First off, the forum is 18+ so your claim of "giving lonely teenagers a platform for attention" falls flat on its face. You're making an emotionally charged argument with no evidence to back it up.
You're purposely using teens in your argument to invoke emotion and anger, but the notion that there's a whole bunch of teens on the site doesn't seem like the reality to me.
Fine, my opinion doesn't change when discussing suicidal adults. But your ability to limit SS's access to children is limited at best, and you know that, which is why you're really defensive when I bring up the fact that your user base skews young (because suicide as a cause of death skews young.)
But to say that suicidal people over 18 should be put under psych hold "for their own good" is the same shortsighted approach that we've had for a long time, and an approach that isn't working. If you're arriving at a site like SS, you are most likely already in therapy or been through therapy and/or been put under a psych hold before. No one is being goaded or encouraged into suicide like many people would like to claim, like yourself.
You're not actively goading or encouraging suicide, but you support it, you think it's a valid option to end one's suffering, and you're supplying suicidal people with step-by-step "recipes" they can use to complete a suicidal gesture. It's like anachan websites: are they *encouraging* eating disorders? Not explicitly, but they're giving anorexics a home to post their diet tips, recipes, thinspo, and body hate dysmorphia pics, and they'll discourage users from visiting a reality check on them. I have no doubt that if I was trying to talk to you on your forum, I'd've been banned by now for microaggressing your poor suicidal users and denying the 'legitimacy' of suicide.
A simple look at the website proves anyone that is trying to make some false narrative about the site wrong by almost all metrics. The system is completely broken and you're propping up the broken system and siding with the government instead of trying to fix the system.
The system and the government don't get better by encouraging people to fucking kill themselves. Do you seriously understand what you're saying?
Recovery is a good path, but it is not the only path.
SUICIDE is not a legitimate way to heal yourself, fuck off. If you believe in God, death is bleak and depressing, if you don't, death is fucking terrifying. I'll not endorse it, and I'm happy to tell you you're a self-righteous, brainsick, pompous idiot.
Suicide is inherently selfish but it's a choice like anything else. Whether or not life is worth living is just your opinion, you've had your own experiences with it and others have had there's. Therapy doesn't fix everything and you can't possibly relate to someone with facial deformities or in stringent poverty; each case is different and mere platitudes or praying to some God isn't going to reverse those convictions.
WRONG. Life is objectively worth living because death is (basically) total annihilation of the self. A bad existence is in (nearly every) circumstance better than not existing. By killing oneself, one forecloses on any possibility of future improvements. I do not, will not agree that suicide is a reasoned decision made by rational moral actors. It's a choice made more often by brainsick people who are caught in a tunnel-vision of suicidal ideation that only allows them to focus on their pain. I can say that as someone who has lived in that reality-warping field before, and lived to see my life improve.
SS members take comfort in the fact that the site gives them a place to vent their issues and knowledge on methods they can use to check out whenever they need to, like in that one family guy episode:
I do not think that is what you guys are achieving over there, even if that's what you think you're doing. You're making each other worse, just like the anachans and the trannies. It's fucked, and I'm happy to tell you it's fucked.
Fucking kill yourself
@Stan, why are you shitting this thread up too? Take your gunt back to your thread and the feminazi thread, or better yet, go join SS if you want a forum to be frens with.
No thanks, I don't think I will.
And FWIW I'm here to make the case that *maybe* suicide isn't a legitimate answer to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. How cunty of me, indeed.
"Broken your neck and spending your day paralyzed drooling on your clothes and shitting yourself? Try therapy, and if it doesn't work you didn't try hard enough"
You probably think the people who jumped from the towers didn't try hard enough either.
Oh FFS. The victims of 9/11 were in a burning building with no hope of escape. You are not in that situation, Elena. I'm very sorry you're feeling this way, but your life is worth living. You have people who care about you. You are NEEDED.
And, if someone hangs themselves, fucks it up, and survives to become even more miserable: I'm sorry for them, but they really, literally brought it on themselves. Consider that another reason NOT to make suicidal gestures: if you fuck it up and survive, you might be on the hook for even more pain and misery than you were before. (And before you say it. No, that is not an endorsement to eat NaNO2. Do not fucking overdose on curing salt.)
This is not available in the vast majority of countries, so what about the rest of the world? Your perspectives are very self-centric. There is a bigger world out there than Canada.
I'm in the US, and something like half the states here allow for MAID. And I think it's a thing in Europe too. Anyway, you are not living in sub-saharan Africa. You are not dying of privation in Gaza. You are not without access to mental health resources, nor medication. And I'm going to venture to say that *nobody* on SS is living in subhuman conditions, poor as shit, because if they were they wouldn't be able to browse the web and write long-ass posts about how suicide is a totally rational, legitimate choice, and not at all a product of their mental illness.
Ok this is the final response to this because to be honest I'm already suicidal.
Please don't do anything rash. Or even if you think it's totally well-planned and rational, don't do it anyway. You're better than this.
Above references have been to people who have been seeking treatment - as specifically mentioned. The word 'decades' was used. And what if people are done living with a disability that has taken away every ounce of their quality of life? Is that not their choice or would you force them through another decade of therapy and tell them they did it wrong when life is still too much much for them to bear? Will you take away their pain? Will you change the benefits system so that they don't live in poverty? Will you organise proper social care?
I can certainly try to make the world a better place; I live my life in witness to the possibility that things can get better, even if they seem really bleak. I try to help improve the world I live in, even if it's just a little bit. I have the desire to fight for better, and while I can sympathize with feeling exhausted and like nothing you've tried has worked, I don't sympathize with giving up and joining the 41%. People are out there living their lives with cerebral palsy, with osteogenesis imperfecta, and they still have meaningful lives where they can experience pleasure and joy. If fucking Hotwheels is out there living his best life, I am not going to cut you a pass because you've given up.
No-one is saying that people should kill themselves. But they *do*. No-one should live in a world where they don't have access to the right care, but they *do*. So if you want fewer people to take their lives then advocate for improvement in the areas that drive people to it. In the meantime, people who have had enough will try to look for the most peaceful methods they can instead of throwing themselves in front of a truck.
Arguably, telling you not to kill yourself, over and over, and trying to reason with you and affirm your feelings without validating your belief that suicide is a rational, morally defensible thing for you to do, is an example of me trying to achieve that. I don't know you IRL, and you've been nothing but snarky to me. But I see you right now as being like a drunk person, except instead of being intoxicated by alcohol you're intoxicated with this romanticized idea that suicide is somehow noble, preferable to life, and harms nobody but yourself. And that last part is IMPORTANT, mate; if each man was an island, I'd feel less strongly about their decision to off themselves. But really, no man is an island, you're interconnected with many people who love you and care about you. Your death would haunt every one of them for the rest of their lives.
When I told my husband to just kill me when the Dementia finally takes serious hold, because forgetting how to swallow and breathe while wearing a shit filled diaper, after having cost my family thousands in health care bills is not how I want to go out, he said "I'm not going to jail for you." I get that. So, I have a backup plan. I just hope I can remember what it is, before I sundown for good.
That is honestly one of the few times I could agree that suicide would be better; if the alternative is a slow, painful, and indignified death effective more-or-less immediately.
