RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Any sign of the next volume being released this year? Normally I’d be doing something productive but 2020 has been so ravaged I kind of want to sit around and laugh at a mediocre show with the thread. Plus you guys come up with the funniest burns.
Well, the writers are currently writing Volume 9 and the VA's all seem to be wrapping up and in animation Voice Acting is usually one of the last things to be done; so I think there's a good chance?
 
Ive just realized that RWBY is unintentionally based and redpilled

Salem is Soros, Cinder is Hillary, and Adam and the white fang are black lives matter.
 
Ive just realized that RWBY is unintentionally based and redpilled

Salem is Soros, Cinder is Hillary, and Adam and the white fang are black lives matter.
Until it bluepilled again after V2. Suddenly BLM is full of creepy exes, Hilary is an even more unstable woman who has no regard for starting fights when serial killers are on the same plane as her, and Soros is a thot.
 
Is this what happens when you focus on “military commits atrocities and justifies them as being ‘for the country’ cliche”? https://twitter.com/voicingdragoon7/status/1278628136557654018?s=21. https://twitter.com/voicingdragoon7/status/1278634663184080897?s=21.
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Imagine my disappointment when Cross Tag Battle wasn't included in EVO this year.
RWBY could have joined in on the scandal! What a wasted virtue signalling opportunity!
 
Going back to an already moot topic, but what is the deal with how powerful certain characters are with their semblance, yet become so underwhelming, forgotten or outright glossed over later on at climax? The power scaling is so off that they seem to care more about wasting the budget solely on the fights they want to make look good with the main cast in order to show how awesome and cool they are.

Compare it to a generic shonen anime that at least gives a modicum of effort to portray powerful characters as actually being powerful. Christ alive, even Bleach ran the gamut of showing one of the weakest shinigami putting up a decent fight.

Marrow was basically their answer to Dio, but, "Like, he didn't want to fight them. He was trying to de escalate the situation and didn't see the bigger picture." - word for word how fans keep defending that "fight".
 
Going back to an already moot topic, but what is the deal with how powerful certain characters are with their semblance, yet become so underwhelming, forgotten or outright glossed over later on at climax? The power scaling is so off that they seem to care more about wasting the budget solely on the fights they want to make look good with the main cast in order to show how awesome and cool they are.

Compare it to a generic shonen anime that at least gives a modicum of effort to portray powerful characters as actually being powerful. Christ alive, even Bleach ran the gamut of showing one of the weakest shinigami putting up a decent fight.

Marrow was basically their answer to Dio, but, "Like, he didn't want to fight them. He was trying to de escalate the situation and didn't see the bigger picture." - word for word how fans keep defending that "fight".
Because its poorly thought out and Miles + Kerry don't have a creative bone in their body. This is kind of an unfair comparison, but just look at what Araki can do with Jojo. Araki can turn what should be your bog standard shonen jobbers into some of the hypest fights imaginable because he goes out of his way to think through how even the blandest stand can be used competently and how each individual character would uniquely think to use it.

Miles and Kerry can't even make, what should be on paper, an amazing fighting ability useful in the slightest because they don't think past the surface level use of such abilities. It doesn't help that they have turned their main characters into unbearable mary sues who can't ever be really challenged. Meaning the main characters can never actually develop their own abilities in a believable manner.
 
Going back to an already moot topic, but what is the deal with how powerful certain characters are with their semblance, yet become so underwhelming, forgotten or outright glossed over later on at climax? The power scaling is so off that they seem to care more about wasting the budget solely on the fights they want to make look good with the main cast in order to show how awesome and cool they are.

Compare it to a generic shonen anime that at least gives a modicum of effort to portray powerful characters as actually being powerful. Christ alive, even Bleach ran the gamut of showing one of the weakest shinigami putting up a decent fight.

Marrow was basically their answer to Dio, but, "Like, he didn't want to fight them. He was trying to de escalate the situation and didn't see the bigger picture." - word for word how fans keep defending that "fight".
Because its poorly thought out and Miles + Kerry don't have a creative bone in their body. This is kind of an unfair comparison, but just look at what Araki can do with Jojo. Araki can turn what should be your bog standard shonen jobbers into some of the hypest fights imaginable because he goes out of his way to think through how even the blandest stand can be used competently and how each individual character would uniquely think to use it.

Miles and Kerry can't even make, what should be on paper, an amazing fighting ability useful in the slightest because they don't think past the surface level use of such abilities. It doesn't help that they have turned their main characters into unbearable mary sues who can't ever be really challenged. Meaning the main characters can never actually develop their own abilities in a believable manner.
I mean, for all Miles and Kerry fail to make the fights make sense or display a proper scale or show physical superiority for one side, I’d say Monty has some blame as well. I mean, he’s the one who started some of the fight problems, like having the fights be mostly just showing off flashy bullshit and not really utilizing strategy and having semblances be some special attack that cost SP if you wanna think about it like an RPG. RWBY’s always been pretty style over substance.
 
