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Tried years ago, the scanlations are incomplete.
Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.
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Uh, doesn't that have explicit csam?
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Ehh kind of i guess? It has offscreen implied bunny prison rape but then again its a horror vn and not a eroge vn so it really depends how much of moralfag you are, but seeing as how you like Drakengard there should be no problem
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I don't remember any actual sexual description, it's just edgy "school teacher rapes student" shit. Though I think there is a more explicit manga.
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People on some other thread were talking about it a couple years ago and were saying it was explicit. I just took them at their word.
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I haven't finished the Higanbana VN but I did read the manga first until hitting the 'unfinished translation'/'mangaka died so its never finishing' fork in the road. The imagery was NSFW, but mostly in that Marie is drawn with an adult body despite being in grade school. I don't remember visible genitalia present but I do remember the teacher being drawn doing really creepy shit with her from the first few pages. The text novel does not describe it in detail, it's clear he is a chomo without drawn out text walls describing what he does to her.
Edit: oops quoted the wrong person. I meant to quote @Sulla
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So 400 pages into the manga of "Banquet of the Golden Witch." Usually I read a full thick boi volume but... fuck it.
This volume did a rare magic trick... for awhile, I was actually enjoying it. Battler was seeming less annoying, the book seems to be acknowledging that he's a fucktard, and the stuff with the hidden mansion and the woman who lived there was genuinely interesting.
Then it spends a short eternity turning into a particularly uncreative anime shonen fight sequence. These are boring even in manga meant to be shonen fight manga (one reason I don't even bother with that genre) and its an unwelcome distraction in something that keeps propping itself up as more intellectual. Even moreso because going with my previous theories (which Battler now backs up), this scene isn't literally happening but is just a red herring. Great, so the book just made me spend a million years reading about something that may not have happened and is probably irrelevant to anything.
.... At this point, it feels like each of these becomes me psychoanalyzing Ryukishi, because to be honest I've lost interest in Umineko's "mysteries" and started looking at the book more as a look into Ryukishi's mind, which is.. far more interesting than the retarded works of fiction he graces us with.
But one thought I recurringly had during this volume was remembering this episode of Retsupurae, where they were covering the Arise series of flash horror games, and Slowbeef posited the theory that each game was literally made because the author learned how to program a new thing and wanted to use it.
I... get a similar feeling with Umineko, but its combined with Ryukishi being the kind of guy who thinks that because an idea is new to him, it must be new to the reader as well. In one of those afterward things he literally says "by the end of this episode, you'll be able to solve simple sealed-room mysteries!" as if he thinks he's imparting knowledge... and then there's several chapters where the whole point is Battler learning some new logic or philosophy angle that he can use.
I'll give the book credit... I had actually not heard the term "Devil's Proof" before (though I can't recall if I've ever heard of the concept it describes).
However, most of the time the ideas or philosophy that are granted to Battler (apparently such high concepts that they have to literally be gifted by magical beings)... are, again, not even that complicated or special, and again should be familiar ideas to anyone who isn't a literal five-year-old. It again just increases the idea that Ryukishi himself just learned about these things for the first time and decided to put them in the story because he was so impressed.
Like, I said earlier Battler immediately suspects the anime shonen battle was a red herring.... that's not entirely true. He literally has to be told by another magical being to suspect that maybe what he was shown isn't actually what happened. Such a basic thought had not even occured to him.
And this is where I have to wonder a few things:
First off, to go meta real quick... how did Umineko become popular, especially in Japan? By the time it came out, Japan already had its own very public and highly praised mystery media. Detective Conan, Kindaichi Casefiles, Phoenix Wright, Danganronpa.... with that kind of culture, you would think most people would be having the reaction I do: "this mystery is retarded and the author sounds like a noob."
This taking off with Americans actually makes way more sense.
I mean, I know how it got published. It's pretty well known at this point that Ryukishi's shit started off as stuff he sold at conventions. Meaning it had to pass no editors or other usual taps. I mean, good on him for beating the system, but I think it also explains a lot of the recurring issues of the "there was nobody to tell this guy his shit stinks" variety.
