Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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The saddest part is probably that if this really was a remake of the original, the Passione version would've beaten the DEEN version hands down, since the parts they adapted from the VN are actually accurate and set up the story correctly.
I can't say I agree. A prospective Passione Higurashi would be a more accurate adaption than DEEN, but if Gou/Sotsu are anything to go by then I have absolutely no faith in them actually being able to execute it well.
 
I can't say I agree. A prospective Passione Higurashi would be a more accurate adaption than DEEN, but if Gou/Sotsu are anything to go by then I have absolutely no faith in them actually being able to execute it well.
Yeah, there's been enough QUALITY to convince me they're only better than DEEN in adapting the existing stuff. Also, am I misremembering or is Passione the same studio that does JJBA?
 
Watch us get another extension or the final two episodes where we see Satokowashi, but from Rika’s POV and it was all Satoko just being crazy again, seeing as that arc started out with her being cured from HS, I wouldn’t put it past them to waste more time and do something like that. All of Satoko’s issues were delusions! Oh, my! As if that matters at this point.
Oh, we're definitely getting Satokowashi flashbacks, or at least more post '83 stuff involving St. Lucia.
The promotional material and OP have been heavily leaning on that stuff, and it even went as far as to show outfits for the rest of the club that we've never seen before, but none of it came up in Sotsu before, so it's inevitable that they'll try to cover that now, since there aren't any other opportunities for it any more.
Plus, the last episode had Hanyuu go on about how Satoko is supposed to be Rika's best friend who would support Rika in all her endeavours, while clearly believing that Eua is the one who put Satoko up to all this, so she's in just the right position to be lectured by Eua on what really happened after she fucked off to the Sea of Fragments, and what all of Satoko's faith in Rika led her to. I really doubt we'll get a scenario where Rika was entirely blameless and Satoko did everything wrong at this point.
I can't say I agree. A prospective Passione Higurashi would be a more accurate adaption than DEEN, but if Gou/Sotsu are anything to go by then I have absolutely no faith in them actually being able to execute it well.
I don't doubt for a minute that it wouldn't be a perfect adaptation, and that it'd still involve a large amount of questionable direction, especially where it comes to the gore, but I feel strongly that the only reason it got this bad was because Ryukishi just handed them a basic script and let them do whatever they wanted with it. If they were to adapt an existing complete product, that people are already familiar with, there wouldn't be nearly as much room to modify the script.
Plus, DEEN really was just that bad. Onikakushi was a really solid adaptation, but Watanagashi and Tatarigoroshi were absolute shitshows.
Hell, the very first scene of Watanagashi involves them putting Rika's Meakashi death just to put in another edgy opening, despite the many issues that causes. Then they fuck up the doll scene by making it only one game rewarding one prize, so Mion ends up looking really petty when Keiichi gives it to the girl who loves cute shit instead of Mion. The whole deal was that Mion was always the obvious recipient but Keiichi being uncomfortable giving it to Mion was a huge fuckup on his part, and just ended up hurting Mion's feelings. Then they fuck up the twin switches by taking the scene where Mion as Shion leads the villagers to protect Keiichi against the delinquents, and gives it to Shion because they put two scene together. As much shit as I'm willing to give Passione, at least they had the good sense not to fuck those up.
Tatarigoroshi is by all accounts even worse, given all the things they chose to cut out. The lunch competition was pretty important to establish Satoko's guilt, and they also cut out the scene where it was clear that Mion already knew about Teppei from the beginning, as well as the scene where Keiichi makes Mion cry, which was important to Mion's characterization (Mion already got a rough hand in the VN, but she was really fucking garbage in DEEN), even Shion got it worse, since the scene where Keiichi tries to call Mion but ends up reaching Shion, who has a breakdown due to how similar the conversation is to the one she had with Satoshi a year ago, was notably altered, even though it was important to set up her role in Meakashi, especially with how she realizes that she completely ignored Satoshi's last request about taking care of Satoko. There's not any real hints that it wasn't Mion there, which messes up the whole conversation.
And of course, the biggest fuckup of all is the GHD, even though it is one of the most important parts to the overall mystery. It's just a footnote in the anime, somehow, without any of the obvious hints towards the whole government conspiracy.

DEEN's Higurashi is just such a mess of an adaptation that I genuinely cannot recommend it to anyone. I have some issues with the manga, too, but at least that manages to cover all the most important parts and gets the characters right, in spite of its own bizarre decisions such as cutting out the part involving Satoko's abuse at the hands of her earlier stepfathers and how she cannot properly distinguish between their actions and that of her current stepfather, even though it hugely reframes Satoko's backstory.
 
I'll say the Deen adaption had the better direction. Like the Star Wars prequels that on one hand aren't good, but they are so god damn memorable they somehow make up for it and still stick in collective memory. So is Deen with the USODA, suicide by knife and the other insane shit that happens.
 
I can't say I agree. A prospective Passione Higurashi would be a more accurate adaption than DEEN, but if Gou/Sotsu are anything to go by then I have absolutely no faith in them actually being able to execute it well.