I mean, for all Miles and Kerry fail to make the fights make sense or display a proper scale or show physical superiority for one side, I’d say Monty has some blame as well. I mean, he’s the one who started some of the fight problems, like having the fights be mostly just showing off flashy bullshit and not really utilizing strategy and having semblances be some special attack that cost SP if you wanna think about it like an RPG. RWBY’s always been pretty style over substance.
YeaH, woOhoO! cOoL fiGhtInG MoVEs!

Whoosh! Bam! Flip! Pow!

They're amazing to look at the first few times, but after a while, without any substance to the plot, they're just fancy moves with; like you said, no actual strategy when you break them down. It's a passing fancy at best.

Anime fights can be notorious for this, too, but it isn't so egregious that Luffy ending fights with a hook to the face is by far much more satisfying because the main meat of a fight is to take your opponent down. Not to breakdance until one of you is crowned king of freestyle.
 
The issue isn't just the lack of thought, a lot of terrible and yet popular fighting shounen manga is follows the kind of pacing that can be described as brief action scene, glorified speeches into new powerups and that's it. Some didn't even have that because the fight choreography was particularly terrible (say, Get Backers).

The problem is there's no internal logic to RWBY to even do that. Things just happen. Think about Yang for a second. If you get hit you lose Aura, but your Semblance is a projection of your Aura, which you lose when you're hit. So shouldn't Yang get weaker the more she's hit? One of your main characters on a fundamental level breaks the established rules of your show for no real reason other than Monty trying to make an analogy to fighting games and the rules themselves are never enforced, anything can happen. It's a free for all.
So if your fights are going to be all-brawling, all-styling the reality is that if you can't keep the interest of your audience going strong then there's nothing left. If you're not gonna do thought-out fights like say HxH or JoJo then your fights should be an spectacle and pack an emotional punch. RWBY only does one of those and the other more often than not fails or doesn't exist at all. It's a mess.
 
YeaH, woOhoO! cOoL fiGhtInG MoVEs!

Whoosh! Bam! Flip! Pow!

They're amazing to look at the first few times, but after a while, without any substance to the plot, they're just fancy moves with; like you said, no actual strategy when you break them down. It's a passing fancy at best.

Anime fights can be notorious for this, too, but it isn't so egregious that Luffy ending fights with a hook to the face is by far much more satisfying because the main meat of a fight is to take your opponent down. Not to breakdance until one of you is crowned king of freestyle.
For all the talk of RWBY being action and rule of cool, they play really fast and loose with the rules that fuel those scenes. There’s no rhyme, reason, or method to the madness. No counters, no strategy, no edge in training or physical prowess. Nowhere near enough work went into developing this show.

The problem is there's no internal logic to RWBY to even do that. Things just happen. Think about Yang for a second. If you get hit you lose Aura, but your Semblance is a projection of your Aura, which you lose when you're hit. So shouldn't Yang get weaker the more she's hit? One of your main characters on a fundamental level breaks the established rules of your show for no real reason other than Monty trying to make an analogy to fighting games and the rules themselves are never enforced, anything can happen. It's a free for all.
So if your fights are going to be all-brawling, all-styling the reality is that if you can't keep the interest of your audience going strong then there's nothing left. If you're not gonna do thought-out fights like say HxH or JoJo then your fights should be an spectacle and pack an emotional punch. RWBY only does one of those and the other more often than not fails or doesn't exist at all. It's a mess.
I’ll say this, I’m convinced Aura is something Monty only made it so he could hand wave fatal blows. Having said that, I’d say that Yang is probably the equivalent of building a meter to get your super move/upgraded mode ready to use, which is what I’m assuming is the “fighting game” aspect, but I’d say it’s more RPG since the action (especially with the group fights) feeling very turn based or something that feels like it’s either in a cutscene or the action that triggers it. It just doesn’t feel natural.
 
For all the talk of RWBY being action and rule of cool, they play really fast and loose with the rules that fuel those scenes. There’s no rhyme, reason, or method to the madness. No counters, no strategy, no edge in training or physical prowess. Nowhere near enough work went into developing this show.


