s&box - Spiritual successor to Garry's Mod.

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Do you think the game is gonna suck?

  • Trannies will ruin it.

    Votes: 135 39.8%

  • No.

    Votes: 20 5.9%

  • Yes.

    Votes: 73 21.5%

  • Gmod is better.

    Votes: 111 32.7%
  • Total voters
    339
Why is he making it just a free weekend if he's planning to make it f2p later on? It looks like he knows the game is in a dire state yet still wants to squeeze a few more purchases before the inevitable f2p status.
 
The mentions of "Source 2" has been removed.

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Garry’s reaction to the free weekend isn’t going so well. He got plans to change the playfund model.

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S&box youtuber Eridium has requested to... uh... become a community manager for Facepunch, for some reason. I'm not going to watch his shitty video, and you shouldn't either.
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You mean your 10k sub channel about a dead game isn't paying the bills, nigger? 499 videos for nothing.

An existing moderator or something (forgot what his actual title was - he doesn't actually work for Facepunch though), trundler, A.K.A. Aiden Curtis of Long Beach, California says no.
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This person has told others to kill themselves on the S&box discord before and still has the Garry Seal of Approval. He did a bunch of other bad shit as well but I lowkey don't remember what.

Garry responded to Eridium's video with a wall of text, which Eridium reposted on twitter.
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If you decide you ain't readin' all that, I don't blame you. I did read it and it's basically a more serious version of his tweet acknowledging that a lot of the current stuff isn't working. Facepunch will not be hiring Eridium, although he says they have considered it before.

Garry also claims he attempted to post this comment before and it "mysteriously disappeared", suggesting it was either deleted by Eridium or YouTube for some reason.

The comment has since been edited. The only change appears to be the addition of the text "Message me on whatsapp or discord or steam or email. I am here on the same internet as you. Just message me and ask questions."

I'm going to paste the full text of the comment inside this quote box in case it gets deleted again or Garry edits it again.
Posting this again since my other comment has mysteriously disappeared...

I like the citizen, I have liked the citizen and I will like the citizen. It gave the game and the platform an identity. Some people like it, most people don't like it. I do still strongly believe that if we were an indie studio making our first game with this character that people wouldn't bat an eyelid, but because we're being compared to Half-Life 2 it's an issue. I wanted to keep doing more with it, to try and improve it and get it to a place where it's likable.. but I think I'm done trying now and we're just going to get rid of it and push the human characters forward. I don't like giving up on things, I am stubborn, if there's a problem I want to find an elegant solution. We have obviously dedicated a lot of time and effort into it so there is a sunk cost fallacy there. It's at the point now where I can see it isn't going to change and we're going t have fewer headaches if we just switch totally to humans, so we'll be doing that over the next month or so.

There being too much content is a problem. It's no good having 20 good games on the platform when they're swimming in the sea of 500 tech demos and clickers. We're going to address that, we already have plans. We're changing Playfund so it's not incentivising it. We're going to switch to a Workshop subscribe/install model for maps and games. We've been trying to have a system where we show you 200 games and let you choose - and it's not what people want. Even if there are 50,000 awesome HL3 quality games, no-one actually wants to choose that way. That's apparent now, that's become really clear.

The launch was shit. The free weekend was shit. We wanted to float under the radar on launch and build up, but we didn't. It was crap, it has burnt bridges and made people angry, it's given a negative view of s&box, it's turned the gmod community against it. We can't get away from that, we fucked it. We weren't ready and we fucked it. We know that, you know that, we fucked it.

We have had conversations about hiring you a few times. The conclusion we've always come up with is that you're more useful to us as an independant. We don't want you thinking you can't make videos like this calling us out. We don't want you to stop holding us to account. We're well aware that you're the only youtuber that really covers us extensively. I appreciate that and I'd definitely like to find ways to work together with you in any way we can. But us hiring isn't going to be the one. Message me on whatsapp or discord or steam or email. I am here on the same internet as you. Just message me and ask questions.

I'm well aware of the situation we have here, and the situation in the past. It's deflating, demoralizing and embarrassing.

Right now with AI it's either the worst time in history to launch a UGC platform or the best time in history to launch a UGC platform. I don't know which one. I do have the distinct feeling that in 10 years time we'll be looking back at the stuff we do in the next 3 months and either regretting making decisions or regretting not making them.
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Oh and apparently Garry has also been raging on reddit again
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How hard is it to just think "Hmm, people want garrys mod 2 and not some shitty roblox clone, lets give them it". Instead they are going to shove their own heads up their asses and pretend like nothing is going wrong and shit will just work out in the end.

It should have been garrys mod 2. It should have came with a proper sandbox mode out of the box. It should have had Valve models support instead of being greedy and pocketing the percentage cut Valve was asking for a game that you yourself have said is going to go free to play in the future anyways. It should have had the ability to just have... any model you want to be, because its a sandbox game. It should have had ACTUAL steam workshop support, not your own servers, especially since it makes no fucking sense and s&box can only be on Steam anyways.

You could have done a million things differently to be better, and your choosing to do none of them and instead continue trying to fix a system no one wants in the first place. Have fun wasting your time, Garry.
 
Rust Troony said:
How hard is it to just think "Hmm, people want garrys mod 2 and not some shitty roblox clone, lets give them it". Instead they are going to shove their own heads up their asses and pretend like nothing is going wrong and shit will just work out in the end.

It should have been garrys mod 2. It should have came with a proper sandbox mode out of the box. It should have had Valve models support instead of being greedy and pocketing the percentage cut Valve was asking for a game that you yourself have said is going to go free to play in the future anyways. It should have had the ability to just have... any model you want to be, because its a sandbox game. It should have had ACTUAL steam workshop support, not your own servers, especially since it makes no fucking sense and s&box can only be on Steam anyways.

