Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[Stan]

no, they aren't. they operate like a pajeet tech support call center for mental illness.

Surprisingly this is less deleterious than teens committing performative suicide for their friends on some forum by hotboxing 60L helium gas.

Your methods are silly, did you know that? What ever happened to tossing yourself off a parking deck like a chap

 

[PPEcel]

This whole thread devolved into basically random newfags joining just to accuse @afounder over the course of dozens of pages of random shit that he may or may not have not done and how this somehow makes him literally Hitler or something. Great quality discussion you got there.

It's pretty funny that the biggest lolcow of the thread is not the black incel Hitler figure that everyone has made @afounder out to be. Now why is that?

Generations of shitty TV have convinced Americans that law is an exercise in saying magical words to people in robes and that the point of law school is to learn magical words. That's why so many low-information types will screech "shouting fire in a theater" in arguing that forums like KF are unprotected by the First Amendment, as if obiter dictum from a century-old, now-overturned case has any bearing on how the Constitution is currently interpreted. Or they will type "United States free speech exceptions" into Google, and once they've learned magical words such as "fighting words" and "incitement," without reading any case law, they'll repeat them ad nauseam in the hopes that the magic will work and that Interpol will swoop in and arrest everyone on the internet who maliciously exposed them to a differing viewpoint. (Despite Interpol being an administrative entity with no law enforcement powers anywhere, there's a significant number of idiots who think that they are an "international police force".)

This lack of understanding explains most of the anti-SS crowd's desperate antics. People like Kelli Wilson are enormously upset because, after a personal tragedy of their own making, some smarmy Assistant U.S. Attorney is unable to simply cast a magic spell and change the interwebs and throw Master in prison for life. I mean, start at 35:10 of Tantacrul's crappy video and just listen to Rep. Lori Trahan:

I sat on my bed and I listened to the whole thing. I thought, "How could this be?" And I just thought it was going to be, y'know, "Okay, folks don't know that this is happening." "I'm going to write to the Department of Justice," "and I'm going to say, 'You need to shut this down." And then I was reminded that there, uh, y'know, this is a complex legal territory that we're in, um, so it wasn't just so straightforward, um...

It's honestly pretty sad that a member of Congress had to be "reminded" that the First Amendment was "complex legal territory". This person is a lawmaker? Maybe we'll hire an engineer who doesn't understand the Pythagorean theorem to design a bridge. I'm sure it'll work out just fine for the people driving on it.

So as far as this thread is concerned, here's what the most ardent and zealous opposition to @afounder boils down to. Three categories:

1) Lefty journoscum who simply do not believe in individual agency, for ideological reasons. They also believe that the state should exercise a terrifying amount of control over online speech. They consider SS responsible for deaths the same way that Null and LibsofTikTok are "stochastic terrorists" responsible for the "trans genocide" (lol), because post hoc ergo propter hoc.

2) Narcissist parents of those who caught the plane who simply do not believe in individual agency, but for personal reasons. They believe that their son or daughter was "groomed" into committing suicide and want "accountability" (except for their own actions). The alternative is coming to terms with the fact that they were a terrible enough parent to the extent that their child didn't feel comfortable coming to them for support.

3) William Lupinacci, aka "melo". Mentally ill troon fetishist from Reston, VA who is on his 5th or 6th KF account, has autistically stalked @afounder since he was booted off an incel wiki project (how socially inept do you have to be an outcast among incels?). Might deserve a thread here in his own right.

Of course, there's some legitimate criticism to be made of SS (and every online platform in existence). But that criticism is unlikely to encompass "we should fundamentally reshape the internet and silence millions of people, fuck your rights," or "Master should be publicly executed for running an (entirely legal) website."

 

[PPEcel]

If you want to die, did you really need a forum instructable to show you how to overdose on meat curing salt?

Wasn't some kid in the OP decapitated by a train or something?

 

[Markass the Worst]

Wasn't some kid in the OP decapitated by a train or something?

