RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Random Internet Person]

Heavens to betsy, you'd have to be quite the dink to put a self-insert in a production that was the bread and butter of a company.

And if you accuse them of that or ask about it, fans and the crew will say that’s not true, Miles and Kerry are responsible for all the early Jaune, and Miles was even worried about that accusation. I’ve seen that happen.

 

[OddEyes]

And if you accuse them of that or ask about it, fans and the crew will say that’s not true, Miles and Kerry are responsible for all the early Jaune, and Miles was even worried about that accusation. I’ve seen that happen.

Really? Cause I thought the usual response was:

"NO SPOILERS!"

 

[Random Internet Person]

Really? Cause I thought the usual response was:

"NO SPOILERS!"

It was in a RWBY AMA after volume 5.

edit: here’s the answer

 

[Roland Daggett]

If you ask me I don't think Jaune was a self insert for Miles at first. I do believe Monty was behind Jaune's character for the first couple Volumes cause it felt like there was an actual arc for him and he was a character. Then in Volumes 3 and 4 Jaune becomes a walking prop who had no point, which I think is due to the loss of Monty and Miles just spinning the wheels of the show. Jaune literally only exists in Volume 4 to 1) Remind us of Pyrrha for some cheap emotional manipulation and 2) Serve as a prop for Ren's awfully written and generic backstory. I think Volume 5 was when he started to become a bit of a self insert cause Jaune randomly gets a deus ex machina Semblance that saves the day and even gets a close moment with Weiss... the girl he crushed on for a while early on. It seems odd to give Jaune this big moment when all the actual main characters just.... don't really do much during the Haven fight? Even that situation of Jaune healing Weiss only happened because Weiss became insanely incompetent to the point where Volume 1 Weiss was infinitely more competent. Jaune didn't even have a real arc of discovering his Semblance (which frankly should have come up in Volume 3 or 4 as a part of his growth as a character not a random power up).

Then he's still sticking around despite Jaune, Ren, and Nora being meaningless to the story and without Pyrrha they're not a full team. JNPR as a team is less relevant than Sun to what's going on yet they get to stay and get screentime. Jaune still suffers as a character due to EVERY character suffering from the horrid writing but any self insertness I think is fairly recent due to Miles' writing ability seemingly getting worse as time goes on. It does feel now that Miles seems overly attached to Jaune without actually doing anything of value with him. Everything with him is lip service.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I think Volume 5 was when he started to become a bit of a self insert cause Jaune randomly gets a deus ex machina Semblance that saves the day and even gets a close moment with Weiss... the girl he crushed on for a while early on. It seems odd to give Jaune this big moment when all the actual main characters just.... don't really do much during the Haven fight? Even that situation of Jaune healing Weiss only happened because Weiss became insanely incompetent to the point where Volume 1 Weiss was infinitely more competent. Jaune didn't even have a real arc of discovering his Semblance (which frankly should have come up in Volume 3 or 4 as a part of his growth as a character not a random power up).

You forgot the part where Weiss getting speared was the culmination of Cinder's rivalry with RUby being thrown out the window. And you could say Jaune struck first, but he still got a lot of Cinder's attention before the vault scenes, and they played the "avenge Phyrra" card, which fits him more than Ruby, and his Semblance reveal was a big deal while Ruby seemed to be in the background.

Then he's still sticking around despite Jaune, Ren, and Nora being meaningless to the story and without Pyrrha they're not a full team. JNPR as a team is less relevant than Sun to what's going on yet they get to stay and get screentime.

This show really needs to trim the fat. You think they exist to take the shots and killing offs for Team RWBY because they have enough main character points that they can get hurt and the show can be spared accusations of plot armor or protagonist centered morality?

Then he's still sticking around despite Jaune, Ren, and Nora being meaningless to the story and without Pyrrha they're not a full team.

In this show, team hasn't really been an aspect that's been established. It's pretty bad now that you have the Ace Ops, an Atlesian military unit. A buddy of mine on Discord and I talked about how the military of Atlas has no structure of any kind or a split of Army, Navy, and Air Force, and I brought up how teams in this show are literally just "leader" and "everyone else". RWBY isn't a team, it's an RPG party (Ruby is leader, Weiss is mage/lancer, Blake is rogue, Yang is muscle) and after Volume 5, it's only getting more bloated.

 

[Roland Daggett]

You forgot the part where Weiss getting speared was the culmination of Cinder's rivalry with RUby being thrown out the window. And you could say Jaune struck first, but he still got a lot of Cinder's attention before the vault scenes, and they played the "avenge Phyrra" card, which fits him more than Ruby, and his Semblance reveal was a big deal while Ruby seemed to be in the background.

Oh yeah I completely forgot about Jaune usurping Ruby's fight with Cinder for no reason. Cinder spends multiple seasons hating Ruby and years are spent building up to a Ruby vs Cinder fight.... only for Cinder to ignore Ruby and fight Jaune.

