Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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A large chunk of the first chapter of Hoshiwatashi (one of the two Rei(wa) manga) leaked, and it has made quite a few people upset.
None of the club members got together. Keiichi, Mion, Rena, and Satoko all had kids with randoms.
Keiichi went into politics, and has a child named Keitarou.
Rena left Hinamizawa, got divorced, and moved back, now living as a single mother with her son Kihiro, who acts like an autist.
Akane now leads the Sonozakis, and her name now has the "demon" character again, while Mion seems to be still just the next in line. Mion's daughter Tamaki is being trained as the eventual successor, as Mion was. Tamaki is pretty retarded, and immediately grabs Keitarou's balls after Sakiko convinces her that's a sure-fire way to make any man fall for her.
Satoko married into the Kimoyoshi family and now runs a business. Her daughter Sakiko is good at charming customers, but only shows her real side to her friends.
Very little is known about Rika, and she only shows up in the background with the other club members during a flashback panel.
Nothing is said about Shion and Satoshi, so they're unknowns, too.
The whole thing feels like it's just designed to piss as many people off as possible. No shipfags are happy about it, obviously, and it just feels weird as hell to have Satoko become a mother right after an anime series that was all about her and Rika's mutual obsession with each other. Even if they're trying to do a "normal" version as opposed to the witch one, it just seems like something that absolutely nobody asked for. The new group also lazily copy-pastes much of the original group's situations and characteristics, except they all seem to be dumber than the original cast.
I really don't see the Reiwa manga go over well.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
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A large chunk of the first chapter of Hoshiwatashi (one of the two Rei(wa) manga) leaked, and it has made quite a few people upset.
None of the club members got together. Keiichi, Mion, Rena, and Satoko all had kids with randoms.
Keiichi went into politics, and has a child named Keitarou.
Rena left Hinamizawa, got divorced, and moved back, now living as a single mother with her son Kihiro, who acts like an autist.
Akane now leads the Sonozakis, and her name now has the "demon" character again, while Mion seems to be still just the next in line. Mion's daughter Tamaki is being trained as the eventual successor, as Mion was. Tamaki is pretty retarded, and immediately grabs Keitarou's balls after Sakiko convinces her that's a sure-fire way to make any man fall for her.
Satoko married into the Kimoyoshi family and now runs a business. Her daughter Sakiko is good at charming customers, but only shows her real side to her friends.
Very little is known about Rika, and she only shows up in the background with the other club members during a flashback panel.
Nothing is said about Shion and Satoshi, so they're unknowns, too.
The whole thing feels like it's just designed to piss as many people off as possible. No shipfags are happy about it, obviously, and it just feels weird as hell to have Satoko become a mother right after an anime series that was all about her and Rika's mutual obsession with each other. Even if they're trying to do a "normal" version as opposed to the witch one, it just seems like something that absolutely nobody asked for. The new group also lazily copy-pastes much of the original group's situations and characteristics, except they all seem to be dumber than the original cast.
I really don't see the Reiwa manga go over well.
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I'm wholly convinced at this point everything after Rei is non-canon. I do still like Outbreak, though, particularly 'cause it implies that due to Bernkastel's interference in getting Miyo back to her parents, they don't die which means Miyo doesn't become an orphan and be adopted by Hifumi Takano. He still looks into Hinamizawa Syndrome, and whether his pitch goes well or not, the UN becomes interested in it and either mass produces it into a bioweapon, or out of fear/sadism quarantines Hinamizawa, which causes the village to go insane. It still fits into the idea of Higurashi, although DEEN never adapted the rest of Outbreak (which is probably for the best), so I just go by the 2013 OVA and leave it at that.

Just what the fuck is going on with Ryukishi?
 
Ryukishi would rather piss every single Higurashi fan off than ever continue working on Ciconia Phase 2.
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Not even a ship wars cretin and even I can see why people would seethe. There's something incredibly depressing about Rena being a divorced single mother.