Not just "some kid", the kid who is the entire reason Tantacrul took a shit on SS in the first place. (System64 / SpentStardust / Matteo) Of course, he conveniently omits in his entire video that he planned the train decapitation himself, and doesn't even mention that the method was decapitation. Because if he did, anyone with a brain would know that you don't need a brain to know how to kill yourself via train, and SS had basically no help in his death.

I genuinely wonder if he wanted SS moderators (who didn't even know he was a minor) to dox the kid enough to report him to the police and get him involuntarily committed or something. He never spells it out but he always is working off of the assumption that the site could've done "something" to prevent that death. Instead of, you know, the society that failed him, but that's harder to solve so he just blames the site instead.

 

[AnOminous]

Your methods are silly, did you know that? What ever happened to tossing yourself off a parking deck like a chap

Wow that's some serious empathy right there.

 

[afounder]

Not just "some kid", the kid who is the entire reason Tantacrul took a shit on SS in the first place. (System64 / SpentStardust / Matteo) Of course, he conveniently omits in his entire video that he planned the train decapitation himself, and doesn't even mention that the method was decapitation. Because if he did, anyone with a brain would know that you don't need a brain to know how to kill yourself via train, and SS had basically no help in his death.

I genuinely wonder if he wanted SS moderators (who didn't even know he was a minor) to dox the kid enough to report him to the police and get him involuntarily committed or something. He never spells it out but he always is working off of the assumption that the site could've done "something" to prevent that death. Instead of, you know, the society that failed him, but that's harder to solve so he just blames the site instead.

I remember when Tantacrul said here that I was trying to downplay my involvement and that the scary internet police was going to show up at the door and haul me off the jail because I founded the forum. We later found out that nothing of the sort would happen. If I wanted to downplay my involvement, I would have shut up and hired a lawyer, not talked about it on an internet forum. He came here high and mighty, like he thought anyone was going to buy into his bullshit, and he pretty much got his ass handed to him.

If he genuinely cared about the people on SS or mental health in general, he would have not done the video at all. All he has done is driven a bunch of people that wouldn't have otherwise visited or known about the forum, to the forum. Even though he didn't explicitly name the forum, he did name me, which my name is associated with the forum in Google Search, and people were easily be able to put 2 and 2 together and visit the forum.

As for the person that he talked about in the video, from what I've seen, he already had his suicide planned long before SS and I don't think the forum changed his mind or anyone on the forum "encouraged" him to go through with it.

It's honestly pretty sad that a member of Congress had to be "reminded" that the First Amendment was "complex legal territory". This person is a lawmaker? Maybe we'll hire an engineer who doesn't understand the Pythagorean theorem to design a bridge. I'm sure it'll work out just fine for the people driving on it.

Many members of congress do not understand how laws are applied. Someone like Kelli will be like "a forum is coaching kids to suicide" and the congressman in question will not do any sort of investigation beyond reading biased news articles from journos to form their opinions and wonder why the Department of Justice couldn't do anything. They wrote a letter to the DOJ and I bet they were schooled by the DOJ due to the laws. They're trying to push through laws right now on the subject, which is what the DOJ probably recommended, but I don't see any of those laws passing.

I don't really see the reason to ban substances like SN, when you have rope and weapons, which make up the vast majority of suicides. If you were trying to ban something to reduce suicide, I could see going for a weapons ban, but that would never work. So they go for SN, which has only been used in a small number of suicides. They think a small online forum about suicide is causing suicide, which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Dyn]

Melo has spent the past several pages moral grandstanding over incels discussing age of consent laws, meanwhile freely admitting to sexually exploiting vulnerable mentally ill women:

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By his own words we can tell he does not believe these ftm are men and that he would not be attracted to them if they had mannish features (he will only sleep with them if they are pre-T.) However we all know those poor women only slept with him under the illusion that he accepted them as gay men.

But the guy that runs an online forum is supposedly the piece of shit here?!

Oof, that's not a good look.