But getting back in-story for a bit... what I also don't understand is Beatrice. Why does she care so much about her "game" with Battler? Why are they even still playing when... he gave up? That should be a no-take-backsies situation. The only explanation that makes sense--that like all Ryukishi's women, Beatrice secretly wants to have the author avatar's babies--is not particularly satisfying.
And beyond that, how is this "game" even interesting to her? For me it would've gotten tedious long ago.
In fact, the more I read, the more Beatrice and Battler feel like I'm reading an interminable autistic slapfight on some internet forum between two headstrong children suffering from a massive case of Last Word Syndrome. I fail to see that anything of value is being accomplished by their endless hashing and re-hashing of the details.
..... Finally, I will end with minor points.
For some reason it escaped me to mention this, but.... Chess metaphors. Of course Ryukishi uses Chess metaphors.
And on that note of trite cliches, of course it also has a scene of someone drawing tarot cards and they draw "death" to indicate they are literally gonna die (that's not what that tarot card means.... but why am I expecting tarot accuracy of the same person who thinks "Lucifer" and "Satan" are two different people?)
There was literally a scene where someone says "this weather is a perfect metaphor for our moods." Oh my god.
Battler makes a big deal about how Beatrice can't just say there were only eighteen people on the island because if she does, she's admitting she was not involved. This is presented as enough of a stop to prevent her from making that declaration via Red Truth... but then later she goes and does it anyway. By her own reasoning how is Battler not automatically the victor there? (Let me guess, her saying "human beings" instead of "people" will be some sort of bullshit loophole later).
I will probably take a break before resuming the read, as something came up IRL that will keep me away from dumb manga for a bit.
This volume did a rare magic trick... for awhile, I was actually enjoying it. Battler was seeming less annoying, the book seems to be acknowledging that he's a fucktard, and the stuff with the hidden mansion and the woman who lived there was genuinely interesting.
Then it spends a short eternity turning into a particularly uncreative anime shonen fight sequence. These are boring even in manga meant to be shonen fight manga (one reason I don't even bother with that genre) and its an unwelcome distraction in something that keeps propping itself up as more intellectual. Even moreso because going with my previous theories (which Battler now backs up), this scene isn't literally happening but is just a red herring. Great, so the book just made me spend a million years reading about something that may not have happened and is probably irrelevant to anything.
.... At this point, it feels like each of these becomes me psychoanalyzing Ryukishi, because to be honest I've lost interest in Umineko's "mysteries" and started looking at the book more as a look into Ryukishi's mind, which is.. far more interesting than the retarded works of fiction he graces us with.
But one thought I recurringly had during this volume was remembering this episode of Retsupurae, where they were covering the Arise series of flash horror games, and Slowbeef posited the theory that each game was literally made because the author learned how to program a new thing and wanted to use it.
I... get a similar feeling with Umineko, but its combined with Ryukishi being the kind of guy who thinks that because an idea is new to him, it must be new to the reader as well. In one of those afterward things he literally says "by the end of this episode, you'll be able to solve simple sealed-room mysteries!" as if he thinks he's imparting knowledge... and then there's several chapters where the whole point is Battler learning some new logic or philosophy angle that he can use.
I'll give the book credit... I had actually not heard the term "Devil's Proof" before (though I can't recall if I've ever heard of the concept it describes).
However, most of the time the ideas or philosophy that are granted to Battler (apparently such high concepts that they have to literally be gifted by magical beings)... are, again, not even that complicated or special, and again should be familiar ideas to anyone who isn't a literal five-year-old. It again just increases the idea that Ryukishi himself just learned about these things for the first time and decided to put them in the story because he was so impressed.
Like, I said earlier Battler immediately suspects the anime shonen battle was a red herring.... that's not entirely true. He literally has to be told by another magical being to suspect that maybe what he was shown isn't actually what happened. Such a basic thought had not even occured to him.
And this is where I have to wonder a few things:
First off, to go meta real quick... how did Umineko become popular, especially in Japan? By the time it came out, Japan already had its own very public and highly praised mystery media. Detective Conan, Kindaichi Casefiles, Phoenix Wright, Danganronpa.... with that kind of culture, you would think most people would be having the reaction I do: "this mystery is retarded and the author sounds like a noob."
