way but, as a Splatoon sperg, I'd be damned if I didn't say what their actual thought process is.

The reason they like Shiver so much (thus making her nonbinary to them) boils down to a few reasons:
1. She's attractive compared to her counterparts. Frye (the yellow inkling in the render from the quote) is seen as ugly mostly due to her forehead and overbite. It's essentially the same situation with Splatoon 2's idols, Pearl and Marina, all over again.
2. The emo hairstyle combined with the vaguely Japanese aesthetic (the rope in her hair, she carries a fan with her in several cutscenes, etc.) are things nonbinaries eat up.
3. They noticed that her chest has bindings on it, shown below in the screenshot.
View attachment 3647229

They're confusing the white cloth (which is something from Japanese culture, though I forget the exact word) for FtM troons binding their chests with tape or something else. That or they're purposefully interpreting it as such. They know she's a woman, it's obvious in things like her eyes and her outfit. Splatoon idols are also always female, the exception being the manta ray (Big Man) in the render you shared. Sure, these two are the most androgynous idols compared to ones in the past, but I doubt anyone is mistaking Shiver or Frye for men.

Troons will take any chance to make a character trans. This has been proven time and time again in this thread, whether there's "evidence" or not. I've seen them say Frye is nonbinary as well, though this is less common as her design is less liked than Shiver's. This has also happened with characters in the past; Agent 3 being canonically called "them" in Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion made everyone freak out. In reality, that's because you can choose Agent 3's gender, and the localization team probably didn't care enough to write two separate dialogue chains depending on that choice.

This controversy got to a point where multiple game-focused news sites reported Nintendo stating that Shiver isn't nonbinary.
Furthermore, in the Japanese version, she uses the self-pronoun "uchi", which is a feminine way of saying "I" used exclusively by women. Nintendo doesn't care that you don't want to be a woman, the dev team just wants to design characters. Splatoon 3's theme seems to be anarchy as well, inspired by the final event in Splatoon 2, so it's also fitting that Shiver's design isn't super feminine since to conform to being a feminine woman is the opposite of anarchy.
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TLDR: Splatoon retards tend to be nonbinary. They want the characters to be nonbinary. Thus Shiver is nonbinary to them because they like her.

She also uses "onore" witch is masculine but overall I agree with you. I think she was obliviously a woman but I can see why some confusion could be there.

I didn't go to details about troons jumping into conclusions because yeah that's obliviously what they do but where I thought they got fuel for that. These girls troon out characters all the time because it's the fashionable but there is a difference when they think it's for reals guys! Sure they overread into things but even they require starting evidence and not getting told clear no for that.

 

[dappouROCK]

She also uses "onore" witch is masculine but overall I agree with you. I think she was obliviously a woman but I can see why some confusion could be there.

"Onore" is the "you" to her "uchi" being her "I".
"Onore" especially expresses rudeness and hostility.

To be fair, in Japan, while certain "pronouns" are generally used more by one sex than the other, it is never exclusive to one sex... because they don't rely on the way someone speaks to figure out if they're male or female.

Like how in recent years more girls in Japan are using "boku" (typically masculine), and how many older women still use "ore" (now more used by men) since it's what they used back in their day. It also depends on dialects and situations. Such as how a man will use "ore" with friends (seen as "rude" and "tough"), but will use "boku" in the workplace (expresses politeness and subordination).

It's like how we change our tone and choice of words depending on who we're speaking to. You don't go talking to your boss the same way you talk to your friends... unless you're somehow good friends with your boss. (ie saying workplace inappropriate things) Doing so there would garner the same "rude" and "inappropriate" interpretation of your character as it would in Japan.

Relying on someone's speaking habits is never a good way to determine if they're male or female since it can be interchangeable in Japan and tends to change who it's used more by throughout the years.

Regardless, she's clearly a women and the gendies are insane.

 

[thinking about mr hands]

My theory is that the first picture of her was somewhat unclear if it was a lady or a femboy.
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That could be childbearing hips or just the scaf messing with the silhouette. The boobs look small, maybe they aren't boobs. The blue one is noticeably taller than the clearly female yellow one but not more built otherwise. Black and blue are masculine colors too...

Basically the look isn't exactly girly but definitely feminine. Unfortunately that doesn't mean much. Pretty boys are fairly common in anime and those have caused miss gendering issues before. Add to that she didn't use standard feminine or masculine first person prounauns but ones from Kansai dialect for effect (one common with girls and other with men). The translators probably didn't want internet making fun of them for getting it wrong so without Nintendo telling them what Shiver is they avoided gendered language about her. The gender identity obsessed wierdos jumped on that to mean Shiver is confirmed to be none binary and all that jazz.

I honestly thought it was riding off of the pretty boy idol look as her face appears pretty masculine, also the blue colors didn’t help as blue is commonly associated with boys.
The combover-hair flare and the way it’s parted also looks like something Japanese male idols like to do with their hair:

Spoiler: Some idols with a similar hair look

Visual Kei has a lot of “exposed forehead/hair swoop” goin on

Infamous horn dog Gackt with a similar part

Arashi who apparently all have their part in the exact same spot.