 

[PPEcel]

Not just "some kid", the kid who is the entire reason Tantacrul took a shit on SS in the first place. (System64 / SpentStardust / Matteo) Of course, he conveniently omits in his entire video that he planned the train decapitation himself, and doesn't even mention that the method was decapitation. Because if he did, anyone with a brain would know that you don't need a brain to know how to kill yourself via train, and SS had basically no help in his death.

How mentally fucked do you have to be as a parent for your kid to willingly put his head on a train track when a train is approaching and keep it there? Imagine how loud it must've been. And traumatizing for the poor driver.

Fuck these parents. Speaking of them, they've been reading every single post on this thread. Say hi!

https://twitter.com/SanctionedStop/status/1724195628333318618

https://twitter.com/SanctionedStop/status/1724545299308232920

 

[dick brain]

Fuck these parents. Speaking of them, they've been reading every single post on this thread. Say hi!

Hello parents, it sucks that you lost your kids and it's understandable to want someone to blame besides yourselves. I love my parents very much and harbor little resentment towards them even though my childhood was fucked up and I wanted to die, because I know they did the best they could and simply weren't afforded the resources to navigate a shitty situation. I have never used SS but if I wasn't able to use anonymous and pseudonymous forums to talk about my desire to die back then and receive real human support I would have probably killed myself because attempting to seek help through orthodox channels only resulted in being involuntarily detained and significantly worsened my mental state and ability to trust, as detailed earlier in this thread. You are looking for something actionable to do, something to vilify in order to make sense of what happened to your children and sublimate your grief into something positive, but that's not what you're accomplishing. You're trying to destroy a resource similar to the ones that probably saved my life. There are many, many, many areas you could focus your efforts on if you want to make a dent in the mental health crisis, but trying to keep suicidal people from committing suicide without making a commensurate attempt to address the underlying mental health issues that lead to suicidality is, frankly, shitty, and you should honestly reflect on whether this is the kind of intervention your children would have most benefited from, or if there are ways you can spend your time and energy now that helps other parents' children not feel the need to seek out a forum like this in the first place -- ways you could help people not want to die, instead of just not be able to die.

Chances are you won't be receptive to this but I feel obligated to try.

 

[Elena's Shirt]

I haven't changed my opinion on the specific issue of the sodium nitrite method. I'm not a fan of it

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it is worth remembering that SN has popularity because of comparisons against other methods, for example less chance of brain damage or other long-term sequela along with affordability & relative peace. This is as opposed to mangling one's self on a busy road or nerve damage from CO exposure.

Sadly where DIY suicide is concerned there will always be situations of looking for something 'good enough' because the majority of people do not have access to substances such as Nembutal. Nothing will be ideal.​

I personally think suicide should be reserved for either terminal illness or extremely painful and incurable conditions, like refractory trigeminal neuralgia, that effectively reduce quality of life to nothing.

People often underestimate the potential for certain other chronic illnesses or mental health issues to do the same. Many people assume that people with mental health issues are just sad and that everything can be treated, when in reality some of them just can't and will be truly debilitating, and there are structural/ environmental reasons which will corner many people into severe suffering. Obviously it would be better to fix those but as aforementioned, society just cannot be bothered. Where does that leave these people?
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I mean, if you want to get better they are. If you want to die, did you really need a forum instructable to show you how to overdose on meat curing salt?

The SN protocol is more than just 'OD'ing on salt'. Given that it has been established that most high-intentioned suicides are not impulsive then it would not be surprising that some people want to plan things thoroughly in order to reduce additional trauma and suffering for themselves and others.
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no, they aren't. they operate like a pajeet tech support call center for mental illness.

Correct - they are designed to give a person mental/emotional space in moments of crisis, nothing more.

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Surprisingly this is less deleterious than teens committing performative suicide for their friends on some forum by hotboxing 60L helium gas.