I'm convinced he's writing all these nonsensical alternative scenarios as some kind of social experiment, THEN write a Featherine style rantsona and put it into Ciconia (if he hasn't already) to shit on the fans he pissed off. Or he just don't give a fuck

People waiting on Ciconia Part 2, beware of the monkey's paw.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
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A large chunk of the first chapter of Hoshiwatashi (one of the two Rei(wa) manga) leaked, and it has made quite a few people upset.
None of the club members got together. Keiichi, Mion, Rena, and Satoko all had kids with randoms.
Keiichi went into politics, and has a child named Keitarou.
Rena left Hinamizawa, got divorced, and moved back, now living as a single mother with her son Kihiro, who acts like an autist.
Akane now leads the Sonozakis, and her name now has the "demon" character again, while Mion seems to be still just the next in line. Mion's daughter Tamaki is being trained as the eventual successor, as Mion was. Tamaki is pretty retarded, and immediately grabs Keitarou's balls after Sakiko convinces her that's a sure-fire way to make any man fall for her.
Satoko married into the Kimoyoshi family and now runs a business. Her daughter Sakiko is good at charming customers, but only shows her real side to her friends.
Very little is known about Rika, and she only shows up in the background with the other club members during a flashback panel.
Nothing is said about Shion and Satoshi, so they're unknowns, too.
The whole thing feels like it's just designed to piss as many people off as possible. No shipfags are happy about it, obviously, and it just feels weird as hell to have Satoko become a mother right after an anime series that was all about her and Rika's mutual obsession with each other. Even if they're trying to do a "normal" version as opposed to the witch one, it just seems like something that absolutely nobody asked for. The new group also lazily copy-pastes much of the original group's situations and characteristics, except they all seem to be dumber than the original cast.
I really don't see the Reiwa manga go over well.
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R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
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A large chunk of the first chapter of Hoshiwatashi (one of the two Rei(wa) manga) leaked, and it has made quite a few people upset.
None of the club members got together. Keiichi, Mion, Rena, and Satoko all had kids with randoms.
Keiichi went into politics, and has a child named Keitarou.
Rena left Hinamizawa, got divorced, and moved back, now living as a single mother with her son Kihiro, who acts like an autist.
Akane now leads the Sonozakis, and her name now has the "demon" character again, while Mion seems to be still just the next in line. Mion's daughter Tamaki is being trained as the eventual successor, as Mion was. Tamaki is pretty retarded, and immediately grabs Keitarou's balls after Sakiko convinces her that's a sure-fire way to make any man fall for her.
Satoko married into the Kimoyoshi family and now runs a business. Her daughter Sakiko is good at charming customers, but only shows her real side to her friends.
Very little is known about Rika, and she only shows up in the background with the other club members during a flashback panel.
Nothing is said about Shion and Satoshi, so they're unknowns, too.
The whole thing feels like it's just designed to piss as many people off as possible. No shipfags are happy about it, obviously, and it just feels weird as hell to have Satoko become a mother right after an anime series that was all about her and Rika's mutual obsession with each other. Even if they're trying to do a "normal" version as opposed to the witch one, it just seems like something that absolutely nobody asked for. The new group also lazily copy-pastes much of the original group's situations and characteristics, except they all seem to be dumber than the original cast.
I really don't see the Reiwa manga go over well.
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By this plot summary, shit all seems so random fire cahsgrab bullshit sequel stuff, surprisingly moreso than the recent anime where it starts out as a remake but then goes "OOO CTUALLY IT'S A SEQUEL BUT EVERYTHING'S JUST THE SAME BUT SHITTIER OOOOO" . Keiichi becoming a politician, and rika going force awakens luke are really fucking confusing. The random bullshit factors is still there in both these things but at least the shitty sequel anime plotholes and the shitty boarding school suddenly being an aspiraton and trigger for the conflict aside they actually tried somewhat making it make sense (badly, but hey)

Unhindered Clown said:
Not even a ship wars cretin and even I can see why people would seethe. There's something incredibly depressing about Rena being a divorced single mother.