I can imagine Passione doing the nail scene with Shion and suddenly there's a flood of blood coating the walls, ceiling, people and probably outside too.
 
So I hear Eua is now a playable character in Mei? IDK if that impacts anything
 
So I hear Eua is now a playable character in Mei? IDK if that impacts anything

"Eua laughs her way into Higurashi Mei"

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Honestly at this point I don't even care, all she every does is laugh because "Witches!" it's honestly really tiring from a character perspective.
 
Honestly at this point I don't even care, all she every does is laugh because "Witches!" it's honestly really tiring from a character perspective.
Ryukishi can claim she's not Featherine all he wants, but come on. And of course he forgot his own characterization and we get this annoying flanderization.

Also, Hanyuu is tied up shibari style. Eua and Hanyuu got the big tiddy. Eua has big "step on me" energy. Hanyuu is a 1000 year old loli who was an adult in the Heian era, I swear officer!

Knowing Ryukishi, he fuses the two into Featherine via lewd
 
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Can someone explain why DEEN’s adaptation is suddenly anathema? Yes, there is of course DEEN’s signature QUALITY that made it so memeable once upon a time, but that was nothing out of the ordinary for the era. It was bad, but it wasn’t unspeakable; like some pretend it is now.
 
Can someone explain why DEEN’s adaptation is suddenly anathema? Yes, there is of course DEEN’s signature QUALITY that made it so memeable once upon a time, but that was nothing out of the ordinary for the era. It was bad, but it wasn’t unspeakable; like some pretend it is now.
I'm honestly not sure. DEEN was my introduction to Higurashi. Yeah they screwed up the question arcs to the point Ryukishi, still having sense, stepped in and forced Reunion and Yakusamashi-hen. The second half was pretty good. It was still overall faithful to the VN's story. The only really bad stuff was in some of the OVAs.
 
I'm honestly not sure. DEEN was my introduction to Higurashi. Yeah they screwed up the question arcs to the point Ryukishi, still having sense, stepped in and forced Reunion and Yakusamashi-hen. The second half was pretty good. It was still overall faithful to the VN's story. The only really bad stuff was in some of the OVAs.
I think people forget that the 00’s was the era of the adaptation-in-name only, with numerous series getting subpar endings because the source material hadn’t ended yet.
 
The only saving grace of SotsuGou is the influx of new Featherine Eua art. There was like, none beforehand.
 
Ryukishi can claim she's not Featherine all he wants, but come on. And of course he forgot his own characterization and we get this annoying flanderization.

Yeah, this is something that also annoyed me.

I get that all of this is technically 3 years before the events of Umineko (1986 vs Higurashi 1983) so maybe she hasn't changed her wardrobe yet into her newer look, but aren't Witches supposed to transcend time & space? If Eua really is Aurora then they nerfed her personality to hell and back.

It's just so damn boring now, every episode is Satoko_Stare.jpg and Eua_Laugh.mp4.
Out of all the things, how the hell did they accomplish making Higurashi boring...
 
The saddest part is probably that if this really was a remake of the original, the Passione version would've beaten the DEEN version hands down, since the parts they adapted from the VN are actually accurate and set up the story correctly.
God, watching Watadamashi was such a sweet hope spot, and then they pulled the rug right under our very noses and feet, and it hurts. They really should've just gone with the reboot angle and left it be, but yeah, I think the gore would've still been way too over-the-top, and whenever they would reach Rika's personality change, I think they definitely would've gone with the glowy eyes shit because they can't seem to animate facial expressions and put in the proper hard shadows to boot. Least DEEN got those right.

Also, when it comes to the Angel Mort scene, Satoko always has that wastebag on her. Why hide the gun in her shirt when she could have just pulled it from the bag? Or did they just forgot that she had it? The incompetence in this series is immaculate.
I have this feeling the animators aren't being directed properly (I bet the dude doesn't care and just wants to go back to directing raunchy romcom shit like he tends to do), or the storyboarders aren't communicating with each other in making sure there's continuity between them. Not even fucking Toei has animation inconsistencies like Passione does here.

Can someone explain why DEEN’s adaptation is suddenly anathema? Yes, there is of course DEEN’s signature QUALITY that made it so memeable once upon a time, but that was nothing out of the ordinary for the era. It was bad, but it wasn’t unspeakable; like some pretend it is now.
I think because now the sound novel is much more accessible than ever before, people are just getting pissy over 2000s DEEN because they can even though the piss has been taken out of its QUALITY since it first aired, so it's just beating a dead horse at this point (their adaptation of Umineko is forever fair game, though, never let them forget). Yes, it's not a perfect adaptation, but I think it does a solid enough job to get the audience interested in a digestable duration of time (50 24-minute episodes), in which they can then track down the sound novel or read the manga and get a wholly different experience. It's honestly unfair to call DEEN's adaptation complete shit when there's still really good things the anime has done, such as the stellar cinematography I've sperged on about before, iconic voice-directing, and the anime OST is so fucking good, which I think is why Passione relies so heavily on Kenji Kawai's music instead of just making their own from scratch (eventually someone stepped in to do that, but the music's not as memorable).

