RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Fougaro said:
It's all fine and well, but with all the effort he put in and the fact that he already passed the autism event horizon, he might as well have gone one step further and made his own thing.
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This is why I don't like a lot of RWBY rewrites. For all the hand-wringing they make about "Monty's vision" and whatnot, they have no problem ignoring it themselves for their own stories.

If you're gonna put so much effort into a rewrite, just change the names, make it original and try to make it a book deal.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
This is why I don't like a lot of RWBY rewrites. For all the hand-wringing they make about "Monty's vision" and whatnot, they have no problem ignoring it themselves for their own stories.

If you're gonna put so much effort into a rewrite, just change the names, make it original and try to make it a book deal.
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I think it's a fool's errand trying to capture "Monty's vision" since what we have is either incomplete or not that good to begin with. As admitted many pages ago, I too was guilty of having a massive project ongoing of rewriting RWBY on par, if not bigger, with RWBY: Alternate. I'd basically exploit the characters and setting to their fullest potential while adding some really cool stuff. But when I was expanding the world building and lore, and especially when I dropped the school setting since I'm not a fan of your standard chuuni/shounenshit, I pretty much crossed the event horizon and am working on my own thing now. An extremely liberating decision.

That's the true genius of RWBY. Its unfulfilled potential and mediocrity inspires potential future authors and artists to profit from their autism.
 
Fougaro said:
I think it's a fool's errand trying to capture "Monty's vision" since what we have is either incomplete or not that good to begin with. As admitted many pages ago, I too was guilty of having a massive project ongoing of rewriting RWBY on par, if not bigger, with RWBY: Alternate. I'd basically exploit the characters and setting to their fullest potential while adding some really cool stuff. But when I was expanding the world building and lore, and especially when I dropped the school setting since I'm not a fan of your standard chuuni/shounenshit, I pretty much crossed the event horizon and am working on my own thing now. An extremely liberating decision.

That's the true genius of RWBY. Its unfulfilled potential and mediocrity inspires potential future authors and artists to profit from their autism.
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I think for anyone who does their own RWBY thing it would be impossible to capture Monty's vision. No one could possibly fulfill that but Monty. There's something Shane said in his letter that I quite liked about how the fans carry the torch of RWBY. I think it's fine for people to try to fulfill the potential of RWBY because there's quite a lot you can do with it. Monty died with only two seasons of RWBY done that was very much only the start of something, then Miles took it from then on and RWBY became his own vision. I think a lot of people recognize the potential the show had and want to see something great come of it, especially since it very quickly went downhill. Some people want to at least imagine a version of RWBY that makes good on the concepts and characters and it sparks their creativity. For some people it will get them to start writing or inspire them to do more. I've talked to a couple people who have rewrites of RWBY and I can at least say I see a lot of care and passion behind it, even if the results are mixed. People cared about RWBY and I don't think that's a bad thing.
 
Roland Daggett said:
I think for anyone who does their own RWBY thing it would be impossible to capture Monty's vision. No one could possibly fulfill that but Monty. There's something Shane said in his letter that I quite liked about how the fans carry the torch of RWBY. I think it's fine for people to try to fulfill the potential of RWBY because there's quite a lot you can do with it. Monty died with only two seasons of RWBY done that was very much only the start of something, then Miles took it from then on and RWBY became his own vision. I think a lot of people recognize the potential the show had and want to see something great come of it, especially since it very quickly went downhill. Some people want to at least imagine a version of RWBY that makes good on the concepts and characters and it sparks their creativity. For some people it will get them to start writing or inspire them to do more. I've talked to a couple people who have rewrites of RWBY and I can at least say I see a lot of care and passion behind it, even if the results are mixed. People cared about RWBY and I don't think that's a bad thing.
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I couldn't agree more.

BTW, speaking of rewrites and reboots, remember the reboot RWBY: Cherish or alternatively RWBY: Visions? It's now officially cancelled.
 
Random Internet Person said:
I’m in his Discord. He said that adhering to the canon was really limiting what they could do. Shame, really. Guy has real ambition and drive.
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Yeah adhering to RWBY canon is basically a deathwish for any creativity. RT will change everything on a dime for no reason other than because they didn't know how to make something they wanted to happen happen without breaking the rules (example: Surprise killing Sienna Khan despite her Aura so they retcon Aura to only pop up when you purposefully turn it on). I recall seeing some RWBY fanfic writers who outright admitted they stopped trying to stick to canon with their stories because canon was so difficult to keep up with. With everything getting huge retcons every season it was impossible for them to write coherent stories and still stick to what was going on in the show. I highly recommend to anyone doing something like this where they rewrite RWBY to not stick to canon. Maybe early stuff cause there was potential there but it'd be much easier to start from the ground up and create new canon that you can keep straight.

But it really is a shame it got cancelled. I love seeing someone work to create something like that.
 
I'm gonna sperg over the redesigns, which I think they do just because anime does it (I suspect it's a waste of time and resources they really need to put elsewhere). I don't like them because RWBY's signature colours have been muddied over time. Blake's design is mostly white now because of her coat and they broke apart what was so appealing about her first look (the somewhat gothic vibe, bow that gives the same effect as anime cat ears, LEGS, long flowing raven hair). The dark blue on Weiss's design dominates her outfit which is too busy to be elegant and Yang's been drowning in boring shades of brown for the past few Volumes. Ruby's is okay I guess. I notice she's a little less gothic lolita too, it's like everyone's characterization has slowly eroded to try and make the grungy zippers-and-shit look work. I loved Ren's new design in the illustration but it looks disappointing in 3D.