This taking off with Americans actually makes way more sense.
I mean, I know how it got published. It's pretty well known at this point that Ryukishi's shit started off as stuff he sold at conventions. Meaning it had to pass no editors or other usual taps. I mean, good on him for beating the system, but I think it also explains a lot of the recurring issues of the "there was nobody to tell this guy his shit stinks" variety.
But getting back in-story for a bit... what I also don't understand is Beatrice. Why does she care so much about her "game" with Battler? Why are they even still playing when... he gave up? That should be a no-take-backsies situation. The only explanation that makes sense--that like all Ryukishi's women, Beatrice secretly wants to have the author avatar's babies--is not particularly satisfying.
And beyond that, how is this "game" even interesting to her? For me it would've gotten tedious long ago.
In fact, the more I read, the more Beatrice and Battler feel like I'm reading an interminable autistic slapfight on some internet forum between two headstrong children suffering from a massive case of Last Word Syndrome. I fail to see that anything of value is being accomplished by their endless hashing and re-hashing of the details.
..... Finally, I will end with minor points.
For some reason it escaped me to mention this, but.... Chess metaphors. Of course Ryukishi uses Chess metaphors.
And on that note of trite cliches, of course it also has a scene of someone drawing tarot cards and they draw "death" to indicate they are literally gonna die (that's not what that tarot card means.... but why am I expecting tarot accuracy of the same person who thinks "Lucifer" and "Satan" are two different people?)
There was literally a scene where someone says "this weather is a perfect metaphor for our moods." Oh my god.
Battler makes a big deal about how Beatrice can't just say there were only eighteen people on the island because if she does, she's admitting she was not involved. This is presented as enough of a stop to prevent her from making that declaration via Red Truth... but then later she goes and does it anyway. By her own reasoning how is Battler not automatically the victor there? (Let me guess, her saying "human beings" instead of "people" will be some sort of bullshit loophole later).
I will probably take a break before resuming the read, as something came up IRL that will keep me away from dumb manga for a bit.
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I just realized going back through the thread this got posted June 6 three years ago.Yesterday, a preview for Ciconia Phase 2 was released.
Lol. Lmao even.
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reminded me that this thread was still alive
nothing has changed other than the fact that i'm waiting for silent hill from him now too
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Wait, Ryukishi is doing a Silent Hill?reminded me that this thread was still alive
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Suno, the musical AI, has released a new capability that allows users to submit their own clips that the AI will try to extend for them (as long as its 60 seconds or shorter and it passes a copyright check)
And with all this talk of Umineko I decided to pay homage to my favorite part of the series, the thousand or so pages of the siblings squabbling over money.
ye Silent Hill f, its really japanesey looking. Oh and The Short Message was written by the guy that wrote some of the console arcs.
And with all this talk of Umineko I decided to pay homage to my favorite part of the series, the thousand or so pages of the siblings squabbling over money.
ye Silent Hill f, its really japanesey looking. Oh and The Short Message was written by the guy that wrote some of the console arcs.
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There's a review I read once that noted this, most strikingly that the mansion murder mystery that started the whole "anti-mystery" genre was published in 1987... exactly one year after Umineko's setting. In other words, Ryukishi knows damn well he's treading on old ground, he just refuses to admit it.
And also there's another work from the same guy that's suspiciously similar to Umineko (mysterious woman with a western name, family inheritance squabbles, a forgotten maid, incest, swapped babies)... and also there's an interview where Ryukishi says there's no Japanese mansion mystery novels. I don't know what's wrong with that man, but it's fucking bad.
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What gameplay aspects of Phoenix Wright do you find annoying?
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My fren, this should go without saying:
Loli lesbian witches.
She actually doesn't want to play the game.
Lamdadelta is making her do it as a means to keep Bernkastel occupied and thus "trapped" there so she can be with her.
Lamdadelta is making her do it as a means to keep Bernkastel occupied and thus "trapped" there so she can be with her.