I'm convinced he's writing all these nonsensical alternative scenarios as some kind of social experiment, THEN write a Featherine style rantsona and put it into Ciconia (if he hasn't already) to shit on the fans he pissed off. Or he just don't give a fuck

People waiting on Ciconia Part 2, beware of the monkey's paw.
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Is he writing these? These things all got the vibe of "licensed out to people that want to do sequel stuff but not look at the original" vibes. The original material goes in depth into a lot of character's thought processes and how they function, in the first person. Even if you remove the series of misunderstandings or vendettas that lead to violence or horrific deeds, there's a big fucking chunk of character interaction and inner monologues that give you a very good idea of how characters would probably handle things.
Rena really doesn't seem like the type of person that'd end up a divorced single mom without some form of external manipulation or abuse being involved, especially with the whole situation with her mom fucking divorcing her dad over him not being a as successful as her, something which scarred rena to a big fucking degree.
 
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Yeah I can't see this being good at all, especially after the spectacular hackery that went on with Sotsugyou. The VN took ages to define the cast, hell DEEN took a good time too and they ripped entire parts of the story out. How are these kids going to stand as their own characters to us in such a short amount of time when the originals are still there and they're starting out as carbon copies of their parents? The deck's stacked against them.
Also
>Rena is a divorced single parent like her father
>Mion is grooming her kid just like her family groomed her
>K1 neglects his kid and has a well-paying career just like his father
Wow, reducing the main cast to making the exact same mistakes as their parents all over again, how depressing. At least Satoko is doing well it seems, she doesn't need to be ruined more after what Gou did to her. Still, who is this for? Is R07 having a midlife crisis or something? At this stage the only reason I can think of for the needless Higurashi sequels and the endless Phase 2 delays are because he broke his Ouija board and needs the money to buy a new one and steal more ideas from BT.
 
I know it's very common for kids to be the carbon copies of their parents in anime/manga, this is the first that I heard of that in Higurashi.
EDIT: I stupidly headcanoned that Mion would've tried to steer from the Sonozaki-Yakuza tradition from the trauma of at least 3 Arcs, but since it's the 1980's and Japan follows tradition and Mion was closer to her Oni-Baba...
 
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Idiot Asshole said:
Yeah I can't see this being good at all, especially after the spectacular hackery that went on with Sotsugyou. The VN took ages to define the cast, hell DEEN took a good time too and they ripped entire parts of the story out. How are these kids going to stand as their own characters to us in such a short amount of time when the originals are still there and they're starting out as carbon copies of their parents? The deck's stacked against them.
Also
>Rena is a divorced single parent like her father
>Mion is grooming her kid just like her family groomed her
>K1 neglects his kid and has a well-paying career just like his father
Wow, reducing the main cast to making the exact same mistakes as their parents all over again, how depressing. At least Satoko is doing well it seems, she doesn't need to be ruined more after what Gou did to her. Still, who is this for? Is R07 having a midlife crisis or something? At this stage the only reason I can think of for the needless Higurashi sequels and the endless Phase 2 delays are because he broke his Ouija board and needs the money to buy a new one and steal more ideas from BT.
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Maybe the reason Rika became "mysterious figure" type shit is because she's now like her mom who beat the shit out of her for not being as hyper as the other kids and learning how to do shit from neighbors instead of her.
 
The Lawgiver said:
Is he writing these?
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We really don't know. They said extremely little about these manga in general, or who is responsible for the actual writing.
Ryukishi just gets the typical "original work" credit, but with the Japanese, that could mean anything from "main writer", to "provided the basic story outlines", to "not actually involved at all, but only created the original story". Ryukishi got the same credit for the Gou anthology, for instance.
I assume he was probably responsible for the basic setting, especially since there's two manga handled by different artists, so everyone's shitty ending comes from him, but he probably just dumped a really rough outline at the artists and let them do as they see fit, just like how he handles all his other adaptations, so the actual quality of the story will heavily depend on their competence. Since the 07th manga are usually decent, I'm not too worried we'll see a trainwreck on the level of the anime adaptations, but I doubt that these stories will really add much of anything to the mythos.
 
Clannad did a good "character becoming his parent" story, but it had a lot of thought put into it. Here it seems like an excuse to have a different shade of the same plot.

Like Rena becoming a divorced mom can be a (depressingly real) interesting story about how she overcompensated due to her past and her husband got sick of it.

Regardless once a setting starts delving into parallel timelines everything not mainseries can be excused as non canon by the writers.
 