Your methods are silly, did you know that? What ever happened to tossing yourself off a parking deck like a chap

It would be interesting to see an example of such a 'peformative suicide'. You are making characteristic judgements of the forum users which, given some time there, you'd realise don't represent them. And the helium method does not work that way; it involves considerable effort and knowledge procuring and setting up pressure regulators & other various paraphernalia.

Beth Matthews attempted suicide by jumping from a bridge, and her resulting injuries became the primary reason for her eventual suicide. People like to talk about how easy it is to just 'do a flip' but people on SS are actually thinking things through, and like @afounder said, this will prevent more suicides than media will ever acknowledge.
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Hello parents, it sucks that you lost your kids and it's understandable to want someone to blame besides yourselves. I love my parents very much and harbor little resentment towards them even though my childhood was fucked up and I wanted to die, because I know they did the best they could and simply weren't afforded the resources to navigate a shitty situation. I have never used SS but if I wasn't able to use anonymous and pseudonymous forums to talk about my desire to die back then and receive real human support I would have probably killed myself because attempting to seek help through orthodox channels only resulted in being involuntarily detained and significantly worsened my mental state and ability to trust, as detailed earlier in this thread. You are looking for something actionable to do, something to vilify in order to make sense of what happened to your children and sublimate your grief into something positive, but that's not what you're accomplishing. You're trying to destroy a resource similar to the ones that probably saved my life. There are many, many, many areas you could focus your efforts on if you want to make a dent in the mental health crisis, but trying to keep suicidal people from committing suicide without making a commensurate attempt to address the underlying mental health issues that lead to suicidality is, frankly, shitty, and you should honestly reflect on whether this is the kind of intervention your children would have most benefited from, or if there are ways you can spend your time and energy now that helps other parents' children not feel the need to seek out a forum like this in the first place -- ways you could help people not want to die, instead of just not be able to die.

Chances are you won't be receptive to this but I feel obligated to try.

Good luck with that; Kelli is convinced that '1 member of SS shot another one in the head while the rest of the forum cheered' and Lee is convinced that Diego is 'selling snuff movies' from the apparently numerous suicide live-streams that people are 'coerced into performing'.

This thread has highlighted how liberal those involved are with the truth to emphasise their outrage, but look at what happens when 1 outlet does not get all the info right about one of their own (image below, I'm not able to link here)

Not sure how many friends they have but reality isn't one of them.

And don't forget folks, they're 'coming for your kids', even though they and their friends drive more minors to the site than anyone.

 

[Bioniclelover]

Fuck these parents. Speaking of them, they've been reading every single post on this thread. Say hi!

perfect time to repost this

 

[Stan]

no, they aren't. they operate like a pajeet tech support call center for mental illness.

Do your parents know you’re buying Thermite off Amazon to blow up your home room class?

Wasn't some kid in the OP decapitated by a train or something?

Yes, but I don’t think you need a forum to tell you that jumping in front of a train will kill you, much less romanticize it.

Not just "some kid", the kid who is the entire reason Tantacrul took a shit on SS in the first place. (System64 / SpentStardust / Matteo) Of course, he conveniently omits in his entire video that he planned the train decapitation himself, and doesn't even mention that the method was decapitation. Because if he did, anyone with a brain would know that you don't need a brain to know how to kill yourself via train, and SS had basically no help in his death.

I genuinely wonder if he wanted SS moderators (who didn't even know he was a minor) to dox the kid enough to report him to the police and get him involuntarily committed or something. He never spells it out but he always is working off of the assumption that the site could've done "something" to prevent that death. Instead of, you know, the society that failed him, but that's harder to solve so he just blames the site instead.

It would be interesting to see an example of such a 'peformative suicide'.

Look I don’t want to disrespect your “culture” or whatever, but live posting to a farewell thread during a suicide attempt is absolutely performative, as the suicides are now being broadcast in real time to a supportive audience and the attempted gets to post about whether it hurts or whatever as it’s happening and get heart emojis and bon voyage replies in return.