This show really needs to trim the fat. You think they exist to take the shots and killing offs for Team RWBY because they have enough main character points that they can get hurt and the show can be spared accusations of plot armor or protagonist centered morality?

Now the size of the cast wasn't that big of a deal in early seasons when they were at a school that justifies having so many characters around, but now that they're supposed to be like a team traveling the world you'd think they'd split off. Why aren't Jaune, Nora, and Ren going on their own journey? They're basically being treated as RWBY's extras.

 

[Sayon]

In hindsight, it might've turned out way better if Jaune was never a character to begin with and Pyrrha was the leader of JNR who befriends Ruby.

In this show, team hasn't really been an aspect that's been established. It's pretty bad now that you have the Ace Ops, an Atlesian military unit. A buddy of mine on Discord and I talked about how the military of Atlas has no structure of any kind or a split of Army, Navy, and Air Force, and I brought up how teams in this show are literally just "leader" and "everyone else". RWBY isn't a team, it's an RPG party (Ruby is leader, Weiss is mage/lancer, Blake is rogue, Yang is muscle) and after Volume 5, it's only getting more bloated.

Atlas also has a poorly thought-out government considering how the the narrative seems to treat becoming a chair sitter within the council as a position like getting elected president or king (aka have the highest position of executive power). Not even becoming some higher member of the council.

At least for Jacques you can say that him already being trusted among Atlas' elite means he can talk other councilmen into opposing Ironwood's orders. Robyn has no evidennce of such.

 

[Random Internet Person]

New episode, guys. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7pgqx1

 

[Rondo Richter Belmont]

New episode, guys. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7pgqx1

Personally, this episode wasn’t half-bad.

It hadn’t been a Idiot Plot like the last two episodes had been, and I even remarked on a Discord server that it would be a disappointment to not see RWBY and JNR attending a gala / party for Jacques Schnee involving them getting into some sort of shenanigans (Even if what I envisioned was different) which to my surprise was unintentionally called by me~

That aside, the debut of Willow Schnee was enjoyable and rather than a surly drunk woman who hates her children (Alongside her husband) she clearly gives a shit about them;plus she points out to Weiss that she left her little brother in the hands of a depressed drunk and a major league asshole who probably had to quickly advance his son to be like him to lead the SDC some day.

(Which to I say ‘THANK YOU’ Willow, because the insaner RWBY tards who want Whitley dead ignore he’s a victim too.)

Other than that, I don’t care about the cliffhanger end where Watts cuts the heating grid of Atlas (Someone please point out why everything in Atlas is so fucking hackable), and the piss poor comedy scene where JNR try to get Whitley out of the picture so Weiss can investigate is terrible, literally either just have Nora run towards his way with the food and hit him with a “bump” or have them cause a distraction where Whitley has to stop Nora from riding an ice sculpture / other shenanigans.

As for the Council Scene, it wasn’t good besides Winter snapping at Jacques and the scene where Penny speaks with Winter.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Personally, this episode wasn’t half-bad.

It hadn’t been a Idiot Plot like the last two episodes had been, and I even remarked on a Discord server that it would be a disappointment to not see RWBY and JNR attending a gala / party for Jacques Schnee involving them getting into some sort of shenanigans (Even if what I envisioned was different) which to my surprise was unintentionally called by me~

That aside, the debut of Willow Schnee was enjoyable and rather than a surly drunk woman who hates her children (Alongside her husband) she clearly gives a shit about them;plus she points out to Weiss that she left her little brother in the hands of a depressed drunk and a major league asshole who probably had to quickly advance his son to be like him to lead the SDC some day.

(Which to I say ‘THANK YOU’ Willow, because the insaner RWBY tards who want Whitley dead ignore he’s a victim too.)

Other than that, I don’t care about the cliffhanger end where Watts cuts the heating grid of Atlas (Someone please point out why everything in Atlas is so fucking hackable), and the piss poor comedy scene where JNR try to get Whitley out of the picture so Weiss can investigate is terrible, literally either just have Nora run towards his way with the food and hit him with a “bump” or have them cause a distraction where Whitley has to stop Nora from riding an ice sculpture / other shenanigans.

As for the Council Scene, it wasn’t good besides Winter snapping at Jacques and the scene where Penny speaks with Winter.

Interesting. My friends have said that Willowmay actually redeem herself to be more than a depressed drunk or fight Jacques to be the head of the family. I just think it’s them painting Willow as this volume’s one good Schnee and the only one that Weiss can trust in her family/house. Some have also said that Willow may be a better MILF than Kali...and also she might die because he has the Trisha Elric haircut.