Vlad Transylvania Mai said:
Satako still can't tell the difference between broccoli and cauliflower.
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And there are autists who get into slapfights over Satoko's inability to tell the difference between broccoli and cauliflower. One side says she's actually colorblind, the other says it's because the Japanese words are similar and it's "cute" for kids to mix up the words--except this side isn't true at all. The words are entirely different, and Satoshi can't tell the difference himself at age 16.

It was never officially stated they have colorblindness, but I legit believe this especially if this (totally non-canon) manga shows an adult Satoko not knowing what she's looking at.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
There's a difference?!
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Besides through color, broccoli has a mild bitter taste while cauliflower is more sweet, but some people are genetically inclined to think broccoli tastes more bitter than it actually is.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
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A large chunk of the first chapter of Hoshiwatashi (one of the two Rei(wa) manga) leaked, and it has made quite a few people upset.
None of the club members got together. Keiichi, Mion, Rena, and Satoko all had kids with randoms.
Keiichi went into politics, and has a child named Keitarou.
Rena left Hinamizawa, got divorced, and moved back, now living as a single mother with her son Kihiro, who acts like an autist.
Akane now leads the Sonozakis, and her name now has the "demon" character again, while Mion seems to be still just the next in line. Mion's daughter Tamaki is being trained as the eventual successor, as Mion was. Tamaki is pretty retarded, and immediately grabs Keitarou's balls after Sakiko convinces her that's a sure-fire way to make any man fall for her.
Satoko married into the Kimoyoshi family and now runs a business. Her daughter Sakiko is good at charming customers, but only shows her real side to her friends.
Very little is known about Rika, and she only shows up in the background with the other club members during a flashback panel.
Nothing is said about Shion and Satoshi, so they're unknowns, too.
The whole thing feels like it's just designed to piss as many people off as possible. No shipfags are happy about it, obviously, and it just feels weird as hell to have Satoko become a mother right after an anime series that was all about her and Rika's mutual obsession with each other. Even if they're trying to do a "normal" version as opposed to the witch one, it just seems like something that absolutely nobody asked for. The new group also lazily copy-pastes much of the original group's situations and characteristics, except they all seem to be dumber than the original cast.
I really don't see the Reiwa manga go over well.
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Someone just pull the plug on Ryukishi already, the guy's clearly suffering from dementia.

Look how much the Higurashi series has evolved. After Sotsu/Gou, we get a jarring transition to a continuation no one asked for.

Can't wait to pull them in my favourite game ever, Higurashi Mei.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
And there are autists who get into slapfights over Satoko's inability to tell the difference between broccoli and cauliflower. One side says she's actually colorblind, the other says it's because the Japanese words are similar and it's "cute" for kids to mix up the words--except this side isn't true at all. The words are entirely different, and Satoshi can't tell the difference himself at age 16.

It was never officially stated they have colorblindness, but I legit believe this especially if this (totally non-canon) manga shows an adult Satoko not knowing what she's looking at.
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It seems that they would have deuteranomaly, a partial loss of green color vision and the most common form of colorblindness.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
It was never officially stated they have colorblindness, but I legit believe this especially if this (totally non-canon) manga shows an adult Satoko not knowing what she's looking at.
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Personally, I have to doubt it was ever intended to be simple colour blindness. If anything, it was probably intended to just be a quirky gimmick as part of Satoko's depiction as the most childish member of the cast, just like how, despite trying to speak in an overly fancy manner, she consistently mangles her grammar and has a limited vocabulary.
And if you're looking for an actual explanation within a story, you'd immediately hit on the whole trauma+Hinamizawa Syndrome part, where she explicitly cannot properly distinguish between her various stepfathers, and the tests she takes as part of her HS treatment involve a lot of image recognition tests, and Hanyuu also tells us that Satoko is consistently bad at things like spot the difference.
Plus, it's not just difficulty recognizing each when looking at them. When she's just asked which colour broccoli is supposed to be, she still cannot answer properly. No matter how colour blind someone may be, a normal person would still be able to remember that broccoli is the green one after learning that fact once, but Satoko only gets it right at the end of Minagoroshi, which is obviously supposed to be regarded as a milestone in her personal growth, rather than her suddenly gaining the ability to recognize the colour green.
And of course, you could easily spot the difference between the two just from the texture, since those are visibly different, too.
 