You would have to be kidding yourself if you don’t think hanging out with a bunch of people sympathetic to suicide wouldn’t increase the suicidal ideation of an already depressed person, let alone an already depressed and impressionable teenager. These kids aren’t old enough to drink or smoke, so they’re not old enough to determine their life is no longer worth living.

Seems like some of you are all upset because actual suicide prevention resources can put their callers into contact with services like paramedics or police, who have the option to put the callers on a brief (3-5 days) psych hold. I think getting mad about this is stupid, life is worth living (and I think this is true of 95%-98% of suicides) so your anti-Natalism and fatalism that all suicides are non-preventable is plainly self serving,

Go to therapy for fucks sake. Life does get better.

 

[Cumeatsioner Gordon]

I mean, if you want to get better they are. If you want to die, did you really need a forum instructable to show you how to overdose on meat curing salt?

If, by this logic, the site has no effect on if the posters and lurkers are going to actually commit suicide or not, why would you want it to go down?

 

[afounder]

Look I don’t want to disrespect your “culture” or whatever, but live posting to a farewell thread during a suicide attempt is absolutely performative, as the suicides are now being broadcast in real time to a supportive audience and the attempted gets to post about whether it hurts or whatever as it’s happening and get heart emojis and bon voyage replies in return.

That can happen and has happened on almost every platform. Facebook or Twitter for example probably has lots of this, and I don't see you calling for it's closure. I wonder why.

Seems like some of you are all upset because actual suicide prevention resources can put their callers into contact with services like paramedics or police, who have the option to put the callers on a brief (3-5 days) psych hold. I think getting mad about this is stupid, life is worth living (and I think this is true of 95%-98% of suicides) so your anti-Natalism and fatalism that all suicides are non-preventable is plainly self serving,

The fact that psych holds do not prevent suicide and the act of involuntarily committing someone against their will (sometimes for weeks at a time) can make an already actively suicidal person even more suicidal and determined. There are countless stories of how these facilities have treated people (and they treat them terribly) and this shouldn't be the approach we should take as a society to try to reduce suicide.

Getting mad at a system that has shown us that it doesn't work is perfectly rational. We haven't improved our approach to suicide for decades and we wonder why the problem is getting worse.

Go to therapy for fucks sake. Life does get better.

Therapy doesn't prevent suicide. Those that have debilitating illnesses that reduce quality of life can't be helped by therapy.

 

[Stan]

Beth Matthews attempted suicide by jumping from a bridge, and her resulting injuries became the primary reason for her eventual suicide. People like to talk about how easy it is to just 'do a flip' but people on SS are actually thinking things through, and like @afounder said, this will prevent more suicides than media will ever acknowledge.

Strong disagree here. Just like how trannies go harder on trooning out when they congregate into tranny echo chambers, depressed and suicidal people are more likely to join the 41% if they choose to hang out on a community that hands them a bunch of purportedly "painless" methods and shows them other people in the community offing themselves in goodbye threads. Users on SS aren't "thinking things through", they're ruminating and indulging their suicidal ideation.

I'm going to level with you, thread. I've experienced SI before, from both sides (meaning I've had experiences where I thought I would be better off dead, and also, experiences where a person I loved harmed himself and made numerous suicidal gestures, to the point I asked him to start dating his suicide notes so I wouldn't be concerned when I found months-old notes lying around.) And I can sympathize with the inescapable feeling that nothing will get better, but I can also see it's a brain disease, a trick of the mind. That depression may be brought on by trauma, or it may not have. It could be because your parents suck and they deserve to lose you, but I doubt it. If you're reading this and you are suicidal, please hear me when I say YOUR. LIFE. WILL. IMPROVE. IF. YOU. LET. IT.

But, if you choose to kill yourself, that's it. There's no getting over that, recovering from that, and you've committed the most self-defeating act possible. The trauma that boils through you and urges you towards self-destruction will fade. You will get over your GF dumping you, or losing your job, or being unable to progress in your desired career. You can get over substance abuse problems, and other issues that can intensify depression and SI.

