Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

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There's the actual tl;dr.

My life may be mine to take, or it might belong to God, but it certainly doesn't belong to you, the state or anyone else, and the same goes for my right to speak freely about it.
It doesn't belong to the state.

But if your reason for suicide is sufficiently retarded, the state is perfectly within its purview to consider you not in a right state of mind and therefore incapable of consenting to taking your own life. Just as the state judges individuals insane and therefore incapable of consenting to all sorts of other acts.

Though there's nothing wrong with merely discussing suicide and it's probably good for people to have a place to discuss these things freely without worrying about getting baker act'd.
 
It doesn't belong to the state.

But if your reason for suicide is sufficiently retarded, the state is perfectly within its purview to consider you not in a right state of mind and therefore incapable of consenting to taking your own life. Just as the state judges individuals insane and therefore incapable of consenting to all sorts of other acts.

Though there's nothing wrong with merely discussing suicide and it's probably good for people to have a place to discuss these things freely without worrying about getting baker act'd.
That's more or less exactly my viewpoint. I do think the state should intervene when the reason for suicide is that someone is obviously completely incapable of making rational decisions and is committing suicide for reasons that are easily treatable, and that if they were treated, they'd realize that and change their mind.

However, I'm also entirely of the opinion that if someone is rational enough to conceal their identity to some degree in order to talk with others about thoughts like this, they're also more likely to be competent to make their own decisions, despite the attempted and unwelcome interventions of officious intermeddlers like various faggots in this thread.
 
I just want to jump in quickly and confirm something.

@a founder - refreshing of you to admit that if I were saying these things on SS I’d get banned for taunting the poor, suicide-romanticizing 20-somethings that form your used base.

Yes you would get banned, 100%. The rules didn't change in the last 2 years and I don't want you in my forum.

Do you really think anyone on SaSu wants to see your condescending behavior, acting like you're an expert on suicide who has the authority to speak over other people, because you've dealt with inconveniences yourself in the past(?),

I am 33 years old and I have no problem telling you I've seen some shit

Why am I doing this? It's because I really have been there

I’ve suffered career setbacks, heartbreak, the works

Take it from someone who's older and wiser.

I know it gets better.

YOUR. LIFE. WILL. IMPROVE. IF. YOU. LET. IT.

Look, I'll grant the following exceptions where it might be OK to commit suicide

talking down to suicidal people and literally insulting them while you pretend to care so much about their lives(?),

You're as brainsick as the rest of them

That's it. And I don't think the zoomers on SS are meeting any of those criteria.

if you're just going to waste a therapist's time bitching about how you want to off yourself to spite your parents.

you lionize and romanticize it in front of an audience of fellow melancholic lunatic

just because you’re frustrated. But you’re of no use to anyone dead

If you don't want to get put on a psych hold, stop trying to fucking kill yourself and the cops'll leave you be, simple as.

you’re probably making each other worse off, just like r/suicide watch and other communities that like to wallow and ruminate in their depressive reveries. Pathetic imo.

I am not going to cut you a pass because you've given up.

invalidating their suffering because they don't literally live in Gaza or experienced the Holocaust(?),

you’re not an amputee, but if you were, you could still have a life worth living.

You're not amputees, you're not dying of thirst in Gaza, you didn't lose your whole family's life savings to an MLM, you're not Hamlet, you're not blind, you're not paralyzed[/facts]

You're not dying of thirst in Gaza. You're not en route to fucking Auschwitz.

you aren't fucken Robin Williams dying of dementia w/ parkinsomistic traits

Anyway, you are not living in sub-saharan Africa. You are not dying of privation in Gaza.

implying they're weak and emotional, comparing them to teens in several posts as if that's the majority of our userbase and as if we didn't have a zero-tolerance policy towards minors(?),

Suicide is an impulsive decision

teens committing performative suicide for their friends on some forum by hotboxing 60L helium gas.

If you're just going to stare at the floor like a sullen teenager and refuse to talk to the therapist, ofc it's not going to work.

allowing lonely teenagers

impressionable teenager

and patronising them for thinking about suicide of course(?),

It's selfish

for microaggressing your poor suicidal users

if someone hangs themselves, fucks it up, and survives to become even more miserable: I'm sorry for them, but they really, literally brought it on themselves

and of course the obligatory religious preaching...

God would help you if you're willing to accept it

Nah, your life is a gift to you from your parents

God will remember you

The Holy Spirit would rescue you too if you let her.

God is real, absolute, and within the fabric of reality.