On/Off also with that weird parting.

Off topic, but it is impossible to find Japanese idol pictures these days, most of it is just kpop and you have to get super specific.

It’s not exactly the same, (but then again, they are using tentacles) but her hair does have a look that’s not a very common one among female idols (at least that I’m aware of)
I can understand thinking of her to be a boy given all that, but nonbinary is a huge stretch considering how androgynous looks are the in thing, mostly for men, when it comes to the idol industry.

The way everyone is flipping their shit about it is funny, while also doing the horrible Twitter crime of erasing culture, but this time it’s ok because “muh gender” or something like that

At least it’s entertaining, if not infuriating to see

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

"Onore" is the "you" to her "uchi" being her "I".
"Onore" especially expresses rudeness and hostility.

To be fair, in Japan, while certain "pronouns" are generally used more by one sex than the other, it is never exclusive to one sex... because they don't rely on the way someone speaks to figure out if they're male or female.

Like how in recent years more girls in Japan are using "boku" (typically masculine), and how many older women still use "ore" (now more used by men) since it's what they used back in their day. It also depends on dialects and situations. Such as how a man will use "ore" with friends (seen as "rude" and "tough"), but will use "boku" in the workplace (expresses politeness and subordination).

It's like how we change our tone and choice of words depending on who we're speaking to. You don't go talking to your boss the same way you talk to your friends... unless you're somehow good friends with your boss. (ie saying workplace inappropriate things) Doing so there would garner the same "rude" and "inappropriate" interpretation of your character as it would in Japan.

Relying on someone's speaking habits is never a good way to determine if they're male or female since it can be interchangeable in Japan and tends to change who it's used more by throughout the years.

Regardless, she's clearly a women and the gendies are insane.

Well as a finn with our gender neutral language and my admittedly kinda failure of learning Japanese I get it. There are gendered aspects to mostly gender neutral languages that aren't straight up confirmations of gender because that's not how those language works and it it doesn't confuse anyone. If the gender is necessary to know it will come up.

It's really funny when people from very gendered languages don't get that translation can tricky and that doesn't always mean anything. It can be just that the translators are doing their best what they got. Different languages have different ways to play, implicate and express tone. Add to that cultural aspects and it can hard to get a sentence work on different languages especially if you have only so much context to go with.

Nope, overreacting like this is straight up native, made for here and it is. It's amusing, especially when they get told they are wrong.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Truthfully, your idea is a bit misguided here. It holds up in some way but, as a Splatoon sperg, I'd be damned if I didn't say what their actual thought process is.

The reason they like Shiver so much (thus making her nonbinary to them) boils down to a few reasons:
1. She's attractive compared to her counterparts. Frye (the yellow inkling in the render from the quote) is seen as ugly mostly due to her forehead and overbite. It's essentially the same situation with Splatoon 2's idols, Pearl and Marina, all over again.
2. The emo hairstyle combined with the vaguely Japanese aesthetic (the rope in her hair, she carries a fan with her in several cutscenes, etc.) are things nonbinaries eat up.
3. They noticed that her chest has bindings on it, shown below in the screenshot.
View attachment 3647229

They're confusing the white cloth (which is something from Japanese culture, though I forget the exact word) for FtM troons binding their chests with tape or something else. That or they're purposefully interpreting it as such. They know she's a woman, it's obvious in things like her eyes and her outfit. Splatoon idols are also always female, the exception being the manta ray (Big Man) in the render you shared. Sure, these two are the most androgynous idols compared to ones in the past, but I doubt anyone is mistaking Shiver or Frye for men.

Troons will take any chance to make a character trans. This has been proven time and time again in this thread, whether there's "evidence" or not. I've seen them say Frye is nonbinary as well, though this is less common as her design is less liked than Shiver's. This has also happened with characters in the past; Agent 3 being canonically called "them" in Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion made everyone freak out. In reality, that's because you can choose Agent 3's gender, and the localization team probably didn't care enough to write two separate dialogue chains depending on that choice.

This controversy got to a point where multiple game-focused news sites reported Nintendo stating that Shiver isn't nonbinary.
Furthermore, in the Japanese version, she uses the self-pronoun "uchi", which is a feminine way of saying "I" used exclusively by women. Nintendo doesn't care that you don't want to be a woman, the dev team just wants to design characters. Splatoon 3's theme seems to be anarchy as well, inspired by the final event in Splatoon 2, so it's also fitting that Shiver's design isn't super feminine since to conform to being a feminine woman is the opposite of anarchy.
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TLDR: Splatoon retards tend to be nonbinary. They want the characters to be nonbinary. Thus Shiver is nonbinary to them because they like her.

Can you explain why TIMs and self described nonbinary women are attracted to the game and actually play it? It it solely because of the character design?

 

[TokiBun]

Can you explain why TIMs and self described nonbinary women are attracted to the game and actually play it? It it solely because of the character design?

Maybe? You can now use any hair style on any gendered inkling or octoling now so that might have something to do with it. Plus it’s a cute looking game which attracts these types of people.