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The simple answer is that the mystery game crowd is always starving for content so anything shiny and hyped enough is an immediate pick. Also unlike a lot of other genres, we love the mystery classics, and none of the more modern derivatives really caught on (especially as advancements in technology makes justifying a mystery far harder).
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You're not as smart as you think you are.
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People in this thread don't seem to be aware that umineko was actually co written by ryukishi and some guy named BT.
BT died sometime around when chapter 5 was being worked on, which is why there is a sudden shift in tone for 5→8.
This isn't speculation, Ryukishi literally said as much in some random interview a decade ago.
It's also sort of made meta in the story, in the 1999 timeline the events from chapter 1-4 are found as messages in a bottle. While 5-8 are counterfits written by an in universe author, and side characters obsessed with the murders speculate over whether or not they are legitimate.
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I just finished the third season of the Rose Guns Days manga and...
It was very meh.
I didn't hate it, mostly because halfway through the first volume I kinda already had the story pegged, and it did pretty much what I expected it to.
I honestly think the best part of the third season is it's main villain: Gabriel.
Can I say, he's honestly a breath of fresh air in an era where so many assholes try way to hard to create "sympathetic" villains, Gabriel is a true evil SOB.
It makes me a bit sad to think, somehow, someway, Ryukishi ended up fucking him up in the final season of this.
Speaking of which, the manga got canned after this, so unless I look up spoilers for the vn, I ain't finding out how this ends, and I'm ok with that.
Also to be very fair, I'm gonna blame the manga for this, there things that happen in the third season that just left me going; I don't care. And that comes down to the fact; the characters that died, we really don't spend enough time with them for their deaths to come off as meaningfull, at least to me.
I still say the second season is actually worth a read, as it's fairly self contained and pretty solid overall.
The rest, at least in regards to the manga, is pretty take it or leave it.
It was very meh.
I didn't hate it, mostly because halfway through the first volume I kinda already had the story pegged, and it did pretty much what I expected it to.
I honestly think the best part of the third season is it's main villain: Gabriel.
Can I say, he's honestly a breath of fresh air in an era where so many assholes try way to hard to create "sympathetic" villains, Gabriel is a true evil SOB.
It makes me a bit sad to think, somehow, someway, Ryukishi ended up fucking him up in the final season of this.
Speaking of which, the manga got canned after this, so unless I look up spoilers for the vn, I ain't finding out how this ends, and I'm ok with that.
Also to be very fair, I'm gonna blame the manga for this, there things that happen in the third season that just left me going; I don't care. And that comes down to the fact; the characters that died, we really don't spend enough time with them for their deaths to come off as meaningfull, at least to me.
I still say the second season is actually worth a read, as it's fairly self contained and pretty solid overall.
The rest, at least in regards to the manga, is pretty take it or leave it.
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Out of curiosity I flipped through the manga and it ends after the guy gets mind broken by Gabriel but before the finale climax that ties everything together. I remember finding it more impactful but maybe due to the VN giving you more time with the characters. To spoil what happens after that (at least from my memory) there is a big fight between the new and old Primavera, with the narrator getting to be the head. I don't remember any of the characters dying (besides on of the four orphans who dies as a sacrifical pawn by blue hair guy). In the end blue hair guy dies after killing Gabriel, after Battler let's him in with a gun due to thinking he killed his sister (which was actually the Chinese that killed her, manipulating him out of vengenance).
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Yeah, I can completely believe you about the vn.
I honestly feel that this was ultimately problem due to the break neck pacing the manga had.
It was trying way to hard to get to the"cool" stuff so as a result everything felt forced.
That's why I'm gonna give Ryukishi the benefit of the doubt and assume the vn is far better.
Also thanks for telling me how it ends, like I said, I wasn't going to bother looking it up.
It makes sense that Primavera spilt up after what happens.
Also I'm glad Gabriel got iced, like I said, that boy was true evil bastard.
Also I'm glad Gabriel got iced, like I said, that boy was true evil bastard.
Heeeyyyy do you know?oh, look, the ryukishi thread is being bumped! i sure hope we'll get a ciconia update!"
Ryukishi HAS written a new work fairly recently.
It's called Loopers.
You will never get Ciconia...