I was still a very easily impressed person when I first saw Higurashi, and it took a couple of years of just rewatching it again and again before I found out about the manga and started reading and buying it. It was actually pretty cool for me because there was "extra material" that wasn't in the anime, and things clicked better and better for me the more I went along, and even gave me new scares to go along with it because of how freaky the art can get. So I still adore the anime despite all that, probably because my brain fills in space for me that I hardly even notice the gaps in the script anymore, but I also really enjoy seeing newcomers' reactions to the anime since it's still really brutal at times, and the mystery is still good. Last year for my annual rewatch it was one of my younger brothers (him getting uncomfortable with Meakashi was to be expected, but lol everyone gets squeamish over it), and this year I'm gonna introduce it to my boyfriend who's a horror fanatic, which I think is gonna be fun.
 
So I hear Eua is now a playable character in Mei? IDK if that impacts anything
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From what some anon said, her little story involves Satoko (who somehow recognizes Eua) and churros, and at the end she talks to some unseen person about how she's just there as an observer on this particular board and what her role is in that regard. It's hard to say if this is somehow relevant to Sotsu or just to Mei and the nature of the fragments in that game.
Ryukishi can claim she's not Featherine all he wants, but come on. And of course he forgot his own characterization and we get this annoying flanderization.
While Eua certainly takes the "Featherine" role within Higurashi, I genuinely don't think we're supposed to see her as being exactly the same entity. If anything, she's probably intended to be more like the various Takanos or Okonogis, where they clearly resemble each other to some degree, but are ultimately distinct characters, further cemented by her having a different voice actor. It's dumb, but it's the expected Ryukishi autism at this point.
Can someone explain why DEEN’s adaptation is suddenly anathema? Yes, there is of course DEEN’s signature QUALITY that made it so memeable once upon a time, but that was nothing out of the ordinary for the era. It was bad, but it wasn’t unspeakable; like some pretend it is now.
It's hardly sudden. The anti-DEEN sentiment has been a thing for ages now. Higurashi is also kind of a weird beast amongst VNs since it's a very long story that switches genres several times while also wanting to be seen as a mystery to some degree. If critical clues aren't handled correctly, the end result just ends up bad.
Higurashi was popular and well-liked enough, and as a standalone show it was honestly fine, but as an adaptation it just didn't work.
The only really bad stuff was in some of the OVAs.
The OVAs are fine, honestly. They're dumb, but it's easy to separate them from the main work and they're all in line with the non-canon arcs Ryukishi himself wrote.
 
@Kari Kamiya I've been meaning to tell you this for a while, but Teppei and Rina were not recast for Gou/Sotsu.
 
@Kari Kamiya I've been meaning to tell you this for a while, but Teppei and Rina were not recast for Gou/Sotsu.
I figured Teppei still had the same actor, he just sounds real rough 'cause he's much older than he was back in 2006. Rina sounded too sugary compared to how I remembered her "nice girl" persona to be in the original, but I'm sure she, too, just sounds different with age. Her character still sucks in Sotsu, regardless.

Either way, I still feel like the voice-directing is a bit off-kilter with some characters, Satoko being the more noticable one for me. Mika Kanai is either not giving her all, or her voice has become too scratchy from all the "Eievui" squeaks she's had to do.

I wanna see this chart, but most importantly, I really want to know what the general Japanese consensus of Gou/Sotsu is since this might kill interest in an Umineko anime if the ratings actually suck.
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Chargecoulomb I think is talking about the MAL userbase when it comes to "60% were new viewers" btw. Sequels typically get less numbers in the userbase, that's just how it is.
 
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Chargecoulomb I think is talking about the MAL userbase when it comes to "60% were new viewers" btw. Sequels typically get less numbers in the userbase, that's just how it is.
Yeah I'm definitely going to want definitive proof that Higurashi has plummeted to pre-DEEN numbers during Sotsu. I could maybe buy that in Japan, where the VN was pretty hot before it was made into an anime, but no way would that be true for the overseas fanbase who hadn't heard of it before 2006.
 
"Eua laughs her way into Higurashi Mei"

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Honestly at this point I don't even care, all she every does is laugh because "Witches!" it's honestly really tiring from a character perspective.
>be NEETeriene
>supposedly Eldrtich horror tier character
>sits on couch eating chips all day
>laughs at the fictional bloodsports she creates as she drives a fictional town into madness.
>occasionally TP's her characters to her NEET dimension to gloat and laugh at them
>BUT SHE'S EUA!!
>Retarded fanbase eats it up like always
>Completely ignore the fact that Featherine was just fucking with Satoko.
>Never correct this bullshit in any future episodes.
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I like her re-design, but hell is she even more of an arrogant, but not outright evil bitch than she was in even Umineko, where she at least did SOMETHING beyond getting up off the couch a handful of times like when she did that "seat" trick with lambdadelta after instagibbing her, but they never showed what that "seat in her audience" looked like. I take it she was literally nailed to a cross compared to the binding magic she used on Hanyuu in the latest ""episode"" comprising of 90% of footage from Gou. Im done with these episodes tricking people into watching multiple recaps.
 
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