Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

[Bruh Really]

Meanwhile on plebbit:

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"OMG SO EPIC! THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP FIGHTS WITH NARUTO AND DBZ SUPER!!!11! I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO FLOW INTO UMINEKO!! THIS IS A PERFECTLY NATURAL EVOLUTION OF SATOKK'S CHARACTER BECAUSE SHE WAS ABUSED AND HAD ATTACHMENT AND ABANDONMENT ISSUES THAT THE ORIGINAL DIDN'T RESOLVE!!#"

The worst part is this is unironically true.

There's some real fucking mentally retarded apes out there who think going from murder/mystery to magical girl bullshit is actually a good thing, their excuse being "bUt uMiNek0 diD it!"
the ultimate irony is that Ryukishi himself has stated multiple times that knowledge of his other works, specifically Umineko wasn't needed to understand GOU\SOTSU.

Behold the average higufag redditor

Not even going to bother dissecting how retarded all of this is, sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I'm also equally entitled to call this for what it is, pure autism.
Like this faggot actually believes that "magical girl battles = Popularity" I guess the regular mystery genre was never popular since it didn't have DBZ battles in them /sneed

Seriously, I don't even have expectations by this point, but part of me still hopes that Higurashi JUN (The new manga) will actually be decent and not go full retard like SOTSU.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

Isn't that just a shitpost? The guy even has "leddit" in his username.

 

[Bruh Really]

Isn't that just a shitpost? The guy even has "leddit" in his username.

I fucking hope it is, but these days it's hard to tell when someone is unironically retarded or just shitposting, especially when it comes to fandoms.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

I fucking hope it is, but these days it's hard to tell when someone is unironically retarded or just shitposting, especially when it comes to fandoms.

I'm sure there's plenty of people swallowing up Sotsu unquestioningly, but come on, this couldn't be more obviously bait.
You really should've been tipped off around the part where it paints studying as the worst hell imaginable, and Rika as history's greatest monster by making Satoko study.
Like, there's more than enough room to argue that the show's intent is to paint Satoko and Rika as two sides of the same coin (though it's obviously not doing so in a very convincing manner), especially with how Rika's response to finally finding out the truth is to conclude that she should have made Satoko study even harder and later talks about how she'd rather destroy the universe than not be with Satoko, but claiming that Satoko did nothing wrong and Rika is the Great Satan is a sentiment that's obviously impossible to take seriously.
Though given the way Ryukishi approaches his characters, I really wouldn't put it past him to write a story about Rika being the one to contract with Eua going through endless loops trying to convince Satoko to join teatime until she ends up trying to mindbreak Satoko through endless torture, and Sotsugyou just happened because Satoko reached Eua first. It seems like the kind of thing he feels would be in-character.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Seriously, I don't even have expectations by this point, but part of me still hopes that Higurashi JUN (The new manga) will actually be decent and not go full retard like SOTSU.

Jun confuses me, here. It's supposed to be the direct sequel/answer arcs of Gou, but wait, isn't Sotsu supposed to do that? Why change the title?

Theories abound on if Passione fucked up so hard Ryukishi is damage-controlling, Tomato is trying to distance himself from what would be/is Sotsu for the manga (which Ryukishi would still have to approve of, so it would still be him damage-controlling), or if Passione's Sotsu is completely studio-original and was never meant to be the actual sequel.

Others are saying Gou/Sotsu should be viewed or always should've been intended as a "what if" scenario for the characters, but I dunno, it all sounds like cope to me. Whatever the case, things got fucked up somewhere down the line to where the manga adaptation has to disassociate itself with the anime, and from what has been released of the manga, there's a possibility Passione may have fucked up. Ryukishi I think is still a hack at the end of the day, but if he couldn't get the studio to give two shits about it and just prefers working one-on-one with Tomato, maybe he should've weighed his options better. Maybe in another fragment, he went back to DEEN and Chiaki Kon, but if it was going to still be as much of a screw up with them like with Passione...

 

[Bruh Really]

Jun confuses me, here. It's supposed to be the direct sequel/answer arcs of Gou, but wait, isn't Sotsu supposed to do that? Why change the title?

From what I've heard they changed writers from Ryukishi to someone else (I need to double check the name)

And yeah, I've got no idea and what the hell they're doing, apparently JUN is going to be it's own split-timeline\fragment that's going to resemble SOTSU on a surface level, hence the title change. (Think Watanagashi-hen & Meakashi-hen, very similar but ultimately different)

As to why the change, honestly no one knows as of yet, my best guess is they felt like the manga deviated too much from the anime (?) so they're going to make it it's own fragment or whatever.