Chapter 0 of Oniokoshi has been translated, giving a few more details on Rika's involvement and the general setting.
It's not in continuity with Gou/Sotsu/Meguri, with Rika only remembering her original hundred years, and Satoko not showing any understanding about the truth of the curse of Oyashiro-sama (so I guess Satoshi never came back, either).
Mion and Keiichi got murdered by someone trying to bring the curse of Oyashiro-sama back, for unknown reasons.
Rika apparently spends most of her time travelling (with what money?), and is still doted on by the elderly (over a nearly fifty-year old woman who barely spends time in Hinamizawa?), and ended up falling down some stairs and ended up in the hospital.
After Satoko tells her about how Mion died and Keiichi disappeared, Rika uses one of three jewels Hanyuu left behind for her, each of which allows her to loop once. Since she is stuck in the hospital, she plans to have Keitarou stop whatever plot is going on.

Really, the new loop premise is just the most bizarre thing to me, as Saikoroshi was in large part about how awful looping is, and ends with Rika finding the conviction to accept her life as a normal person, no matter what would await her in the future. For her to just casually decide to loop again, leaving another world behind, and Hanyuu encouraging it, even though she considered turning Rika into a looper to be a huge sin on her part, is just bizarre. As clumsy as Gou/Sotsu was, at least it understood that looping fucks you up for life, and nobody should have to go through it.
Chapter 1 has also been released (not yet translated), but for some reason, it's almost identical to the first chapter of Hoshiwatashi, hitting the same story beats, including the part where Inori falls down the stairs, though Hoshiwatashi ends with the main group talking about how Keitarou should avoid her, and how they all seemingly blame her for whatever caused Hinamizawa to change in the past few years, which doesn't show up in Oniokoshi.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
Chapter 0 of Oniokoshi has been translated
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Already, this whole thing feels like a load of nonsense, or a bad fanfic.

Like fine, characters grew up and Ryukishi fucked everyone by literally fucking everyone with strangers and pissing off the fanbase even more. I'm willing to try and see past that even If I think it's extremely retarded.

  • Number one: Reusing the whole "It's a curse! It's happening again!" doesn't work.
    It's already known that there's no real curse and it was a product of a lunatic\serial murderer.
    At least before, in the very beginning, there was still a sense of mystery and dread, also the fact that their was little to no modern technology made the entire ordeal far more frightening, you couldn't just call for help.

  • Number two: Consistency errors
    If this is supposed to be a sequel to the official series, and GOU/SOTSU are also part of the official canon "fragment" (Despite how much I think It's complete garbage and even worse than the worst fanfics) then why is Satoko freaking out? She would know just as much as Rika about the whole curse ordeal.

    Also not calling Rika or telling her about "last years curse" and the fact that someone died all over again during the festival is peak retarded.
    You have modern technology this time around, people have phones, there's really no excuse to NOT have done that right away.

    Number three: Ass pulls \ MacGuffins
  • No really, it's only chapter 0 and there's already the magical MacGuffin of the Furude Treasure, which is not the sword but... a bracelet?
    A bracelet that conveniently lets you time travel, three times no less.
    A bracelet that despite all the novels\media\anime and anything in between, was never mentioned, even once before.

    Who want's to make bet's on how fast their gonna pull a Dr.Who and give the bracelet infinite time travel and probably as far back (Or close to as far back) as whoever is using it wishes, probably because the power of friendship and shit.

I can already smell the bullshit from a mile away and we barely just started.
And yes, I'll admit, I'm pretty pissed that they didn't have the balls to make any official canon couples, even if they had to piss off some people, at least other's could have been happy.

The fact that they made Rena a divorced single mom is a step too low, just seriously, fuck you Ryukishi.

I'll also admit that because of that, I went into this manga with a bias that it was going to be shit, but was willing to give it a try like anything else.
but lo and behold, the amount of bullshit that's present in chapter 0 alone isn't helping.
 
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