God invested your life in you

God would help you if you're willing to accept it

I can't tell you how much I cringed by the way when I had to read through all that self-righteous and infallible nonsense to compile this list of garbage talking points. Great job, it takes a great amount of dedication to be that insufferable.
Your post are self-explanatory, if you think I'm going to waste time explaining to you why you're wrong, you're mistaken and other members already explained in great detail why you're not to be taken seriously by anyone. I think it's pretty clear why the things you've said disquality you from this conversation.

And it's funny how the fixers even defended you on Twitter despite this huge list of red flags. But then again, your attitude isn't the outlier, it's the norm and that's the problem. It's common behavior amongst everyone who opposes our forum and celebrates the status quo. It's utter ignorance and it's not working, plain and simple. The way we treat suicidal people isn't working and that's why our forum is so appealing to suicidal people, it's because we have a different approach that respects their dignity and autonomy. But these people really think they can shame people out of suicidal behavior if they just apply enough pressure - if necessary with forceful and traumatizing psychiatric intervention as it's been defended by this person in this thread.

They just don't get it, especially the Twitter crowd. Their family members literally committed suicide and they still think this kind of behavior is what helps people escape their struggles? This is mind-boggling. These people embody everything that's wrong with our current approach to suicide prevention and what's even worse is that these people control the narrative about suicide and our forum, they're the ones who talk to journalists and politicans 24/7, who spread the idiotic idea that this is how you effectively prevent suicide - by talking down to suicidal people, infantilizing them which means you take away their autonomy, trivialising their struggles, censoring spaces that treat adults like adults and if all of that doesn't work, just send them to the loony bin for a few weeks, again violating their dignity and autonomy, that'll fix them for sure... it's that kind of treatment out there that drives people to us because we don't have that stigma, we don't threaten involuntary intervention. In our forum you're allowed to be yourself, to share your most personal thoughts and talk about your struggles without judgement, you're allowed to openly talk about decisions you made for yourself regarding your own welfare without the risk that anyone is going to punish you for that. People appreciate to have that space and there is a sincere need for a space like SaSu. Of course not everyone wants that but enough people to have a forum with a total of 40k members and they could at least acknowledge that - which isn't going to happen of course. Instead, they'll keep supporting a system that throws suicidal people under the bus, which means they'll make an account in our forum instead to find acceptance and compassion because nobody out there understands them.
What a surprise.
 
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It's almost like suicidal people have actual reasons for wanting to die and lecturing them breathlessly with the same tired tropes they've heard a thousand times before (or worse, involuntarily committing them) isn't going to work.

Any solution to suicide that doesn't involve directly solving suicidal people's problems is no more advanced than just saying "lol don't kill yourself".
 
As a suicidal person there is literally nothing more triggering than a stranger claiming to know *everything* about one's life and to speak into one's situation by projecting a profile or caricature of an infantile shoegazer that they have built in their own head - which is completely baseless because again they know fuck all about one's life and medical circumstances.

And those comments are just further evidence of their utterly rudimentary understanding of mental health/illness/suicidality in general by expressing the belief that suicidal ideation is only defined by situational factors. If that were truly the case then the citizens of Gaza would be killing themselves en masse and no person with a good life/job/loving family would ever do the same.

I'm not going to expose my own circumstances and doxx myself in order to convince someone on the internet who keeps harping on about being saved by God despite being told about existing religious trauma that my unique suffering is not fixable with therapy. My issue doesn't fall into the remit of what therapy treats and no amount of patronising or guilt-tripping is going to change that.

I loved life more than that person will ever know, despite long-standing personal challenges. I worked unbelievably hard through really difficult odds over and over again to build an amazing life and future that I had wanted since childhood and that was finally happening. I was advocating for other marginalised groups and helping many more people through other means. I was (and by some still am) loved beyond measure by plenty of people, and I not only had a strong purpose but I am now trapped watching all the things that I've lost because of what happened move on without me with nothing that I can do to change it.

I don't idolise or romanticise death. I'm angry. I'm resentful that after all the endless hard work, self improvement and recovery that I pushed myself through that this is where I ended up. I never wanted to be in this position and fought tooth and nail to avoid it because personally life was not only worth living but something to be truly excited about, but I don't get to choose that now, and I'm terrified.

So quite frankly that person with their cookie cutter perspectives and their know-it-all "this is what you need to hear because I've already decided in my head who you are" because people can only fit into their very limited world view can get fucked.

Perhaps Stan's Guide on the site should be updated following this thread because speaking to this person is already proving to be a much more effective suicide catalyst.​
 
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Lee somehow thinks that I'm some random Twitter account on twitter named sugary as if I have time to post tweets to him when I work full time. 🤣

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Don't you know there are starving children in Africa with no sodium nitride to eat?!
 