I just hope it doesn't go the magical girl route and is still somewhat grounded like every other Higurashi chapter, there's a huge difference between having a supernatural element in your literature\manga\novels that play's somewhat of a background role and was designed that way from the beginning to.... straight up DBZ flying

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I just hope it doesn't go the magical girl route

I meant, we had Ayakashisenshi-hen from Kira, so honestly it won't be that weird and off-putting, it was just the execution that happened in Sotsu that made people go "Wtffffffffffff". I think implementing some magical girl elements could work out if it focuses more on the supernatural aspect of the series, especially if it's in some other parallel world or whatnot where that can be a thing, but suddenly dumping the narrative into that genre without that proper build-up would be real jarring.

If Ryukishi was really going for the origins of the witches all along, that's where I think the magical girl elements would come into play, but jumping through fragments as you an hero yourself doesn't automatically make someone a magical girl. I dunno, missed opportunity if you ask me.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

From what I've heard they changed writers from Ryukishi to someone else (I need to double check the name)

From what I can see, it's just that Tomato is granted a "story composition" credit alongside the existing art credit, while Ryukishi still has the "original work" credit, so I imagine that Ryukishi still provides the basic story outline, but Tomato is given more freedom to play around with it now.

As to why they went with a different name and different answers, I think the answer is just that they found it to be a more interesting approach. I don't think that the general response to Gou/Sotsu is actually all that bad, as much as we like to shit on it, and it probably brought 07th Expansion the desired attention and money, if only because japs have notoriously shit taste, so I doubt they're all that worried about Passione's work damaging the brand.
Plus, it might just be for marketing reasons. Giving the manga its own name makes it clear that it'll go in its own direction, which helps the manga stand out more and draw more attention instead of it rethreading material the anime already covered, so that's good to keep the brand alive after the anime finishes. They went in pretty hard on the brand in 2020 beyond just the new anime, so it's not weird that they would want to keep up momentum as long as they can, especially since Higurashi remains their most successful work.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I find it funny how Keiichi, Mi/Shion, and Rena are still included in the opening as if they haven't been reduced to literal fucking setpieces.

 

[Trombonista]

Diehard Sotsu fans seem to be super defensive and sensitive. It's like they feel personally attacked by the criticism of the show.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Diehard Sotsu fans seem to be super defensive and sensitive. It's like they feel personally attacked by the criticism of the show.

almost like deep down they know it's fucking hot garbage and are stuck in the "anger" phase of the grieving process over the fact that Gou/Sotsu could have been a decent remake but is a pile of shit.

 

[Trombonista]

almost like deep down they know it's fucking hot garbage and are stuck in the "anger" phase of the grieving process over the fact that Gou/Sotsu could have been a decent remake but is a pile of shit.

That, or they don't want to admit that they actually have really low standards.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Diehard Sotsu fans seem to be super defensive and sensitive. It's like they feel personally attacked by the criticism of the show.

If they would just come out and say they're only watching it for lesbians, I'd respect their honesty while still proclaiming their tastes are trash.

 

[Bruh Really]

If they would just come out and say they're only watching it for lesbians

"but there kids!"
"they're like 12!!?"
"that's pedofilia!"
"acktmualy Rika is a 5000 year old dragon loli witch!"

Is what everyone would be saying if it was a heterosexual couple.

But I guess since there lesbians apparently it's all cool, no double standards here sir. (Which is not really confirmed, apparently you can't be best friends with people of the same sex without crossing the line these days or getting shipped, especially if you have to live with said person)

Mentally ill gonna mentally ill.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I don't get the parody, but this was mesmerizing. Goddamn, Flo.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

You know, considering Ciconia is all about children doing DBZ shit in some lightweight hi-tech power armor, there might be some foreshadowing that the suits are actually witch magic all along.

Or it's just shitty lazy writing....

 

[The Lawgiver]

I find it funny how Keiichi, Mi/Shion, and Rena are still included in the opening as if they haven't been reduced to literal fucking setpieces.

I haven't seen this thing but god damn it's fucking incredible how the main fucking protagonist is a setpiece in this "sequel" that from what I've heard from people and seen of it is just a much less subtle retread of same plot till it changes with the twist "OOO SATOKO WAS EVIL OOOO ALSO THIS ALREADY ALL HAPPENED OOOO TEPPEI DID NOTHING WRONG"

 

[lucio fulci]

I think what gets me the most annoyed about Sotsu/Gou, are the drooling rabid shippers that are willing to ignore every plot hole as long as they get canon yuri out of it. They really will lap up the most low effort writing as long as they get confirmation their ship is canon.