Having seen SI in someone else I loved, I can confirm there is nothing more frightening than being worried that they're unsafe any moment they leave your sight. And I'll further confirm that his parents have done/are doing the best they can to help, and that parents of suicides in general don't deserve your condemnation. These people just lost their kids, and you're siding with the mentally ill children who killed themselves.

WTF are you getting out of this community, if not the gumption to DIY your own death? Because the only other options are even worse: if you're on on SS because you want to kill yourself, you're there to gape at people who do, or run your own little Dr. Kevorkian practice telling them "recipes" to end their lives. None of these options are morally defensible. None of these things help anyone get better.

 

[Stan]

If, by this logic, the site has no effect on if the posters and lurkers are going to actually commit suicide or not, why would you want it to go down?

I'm arguing the opposite, dumbnuts. I think that SS encourages suicidal people to commit suicide, and I also think KF threads knowingly try to inflame and provoke cows into doing things KF finds entertaining.

That can happen and has happened on almost every platform. Facebook or Twitter for example probably has lots of this, and I don't see you calling for it's closure. I wonder why.

Because Twitter and Facebook do not have the stated purpose of disseminating handbooks for suicidal people, nor are they intended to be a platform on which to livestream your suicide. Twitter and Facebook actually have policies to remove this bullshit, but you have made it your life to 'help' other people to their deaths.

The fact that psych holds do not prevent suicide and the act of involuntarily committing someone against their will (sometimes for weeks at a time) can make an already actively suicidal person even more suicidal and determined.

Wrong. I can say that as an ex-suicidal person who noticeably improved during a psych hold.

There are countless stories of how these facilities have treated people (and they treat them terribly) and this shouldn't be the approach we should take as a society to try to reduce suicide.

Wrong again, or at minimum, they're better than the solution you promote (encourage rampant mental illness and play into mentally ill people's delusions of misery.)

Getting mad at a system that has shown us that it doesn't work is perfectly rational. We haven't improved our approach to suicide for decades and we wonder why the problem is getting worse.

The system works, if you let it. It's sites like yours that are condoning suicide that are part of the problem.

Therapy doesn't prevent suicide. Those that have debilitating illnesses that reduce quality of life can't be helped by therapy.

Wrong. Therapy can prevent suicide, if the patient is invested in the therapy and willing to work with the therapists. If you're just going to stare at the floor like a sullen teenager and refuse to talk to the therapist, ofc it's not going to work. Your site however encourages your users to do just that: give up on any possibility of getting better, refocus on how miserable they are, and then provide them a handy list of household materials they can ingest to end their lives. You're as brainsick as the rest of them.

 

[Cumeatsioner Gordon]

KF threads knowingly try to inflame and provoke cows into doing things KF finds entertaining

Cowtipping is a bannable offense.

 

[PPEcel]

Cowtipping is a bannable offense.

Is it really cowtipping if the lolcow is in the thread?

Genuine question, I have no clue.

 

[Elena's Shirt]

Look I don’t want to disrespect your “culture” or whatever, but live posting to a farewell thread during a suicide attempt is absolutely performative, as the suicides are now being broadcast in real time to a supportive audience and the attempted gets to post about whether it hurts or whatever as it’s happening and get heart emojis and bon voyage replies in return.

"Performative" or "Not wanting to die alone"? Because you realise that is what people who take their lives have to go through, right? No families sitting by their bedside holding their hands. No proper farewell gatherings or loving goodbyes for anyone - the suicidal person or their circle. Alone. Leaving the world and the one life they have forever. So yes, they might want some company or some kind words. The only 'performative' people will be the occasional trolls who come for attention, but even those are rare.​

There is no 'culture' to offend, just a group of people who respect personal autonomy and who frankly are done with everyone's shit.

You would have to be kidding yourself if you don’t think hanging out with a bunch of people sympathetic to suicide wouldn’t increase the suicidal ideation of an already depressed person, let alone an already depressed and impressionable teenager. These kids aren’t old enough to drink or smoke, so they’re not old enough to determine their life is no longer worth living.