@afounder
Decided to read through your ToS/rules before making up my mind. I'm not sure if you're outright lying (leaning very heavily towards this possibility) or if this was simply written out of ignorance but you all seem more than competent enough to know the real answer to this question.
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You're using Xenforo, so anyone with access to the database can view PMs. Additionally, there are numerous add-ons that can enable the admin to permit selected staff to easily view PMs or even quietly log-in as any user on your forum.
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But surely a totally moral and upstanding Libertarian such as yourself would never violate the NAP like that ;)
This is an extremely useful resource for anyone who wants to know how things work on the backend of any Xenforo forum. So many add-ons!
Anyway, consider rewriting your FAQ to more accurately reflect the truth. It'd be a shame to directly lie to so many people right before they off themselves.
Really a sodium nitrite laced cherry on top of everything else
 
@afounder
Decided to read through your ToS/rules before making up my mind. I'm not sure if you're outright lying (leaning very heavily towards this possibility) or if this was simply written out of ignorance but you all seem more than competent enough to know the real answer to this question.
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You're using Xenforo, so anyone with access to the database can view PMs. Additionally, there are numerous add-ons that can enable the admin to permit selected staff to easily view PMs or even quietly log-in as any user on your forum.
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But surely a totally moral and upstanding Libertarian such as yourself would never violate the NAP like that ;)
This is an extremely useful resource for anyone who wants to know how things work on the backend of any Xenforo forum. So many add-ons!
Anyway, consider rewriting your FAQ to more accurately reflect the truth. It'd be a shame to directly lie to so many people right before they off themselves.
Really a sodium nitrite laced cherry on top of everything else

Just to preface this, this is probably @shawshank aka @melo (William Lupinacci) trying to stir up shit again, so I'll just tell you what I know.

It is true that you can "see" PMs using Xenforo via database access, but this is also true for every forum software you use. The only way to prevent this would be to encrypt PMs, which is not something that can easily done via Xenforo.

However, almost no one has database access besides whoever has access to the direct server itself. One would need root access and MySQL access to even access the database in the first place, which only me and the other co-founder had access to. I only gave access to one person when I left, so it is left to them.

There are plugins that allow viewing of PMs, but none were ever installed.

Not only is it impractical to view PMs through the database, but none of us had the time to do that in the first place, or would we do so for any reason, so the FAQ is essentially correct: The mods do not have access to PMs unless the specific message is reported, and they are only able to see that specific message and nothing else.
 
Just to preface this, this is probably @shawshank aka @melo (William Lupinacci) trying to stir up shit again
Literally jumping at shadows, bud. I'm just a Kiwi who doesn't buy your bullshit. Thanks for telling me which accounts are like minded though.
The only way to prevent this would be to encrypt PMs, which is not something that can easily done via Xenforo.
It's obvious you don't care at all about your "community", so I get that it's too much to ask. Half of them won't be around to complain, so why bother?
One would need root access and MySQL access to even access the database in the first place, which only me and the other co-founder had access to. I only gave access to one person when I left, so it is left to them.

There are plugins that allow viewing of PMs, but none were ever installed.
For you to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that privacy invading add-ons have never been installed that would have to mean you still have full control and knowledge of the site. So did you "leave" or are you still capable of running PR for the site as it is now?
so the FAQ is essentially correct: The mods do not have access to PMs unless the specific message is reported, and they are only able to see that specific message and nothing else.
You're playing word games. The question was "do staff", not just mods, who have lower permissions. Staff includes admins. So yes, the staff do have access to PMs. No amount of Talmudic jigaboo mental gymnastics will make it otherwise.

For everyone else ITT, I want you to think about your beliefs and really question them. This is a scumbag deathfat nigger literally profiting off of people killing themselves. It's every blood libel made against KF, but real.
The current BTC address he advertises has brought in $40K since last year but he also says to contact staff if you want to donate any other way. Knowing how hard it is to get normalfags to adopt BTC, you can be assured that he's making much more than that, having not (yet) been debanked like our Deer Feeder.
If you're going to equate his forum to ours and thusly argue that it has every right to exist, you're going to find yourself with some very strange bedfellows.
Within the extremely retarded Internet Libertarian worldview, you cannot argue that suicide enabling sites have a right to exist but not something like a lolicon forum. No victimless crimes, right guys? It's just information, just like it's just drawings. Freeze peach, hold the Internet together, everyone and everything has a right to exist, amorality ≠ immorality, right? The very fabric of the Internet is at stake, for Christ's sake!
I'll end by saying that the site should be archived and remain publicly available. But every single member of it's staff should be legally tried and executed by the State, at least in my humble opinion.