Umineko rules should not ever be applied to Higurashi. So they’re able to jump all over the the place, through every kakera, because that’s just how powerful they are now? How? If Rika could just loop herself into the future and back through the past, why didn’t she do it before? Because she wasn’t mindbroken enough to yet? That’s so stupid I have to laugh.

The references and namedropping to Ciconia that Eua does isn’t clever writing. It’s just a lazy attempt to show that all the worlds are connected, it’s stupid as hell.

I can’t describe how annoyed it makes me when they decided to have Satoko and Rika do their magical girl fight over iconic scenes in the series that featured characters they decided to push to the side because they don’t matter. They knew the plot of Sotsu wouldn’t work if Keiichi and the rest were there to pay attention so they’re written as stupid and careless and then pushed to the background as if they never mattered.

I forgot who mentioned it in the last pages about BT, but I agree. BT was basically Ryukishi’s tard wrangler and I’m inclined to say that it’s probably BT that was the better writer of the two.

Even with the manga going in a different route and rebranding the answer arcs, it’s not going to save it, really. So far Tomato has made the story more competent, but that’s not saying much with it still being Gou’s story.

Matsuri (and to an extent, Saikoroshi) was FINE as an ending. We didn’t need this.

 

[R.E.O. Spedwagon]

I haven't seen this thing but god damn it's fucking incredible how the main fucking protagonist is a setpiece in this "sequel"

Rika is still at the centre of the plot, though. She's been a main character ever since Hinamizawa Bus Stop and retains that position even now.
Keiichi being the main point of view character for the question arcs was mainly because the story required an outsider to be caught up in the village's weirdness, as well as Ryukishi wanting to subvert the typical harem VN style where the player chooses a girl for the MC to hook up with.
By Himatsubushi, the role of the actual main character shifted towards Rika, even if it took until Minagoroshi for her (and Hanyuu) to take the position completely. Keiichi was lucky that Ryukishi decided to allow Keiichi to have a key role towards resolving the individual stories of Tsumihoroboshi and Minagoroshi, but his role in the larger story is just to motivate Rika and Hanyuu into finally acting instead of just waiting for a better dice roll, and once that is accomplished, his role was pretty much over, leading to him being barely relevant in Matsuribayashi and Saikoroshi.

The only issue I have with him is that turning him into the decoy lead again with Gou served absolutely no purpose. We already know the story is actually about Rika, there's no value in pretending otherwise. But that's really just the biggest issue with Gou/Sotsu as a whole. It endlessly retreaded old content that serves absolutely no real purpose in the end, when the main plot comes to the forefront. Everything else has just been a complete waste of fucking time.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Rika is still at the centre of the plot, though. She's been a main character ever since Hinamizawa Bus Stop and retains that position even now.
Keiichi being the main point of view character for the question arcs was mainly because the story required an outsider to be caught up in the village's weirdness, as well as Ryukishi wanting to subvert the typical harem VN style where the player chooses a girl for the MC to hook up with.
By Himatsubushi, the role of the actual main character shifted towards Rika, even if it took until Minagoroshi for her (and Hanyuu) to take the position completely. Keiichi was lucky that Ryukishi decided to allow Keiichi to have a key role towards resolving the individual stories of Tsumihoroboshi and Minagoroshi, but his role in the larger story is just to motivate Rika and Hanyuu into finally acting instead of just waiting for a better dice roll, and once that is accomplished, his role was pretty much over, leading to him being barely relevant in Matsuribayashi and Saikoroshi.

The only issue I have with him is that turning him into the decoy lead again with Gou served absolutely no purpose. We already know the story is actually about Rika, there's no value in pretending otherwise. But that's really just the biggest issue with Gou/Sotsu as a whole. It endlessly retreaded old content that serves absolutely no real purpose in the end, when the main plot comes to the forefront. Everything else has just been a complete waste of fucking time.

Og higurashi he's less a "decoy" and it was more a case of like "something mores going on here" and then you get some answers to what exactly the fuck was going down when the thing goes and starts swapping to other character's perspectives . It goes from a single protagonist to a main cast kinda situation. This is like if you took that and then proceeded to just instead of doing that went "ACTUALLY THERE ARE ONLY 2 PROTAGONISTS AND ONE BEATS THE FUCKOUT OF AND MURDERS THE OTHER ALSO THIS IS A SEQUEL"