People can leave if they are feeling worse. People do leave if they realise the site is not right for them. And honestly, people will decide whether or not they want to live regardless of whether or nor they are on the site, only being on the site gives them people to speak to who truly understand what they are going through. Many people come to the site because they have already made attempts and damaged themselves.

And your point about drinking or smoking (even though they would be old enough to drink and smoke or join the army or take out $100,000 tuition loans and mortgages in most places that are not the USA) - SS isn't giving members substances. Adults exchange information and support eachother, and anyone found to not be an adult is removed.​

Seems like some of you are all upset because actual suicide prevention resources can put their callers into contact with services like paramedics or police, who have the option to put the callers on a brief (3-5 days) psych hold. I think getting mad about this is stupid, life is worth living (and I think this is true of 95%-98% of suicides) so your anti-Natalism and fatalism that all suicides are non-preventable is plainly self serving,

Ok, then what? Does a 3-5 day hold fix them? You do realise (or apparently not) that many members have been committed - and traumatised - multiple times and even more members are currently seeking help and already have therapists? You realise that members also exchange information about different treatments and recovery methods that they are trying because some of them are desperate to get better? Two people in recent news coverage, Deaf Immy and Beth Matthews were public about the fact that they were already seeking mental health treatment.​

To add - your anti-natalism & fatalism comments are again your own assumptions. Sure, a suicde discussion forum will have it's share of members with those views but there are still plenty who don't. I personally hold quite the opposite views. I just don't assume that everyone who wants to end their life is an impulsive, edgy, fatalistic kid. And it is treating suicidal people like grown-ups that attracts many people to the site.

Go to therapy for fucks sake. Life does get better.

For who?

Ugh, this was just updated to respond to the most recent comment but didn't save. In short - people are suicidal for more than just depression. Therapy helps many but doesn't help all. And many people have moved on from SS because they are on the road to recovery and were grateful to have a place that truly empathised with their situation and that people gave them more substantial understanding and support than 'life gets better' and 'get therapy'.

Further edit: Perhaps you can tell this person from Twitter who has nothing to do with SS that they should get therapy and that life gets better:

 

[Stan]

"Performative" or "Not wanting to die alone"? Because you realise that is what people who take their lives have to go through, right?

Livestreaming your suicide is not at all the same as dying of natural causes with your family attendant. One of these is a choice; the other is an inevitability. And you're kidding yourself if you think that allowing lonely teenagers the platform to post about their suicide attempts live isn't reinforcing to them by providing them with the attention and sympathy they crave.

There is no 'culture' to offend, just a group of people who respect personal autonomy and who frankly are done with everyone's shit.

If you're under 18, your personal autonomy is negligible. If you're mentally ill and not compos mentis (a suicidal person meets this standard), your personal autonomy can be temporarily suspended in the interest of keeping you alive. I know that sucks to hear, but the vast majority of suicidal people stand to improve their lives and make them worth living, and so we have a system in place to keep suicides from killing themselves in the depths of a depressive fugue. Like the ones induced on SS.

Does a 3-5 day hold fix them? You do realise (or apparently not) that many members have been committed - and traumatised - multiple times and even more members are currently seeking help and already have therapists? You realise that members also exchange information about different treatments and recovery methods that they are trying because some of them are desperate to get better? Two people in recent news coverage, Deaf Immy and Beth Matthews were public about the fact that they were already seeking mental health treatment.

I'm not going to pretend that recovery from depression is easy. I too have gone on the medication carousel and for a time I was on track to get ECT (I did not end up going through with it.) But depressed people owe it to themselves, and to everyone who loves them, to hang in there and try to build a life that's worth living to them. That's the way out.

For who?

YOU if you participate in it honestly and do the work. Nobody if you're just going to waste a therapist's time bitching about how you want to off yourself to spite your parents.