Ding me with all the MATI and puzzle pieces you wish, but if you can't see why it's unacceptable for a deathfat, bitchless, literal nigger to be living in a bourgeois gated community as a result of his pandering to suicidal young, mostly White, people, you're already too far gone for me to care what you think.
 
Literally jumping at shadows, bud. I'm just a Kiwi who doesn't buy your bullshit. Thanks for telling me which accounts are like minded though.
You literally joined 2 days ago. You can say whatever you want but as a newfag you'll be viewed with more suspicion.
This is a scumbag deathfat nigger literally profiting off of people killing themselves. It's every blood libel made against KF, but real.
Do you have any evidence that he's still involved with the site? Huge if true.
The current BTC address he advertises has brought in $40K since last year but he also says to contact staff if you want to donate any other way. Knowing how hard it is to get normalfags to adopt BTC, you can be assured that he's making much more than that, having not (yet) been debanked like our Deer Feeder.
Source?
 
I'm just a Kiwi who doesn't buy your bullshit

> Account made 2 days ago.
> "I'm just a fellow kiwi!"

I can see if it was an allegation made alongside others, but it seems to be a new accusation made, one after the other, seemingly from the same person or the same group of people.

I'm not buying it, sorry.

For everyone else ITT, I want you to think about your beliefs and really question them. This is a scumbag deathfat nigger literally profiting off of people killing themselves. It's every blood libel made against KF, but real.

Overweight? Yeah.

Deathfat? Definitely not.

Profiting off people's deaths, definitely not.

They're definitely trying for character assassination now, since they couldn't get me through media pressure and doxing or legally. This seems to be the pattern now:

  1. Make a post here detailing baseless accusations without proof.
  2. Once ridiculed and called out, make a new account, making more baseless accusations without proof.
I have provided proof for my claims, yet you all made baseless claims without providing proof. If you provide the proof that I "profitted from people's deaths" then people can judge for themselves.

Ding me with all the MATI and puzzle pieces you wish, but if you can't see why it's unacceptable for a deathfat, bitchless, literal nigger to be living in a bourgeois gated community as a result of his pandering to suicidal young, mostly White, people, you're already too far gone for me to care what you think.

Lol.

More baseless claims.

Look who decided to join us, after not logging in since the 15th.

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Apologies, the current one has only received ~7K. It was very late last night when I was poking around and may have associated the current price of BTC with the wallets value. There's an a screenshot of the old address before this page was updated but I didn't bother to check it. Will post more shortly, busy IRL
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Nobody's "gatekeeping" the thread, Willy. You can come and post any time you like. You don't need to make yet another sock.
I'm not the sock of anyone who has posted ITT. As much it would be kicking myself in the dick to do so, I'll gladly clarify who I am with staff if pressed, purely because this other account is right in his stance on this evil shit and shouldn't be wrongly accused. I'm no one interesting or associated with that community.
If you provide the proof that I "profitted from people's deaths" then people can judge for themselves.
 
Apologies, the current one has only received ~7K. It was very late last night when I was poking around and may have associated the current price of BTC with the wallets value. There's an a screenshot of the old address before this page was updated but I didn't bother to check it. Will post more shortly, busy IRL

I'm not the sock of anyone who has posted ITT. As much it would be kicking myself in the dick to do so, I'll gladly clarify who I am with staff if pressed, purely because this other account is right in his stance on this evil shit and shouldn't be wrongly accused. I'm no one interesting or associated with that community.


I didn't know collecting donations equated to "profiting off suicide".

Controversial sites took lots of money to run.

I'm not an angel by any means, but I'm definitely not some evil guy like you all claim either.
 
I'm not an angel by any means, but I'm definitely not some evil guy like you all claim either.
Amorality is immorality. Answer my question. Only one of these things can be true at the same time:
For you to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that privacy invading add-ons have never been installed that would have to mean you still have full control and knowledge of the site. So did you "leave" or are you still capable of running PR for the site as it is now?
You're the most jewish nigger I've seen since Jussie Smollett
I didn't know collecting donations equated to "profiting off suicide".
The logic is very easy to follow. You've facilitated the suicides of dozens of people. Those donations go directly to continuing to facilitate suicide. It's literally profiting from suicide.
I'd have some respect for you if you just owned it and said yes, reality is reality. Instead you have to use these Talmudic "Um Ackshuallys" to even live with yourself.
 
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