Doesn't help that the Maya designs make everything look mushy somehow, my brain keeps comparing it to the CGI cartoons I watched around the mid 2000s and I'm pretty sure that's not a favourable comparison...
 
Fougaro said:
I think it's a fool's errand trying to capture "Monty's vision" since what we have is either incomplete or not that good to begin with.
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I don't think we'd ever get 100% of "Monty's Vision" but the show really moves away from the core tenents, which are much more visible espically with the preview trailers, two seasons, several years of storyboarding/"bible" writing, interviews, and so on.

When I think of RWBY and "Monty's Vision", I think of
- A focus on fight choreography and interesting anime combat, with a root in realism but always "feels cool". A lot of fights between people with anime-ass weapons and abilities.
- A subtle but effective use of music, which ties into the series at large.
- A mix of serious and fun stories - fun enough where the characters are likable and deep but serious enough where the stakes feel real.
- Interesting characters with lore loosely tied to fairy tales - but treated as people and handled seriously. This extends to villians as well.

I don't think "Monty's Vision" needs to be super specific, down to detailed plot points, to be something to adhere to. It's the whole tone of the show has changed, and drastically.

Now we have
- A focus on talking and exposition. Fights are much less choreographed and are frequently against monsters as opposed to people.
- The music (while still good) is no longer tied into story as tight.
- The stories are rarely fun - even when Ren and Nora finally kiss, a minute later there is an attempted massacre of civilians. The characters have much less growth and are increasingly sidelined by an ever growing cast of characters.
- The characters are no longer serious. The "fairy tale" lore is now extended to include internet memes (like "Nyan Cat") and real life politicians, including an episode that was essentially a dramatized recreation of the 2016 American Presidential election - complete with a Donald Trump stand-in conspiring with an outside force to tamper with the election results.

I don't think it would be fair to expect the show to still be 100% "Monty's Vision" after he died, but the change has been pretty drastic to a point where it often feels like watching a reboot or a different show entirely.
 
BroccoliBrain said:
Doesn't help that the Maya designs make everything look mushy somehow, my brain keeps comparing it to the CGI cartoons I watched around the mid 2000s and I'm pretty sure that's not a favourable comparison...
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It's an issue I feel Maya has in general when it comes with CGI humans. Only difference between RT and a company like Dixnar is that the latter has a budget, animation and technical experience and the ability to actually define characters' individual appearances. RT's stuck using a shitty cel shader, lack of textures, floaty mocap, base body structures for 75% of the cast and gave their characters sausage fingers until Vol. 7 rolled around.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
It's an issue I feel Maya has in general when it comes with CGI humans. Only difference between RT and a company like Dixnar is that the latter has a budget, animation and technical experience and the ability to actually define characters' individual appearances. RT's stuck using a shitty cel shader, lack of textures, floaty mocap, base body structures for 75% of the cast and gave their characters sausage fingers until Vol. 7 rolled around.
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The two shows it reminded me of are actually Galactik Football and Freefonix because of the cel shaded look, but they mostly made that work for themselves rather than hopelessly trying to adapt anime visual gags into 3D.
 
Roland Daggett said:
Yeah adhering to RWBY canon is basically a deathwish for any creativity. RT will change everything on a dime for no reason other than because they didn't know how to make something they wanted to happen happen without breaking the rules (example: Surprise killing Sienna Khan despite her Aura so they retcon Aura to only pop up when you purposefully turn it on). I recall seeing some RWBY fanfic writers who outright admitted they stopped trying to stick to canon with their stories because canon was so difficult to keep up with. With everything getting huge retcons every season it was impossible for them to write coherent stories and still stick to what was going on in the show. I highly recommend to anyone doing something like this where they rewrite RWBY to not stick to canon. Maybe early stuff cause there was potential there but it'd be much easier to start from the ground up and create new canon that you can keep straight.

But it really is a shame it got cancelled. I love seeing someone work to create something like that.
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Doesn't help that the comics have a different canon altogether, no matter how much people want to deny it.
 
They surely do. Considering how they portray Raven, Willow, and of course Adam compared with how they all ended up in the show. adel aka on this:





Adam is especially notable since the DC comics really don't support the "abusive ex angle." Sure, he was an ultraviolent terrorist but the comics actually frame THAT as what makes Adam such a bad man and more importantly what makes him bad for Blake. Not him being a nasty Straight White Male Boyfriend.
 
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Sayon said:
They surely do. Considering how they portray Raven, Willow, and of course Adam compared with how they all ended up in the show. adel aka on this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iBMAj1Sz3jk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FqRKofRltEE
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ikUG8HGyxXQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=H4Fn0VwBvHs
Adam is especially notable since the DC comics really don't support the "abusive ex angle." Sure, he was an ultraviolent terrorist but the comics actually frame THAT as what makes Adam such a bad man and more importantly what makes him bad for Blake. Not him being a nasty Straight White Male Boyfriend.
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How do they portray them differently?
 
Random Internet Person said:
Presenting a RWBY take without comment. View attachment 1079693
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Of course Thomas Vaccaro retweeted that. He was all for criticizing RWBY until they started teasing that his precious bees might be canon. Now RWBY is the best show ever and Miles and Kerry can do no wrong and if you dislike the show, you're a dirty homophobe who hates lesbians. What a shill.
 
madethistocomment said:
Of course Thomas Vaccaro retweeted that. He was all for criticizing RWBY until they started teasing that his precious bees might be canon. Now RWBY is the best show ever and Miles and Kerry can do no wrong and if you dislike the show, you're a dirty homophobe who hates lesbians. What a shill.
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Ah, I see you’re familiar with Unicorn of War.
 
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