As for comedy, yeah it was dumb. RWBY has this brand of what they think is anime humor with over the top facial expressions and an upbeat tone with its characters where it may not fit. The humor, aside from being not funny, has a habit of not syncing with the story RWBY wants to tell.

 

[ChevroletBlackboard]

It was another episode of RWBY which means that barring some small character stuff with the side cast (especially Qrow) and the Willow scene, I found it overall to be depressingly average. I keep saying every week that Volume 7's gonna live or die on whatever its final act is building towards but the pacing has been so glacial and the plot so boring that I'm beginning to wonder even if the season kicks off with a bang in two weeks if it'll save the season.

I'm getting really bad Volume 5 flashbacks right now.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

As for the Council Scene, it wasn’t good besides Winter snapping at Jacques and the scene where Penny speaks with Winter.

I would have liked the scene better had Winter lashed out at her dad like they were setting up before being told to shut it. Would've actually been a good time to show how shitty Jacques's relationship with his family is.

As for comedy, yeah it was dumb. RWBY has this brand of what they think is anime humor with over the top facial expressions and an upbeat tone with its characters where it may not fit. The humor, aside from being not funny, has a habit of not syncing with the story RWBY wants to tell.

It doesn't help that the animation itself is extremely stiff and still relies on very obviously unfinished mo-cap for much of it. That "comedy" scene had way too many stilted movements going on and keep in mind, they had three volumes before this to improve their skills and there's points where it falls back to Vol. 5 quality or where it looks even worse than the Poser Volumes.

Is Maya really giving these guys a hard time, is it the budget and time constraints that make them unable to fix or fine tune anything (which again, would be lovely to know the details of), or do they just not want to actually put in the effort?

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'm getting really bad Volume 5 flashbacks right now.

At the very least, Gray isn't cutting the volume's legs from under it, so this time, they have no excuses.

Is Maya really giving these guys a hard time, is it the budget and time constraints that make them unable to fix or fine tune anything (which again, would be lovely to know the details of), or do they just not want to actually put in the effort?

I have no fucking clue. My thing is RWBY could benefit from a longer hiatus, but they don't do that because RT doesn't have another moneymaker they can put on in the meantime. They tried that with Gen Lock, but we all know how that ended up.

 

[Rondo Richter Belmont]

Interesting. My friends have said that Willowmay actually redeem herself to be more than a depressed drunk or fight Jacques to be the head of the family. I just think it’s them painting Willow as this volume’s one good Schnee and the only one that Weiss can trust in her family/house. Some have also said that Willow may be a better MILF than Kali...and also she might die because he has the Trisha Elric haircut.

As for comedy, yeah it was dumb. RWBY has this brand of what they think is anime humor with over the top facial expressions and an upbeat tone with its characters where it may not fit. The humor, aside from being not funny, has a habit of not syncing with the story RWBY wants to tell.

While I don’t doubt Willow is a good person, putting her above Kali is a bit much because if Kali had a troubled marriage with Ghira she’d probably leave quicker with Blake in tow~ Willow more than likely had little choice to do so because it’s not hard to imagine Jacques fucking her over if she left him with their kids, and remarks by Weiss where she gave up in despair after Jacques admitted to marrying for the name only to the woman’s face with zero fucks given just solidified it.

She’s redeemed herself because she isn’t a bitter drunk who hates her children, or blames them for her marriage to Jacques...She’ll hopefully continue on her redemption, because I can agree that she’s the second better MILF after Kali but her competition is with a (Presumably) dead woman and the last woman is just all kinds of shit much worse than her.

As for the comedy, I know the staple of what RWBY does but everyone saw the twist with that socialite lady getting pelted coming before she came on screen.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

At the very least, Gray isn't cutting the volume's legs from under it, so this time, they have no excuses.

I have no fucking clue. My thing is RWBY could benefit from a longer hiatus, but they don't do that because RT doesn't have another moneymaker they can put on in the meantime. They tried that with Gen Lock, but we all know how that ended up.

If that's the case, then why not farm out a few episodes so the main team can actually clean up their own mess? They have a studio in China (who actually animated episodes of Trollhunters) to help out with the effects if Vol. 6's credits are of any indication. Why not give some whole episodes to them if you're already giving them your effects?

 

[Timaeus Testified]

Could they really have not designed new outfits for any of the characters to attend a gala? I get Ironwood, Winter, Penny, the SpecOps team, and Qrow not changing clothes, but this would've been a golden opportunity for some classic RWBY tier humor and have Weiss point out to her clueless team-mates how to dress and act properly in a fine society type setting.

Additionally, why does everyone seem to brush off Penny as some kind of soulless robot? She very clearly has emotions, although she doesn't understand them. This scene could have been so much better, with Winter explaining to Penny the difficulties of having a troubled family upbringing. It would have achieved two things: exposit more about the Schnee family upbringing and shed some light on Winter as a character and how she felt about her childhood. Plus it would be natural for Winter to explain all this to Penny who is basically an only child and not human.