You could have done a million things differently to be better, and your choosing to do none of them and instead continue trying to fix a system no one wants in the first place. Have fun wasting your time, Garry.
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He should just start work on a whole redevlopment of the game as S&Box 2.0 or something. He's got the money and resources to do it. Wouldn't be the first time he's done that to a game too, only few people probably remember but Rust was very different in its early stages and had a huge negative response during its early development. It used to have zombies and people considered it no different from all the other zombie survival games coming out at the time, Garry and his team was able to redevelop Rust at the end and made it a popular game that focused on PVP and social civil/uncivil interactions instead.

Like if he just went dormant for a year or two working with his team to redevelop S&Box and did a big ad campaign talking about how he fucked up and changes they made. He would get people back. Wouldn't be the first time in Facepunch history with games they developed.
 
BibiLivesMatter said:
He should just start work on a whole redevlopment of the game as S&Box 2.0 or something. He's got the money and resources to do it. Wouldn't be the first time he's done that to a game too, only few people probably remember but Rust was very different in its early stages and had a huge negative response during its early development. [...]
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The difference is S&box is fundamentally a bad concept as a Robloxified Gmod, with nothing it can transform into. There's nothing S&box can do new as a UGC platform. Rust benefitted from being in the market early since nobody had yet made a survival game founded on PvP.

Gary's also probably fixated on the thumb people because they're supposed to be his version of the R6 and R15 avatars
 
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BibiLivesMatter said:
Like if he just went dormant for a year or two working with his team to redevelop S&Box and did a big ad campaign talking about how he fucked up and changes they made. He would get people back.
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Soggy Floppa said:
What gets me is the game has been in early access for like 6 years before release, he had more than half a decade to fix things and he never did
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Tbh just based on his tone he has a massive ego and has spared no expense on its behalf
 
geckogoy said:
Tbh just based on his tone he has a massive ego and has spared no expense on its behalf
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Garry's ego is the root cause of most of S&box's issues. He runs the community like a North Korean dictator. It's been like 5 years and he is just now admitting that the sausage models are cringey and weird. But don't you dare say that same thing in the discord, or you're 'outta there. Because you're not Garry and you don't know what's best.

Speaking of which, please do not interpret any of Garry's recent activity as him turning a new leaf or becoming a good guy. It's performative at best. He has realized that he literally has no choice but to give in to at least some of the complaints if he wants to salvage any amount of value from this multimillion dollar project.

I've decided to spoiler the rest of this post as it's pretty long. If you read it, just know that I am just a highly verbose person; I pinky promise that I have a life and I'm not spending all day thinking about S&box drama, in the same way that you have interests outside of your favorite lolcow.
I know it's not that serious and it's easy to laugh the pain away (you should!), but Garry just sucks. He wants to take your money for his shitty Unity ripoff that just doesn't work at a fundamental level, and then just ban you for no reason if you complain about it, and keep your money.

Before someone responds with some dumb shit about terms of service and "you promised not to say niggerniggernigger!" I would point to Ducc as an example, who was literally further left than Garry, basically never said anything offensive at all, and still managed to get banned by Matt literally just because Matt felt like it. The literal message he put on the forum was "Banned ducc for criticizing me". Don't get me wrong, a lot of Ducc's behavior has been pretty cringe and retarded, but he was genuinely acting in good faith and banning him after all the time and effort he invested into S&box is pretty fucked up in my opinion.

This company is genuinely toxic at every level and only manages to get away with it because it's "indie" and "small." No offense dude, but when you're making (or I guess losing) millions of dollars at a time, you don't get to use that as a defense anymore.

Garry deserves everything he gets and more. It's going to be even funnier one day in the future when Rust stops being a cash cow, as he'll have nothing left to fall back on when his retarded ideas don't work.
 

Some retard made a video about s&box and what the problem with the game is. Is it the multitude of actual problems the game has? No! Its because the developers are like... mean on discord to people and that drives them away...

This just makes me more upset, seeing that the developers are not infested trannies, and they still couldn't pull off the bare minimum.

Edit: To be fair, they released a video yesterday talking about some of the actual problems. Why this couldnt have been one video, i dont know.
 
Prophetic Spirit said:
Fucking Gary.
20 fucking years to just realize he's a retard.
How the fuck.
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Garry is the one making all this RP content for Rust when the average server wipes weekly and is just full of people with no consideration for any form of fun or whimsy. Garry is trying to make sandbox some sort of virtual game store when everyone would have simply been happy with gmod 2. Props to him for trying to branch out and try something I guess but it's clearly not working out. Garry seems to have a poor grasp of human nature. Which is why he decided to make rust characters procgen to make a point about race and the player base immediately spit in his eye by starting racewars anyway.
 
TLDR for those who don't want to read the announcement:
-The game goes F2P by the end of the year; people who already bought in get some unique cosmetics
-The sausage model is FUCKING DEAD. He's still in the files (to not break existing games that use them), but it's no longer visible in the menu or the avatar editor.
-Human models are the default going forward. There's also a bunch of work being put in to revamp the models and animations.
-Playfund is changing how it works. Previously, they based the payouts almost entirely on which games had the most playtime, which incentivised devs to make low-effort shit like clicker/idle games.
-Proper Steam Workshop support for maps, so that you can download the maps in advance (instead of the current system of streaming them in every time you want to play).
-A bunch of performance/optimization shit

Honestly, I'm surprised it took this long for Garry to admit how badly they fucked up this game. I'm not holding my breath that this will work in their favor, but I'll at least give another shot once the F2P update comes out. Maybe I'm a bit too lenient, but I'm at least willing to give a game a second chance when a dev admits they fucked up and tries to make things right.
 
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