I’ll say this, I’m convinced Aura is something Monty only made it so he could hand wave fatal blows. Having said that, I’d say that Yang is probably the equivalent of building a meter to get your super move/upgraded mode ready to use, which is what I’m assuming is the “fighting game” aspect, but I’d say it’s more RPG since the action (especially with the group fights) feeling very turn based or something that feels like it’s either in a cutscene or the action that triggers it. It just doesn’t feel natural.
Hunter X Hunter is what I normally compare it to, and so far, the series has RWBY beat in virtually every aspect. The characters are multidimensional, there are actual stakes, the power system is so simplistically brilliant that it doesn't crumble under scrutiny, and the lengths they go to get stronger are actually shown and felt through the viewing. If I didn't know any better, most of RWBY is just lip service intermixed with lots of padding.
 
Hunter X Hunter is what I normally compare it to, and so far, the series has RWBY beat in virtually every aspect. The characters are multidimensional, there are actual stakes, the power system is so simplistically brilliant that it doesn't crumble under scrutiny, and the lengths they go to get stronger are actually shown and felt through the viewing. If I didn't know any better, most of RWBY is just lip service intermixed with lots of padding.
I don't think its particularly fair to compare anything to the best of its genre, but even if you compare RWBY to the most low-effort shitty battle anime it looks bad by comparison. At least those will actually portray the villains as one-dimensional evil mother fuckers instead of do nothings that perpetually fuck up every plan.
 
I don't think its particularly fair to compare anything to the best of its genre, but even if you compare RWBY to the most low-effort shitty battle anime it looks bad by comparison. At least those will actually portray the villains as one-dimensional evil mother fuckers instead of do nothings that perpetually fuck up every plan.
I’d say another thing of RWBY is it’s just a mishmash of things. You got things Monty liked and knew (Ruby’s weapon is because Monty just liked sytches, Weiss’s style was because Monty studies fencing, and Adam was based on the quick sword draw fighting style), along with Ruby‘s motivation being your typical Weekly Shonen Jump “I wanna be (insert thing here)!” and Yang looking for her mother is a very bargain bin derivative of Kill la Kill where Ryuko was looking for her father’s killer.

Then you got Beacon which is just your “anime school” except that’s more a place for the characters to sleep more than anything because all we get is a few classes,a bully arc, a food fight, and a dance before it’s destroyed (and then there’s the fact that Beacon seems to not know if it wants to be a high school or a college).

Then, you got things going on “in the shadows” for the mains to investigate or stumble on like a common criminal like Roman Torchwick working with Faunus Extremists in the White Fang and Cinder persuading or intimidating people to work under her while her henchmen kill White Fang deserters in cold blood and help her to infiltrate a school and orchestrate a terrorist attack.

AND THEN, you got Cinder working for this immortal in Salem, who’s opposed to the old mentor in Ozpin, in both a role of henchman and Darth Vader/Palpatine right hand. And the path to find leads and next moves leads to this world spanning adventure for the mains.

FINALLY, you have things like magic, Silver Eyes, and Maidens that accompany if not add to the action aspects like Semblances and Aura.

Put that all together and you get what I like to describe as “shonen anime, JRPGs, and Final Fantasy supplemental material put in a blender”. From the motivations of Weiss and Blake alone, in hindsight RWBY was always trying to be more than “Monty’s excuse to show his fight choreography” or “a small webshow of cute anime girls fighting monsters”. Did nobody in the brain trust find it important to actually develop things further than what they settled on? While Monty dying wasn’t in the cards, did everyone really think Monty would always hit gold when he’d just go off on his own and animate and mo cap things without Miles and Kerry’s knowledge? Did nobody try to get Monty to develop things beyond bullet points and chicken scratch before punting things to Miles and Kerry before going to animating because what he gave was rejected because “your show can’t just be fight scenes.”?

It’s starting to become clear that Monty, Miles, and Kerry (all three of whom could be argued to be warranting of a “Created By” credit) underestimated the work a show like RWBY needed because as time goes on, things seem to come across as very first draft, course correcting, or “Oh shit! We need to do something because we forgot something”. Because it seems like Miles and Kerry either A. Are trying to interpret the roadmap Monty left but things are so vague and underdeveloped that things could mean anything, or B. Miles and Kerry saw what Monty left and went rogue and are continuing to do so. (Personally, I lean towards the former).
 
Oh boy, I can't wait till the volume finale where ALL the employees quit and Rooster Teeth has to be shutdown due to "unforeseen circumstances." I think the epilogue will show that nearly everyone just moved on and left it all to die, leaving the fandom to pick up pieces and do something akin to reviving a dead horse, then it dies a day later.
 
While it is a much more minor note in the company collapsing in on itself, but this is why you don't use your regular employees as internal VA's. We already saw what happened with Glenda when her VA went nuclear. This is going to keep happening as more and more people leave the company and don't see a reason to continue being a VA or only did it because the company asked them to. I understand this chick only did shit for Season 5 in a minor role, but look at who Bernie and Joel Voice acted as. We are likely never to see their characters again due to them leaving the company.
 
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