Shake my head at this damn show; the writers have a golden opportunity here and they decide to cut the scene short and only show us facial reaction shots instead of some heartfelt dialogue. Maybe we'll get a cool fight scene to make up for this next episode? That's seriously what I'm still watching for at this point, that and to see how they tie this shit together at the end.

 

[First Aid Kit]

It's been only 7 episodes so far and RWBY again remind me of its problem "telling, not showing", I'd love to if anyone can correct me where I'm wrong.

1a) From previous episodes, how characters keep saying Mantle is suffering because of strict regulation and helping Atlas. These reasons contribute to negative emotion -> Grimm. Yet, Atlas handles Grimm just fine with Penny and Ace Ops. Even then Robyn Hill group is graduated Hunstmen from Atlas, so they can hunt Grimm fine without the loicense issue.
The worst I've seen at Mantle is how boring the place, you have maybe some hobos and "rebels", but "rebels" are causing even less order in society. Funny how Robyn Hill said "we don't condone violence".

1b) About council and voting, it never explores what Mantle - Atlas like before fall of Beacon, how people life is. Except Faunus discrimination, everyone knows that. Because I want to know more, how strict or stricter regulation affects overall supply needed for everyone in the city. Then how it affects Schnee Dust Company, so Jacques can do "more jerbs" for everyone.
Then Robyn Hill being "vigilante" while still running for election, Ironwood and his Ace Ops are letting her group activities slide away until her group steals a supply truck. If Ironwood is that desperate and "paranoid", why doesn't he have any tracking device on those trucks? I mean, they knew an unidentified - unauthorized Gunship flew into the city in episode 1.

2) Why is Nora the person againsts Ironwood method the most? Where is in her backstory gives this indication Nora caring Mantle so much? It's like RT wants to make that Ren - Nora moment, they have no idea to make it natural and since RT "forgot" about Ren - Nora development, they just shove "against or with Ironwood" in Ren - Nora.

3) Up until now, nowhere in RWBY shows Weiss caring about Schnee company, maybe she cares about her family name in early volume at most. Even in volume 4 or 5, Whitley made fun of Weiss for not pleasing Jacques, so I assume only Whitley cares about being the next heir in family name and company. I mean like the early goal of main cast was to become Huntsmen and then they even have an episode with the main cast got promoted.
I don't even remember Willow appearing in any previous volume, somehow Jacques tried to gaslight Weiss making Willow broken when it's clearly Jacques is an abusive piece of shit. So now they have Willow being drunk and it seems she doesn't give much caring or protection to Whitley either.

All of those things from point no.3 come down to: is the conflict within Schnee family is just having an a-hole father? Not much with the company name and Faunus exploitation (ahem, Adam)? Then if exposing Schnee brand mark on Adam face would show everyone how much of an a-hole Jacques beside his promise for more "jerbs". Isn't this a good opportunity for Yang - Blake helping Robyn Hill more in the future? But well, Adam is also an a-hole to RT, so no justice for the Faunus in Mantle.

Other note: Is it only Weiss and Winter have semblance in the family? Because I thought semblance and aura thing would run in the blood. I know there can be exception, like Jaune - his sister(s) and Whitley.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Could they really have not designed new outfits for any of the characters to attend a gala? I get Ironwood, Winter, Penny, the SpecOps team, and Qrow not changing clothes, but this would've been a golden opportunity for some classic RWBY tier humor and have Weiss point out to her clueless team-mates how to dress and act properly in a fine society type setting.

Additionally, why does everyone seem to brush off Penny as some kind of soulless robot? She very clearly has emotions, although she doesn't understand them. This scene could have been so much better, with Winter explaining to Penny the difficulties of having a troubled family upbringing. It would have achieved two things: exposit more about the Schnee family upbringing and shed some light on Winter as a character and how she felt about her childhood. Plus it would be natural for Winter to explain all this to Penny who is basically an only child and not human.

Shake my head at this damn show; the writers have a golden opportunity here and they decide to cut the scene short and only show us facial reaction shots instead of some heartfelt dialogue. Maybe we'll get a cool fight scene to make up for this next episode? That's seriously what I'm still watching for at this point, that and to see how they tie this shit together at the end.

You know, I never thought of it that way. Honestly that JNR scene where they get Whitley drenched seems worse now because they put so much effort in making a joke out of a character fans and/or CRWBY hate. Missed opportunity, and placing emphasis on things where they shouldn’t be.

 

[LordBaron]

So there's a threadnaught of a person being triggered over Youtubers who don't say "RWBY's perfect".

https://archive.li/Bpjxu

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

So there's a threadnaught of a person being triggered over Youtubers who don't say "RWBY's perfect".

https://archive.li/Bpjxu

What kind of unmitigated faggotry is this?