RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Jewelsmakerguy said:
For that matter, why case a semi-recgonizable VA for a bit part when they're just going to kill her off? Why not just grab some other employee or one of the other actresses in the episode to do it, was Rial just in the studio one day and they told her to read the part?
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Because if you do it that way, you can say "Monical Rial is in the show" and only have to pay her for a single day - as opposed to paying her for a much larger part.
 
Honestly, the White Fang shoulda been a group where it's splintered into several divisions with their own goals (Even using the designs of those figures we saw, before the Galaxy Brain Duo used Mr. Retcon) and it's a shame that this group was a fucking joke.

Jewelsmakerguy said:
For that matter, why case a semi-recgonizable VA for a bit part when they're just going to kill her off? Why not just grab some other employee or one of the other actresses in the episode to do it, was Rial just in the studio one day and they told her to read the part?
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Truthfully, it just reminds me of how they got Laura Bailey to be Amber (The first Maiden we see, and would set the trend of them being Macguffins with no character) because Cuck Teeth had her in their office for like a day since she was touring the place and thus she voiced Amber during that time.
 
Tanner Glass said:
Because if you do it that way, you can say "Monical Rial is in the show" and only have to pay her for a single day - as opposed to paying her for a much larger part.
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Which really doesn't make sense when they got all these other Anime VAs (and the 2009 Jason actor) to play more prominent roles and they porobably weren't any cheaper. Especially not the ones from LA.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Which really doesn't make sense when they got all these other Anime VAs (and the 2009 Jason actor) to play more prominent roles and they porobably weren't any cheaper. Especially not the ones from LA.
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Let's just say Gen Lock wasn't the first time RT wanted to be seen as more than "those guys who dick around in Halo".
 
LordBaron said:
The timing was apparently accidental.

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"Hunter is trans, and says “we’re here to educate you bitches” (Hunter, 2019)
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Oh c'mon...really now? Give me a fucking break.
 
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Sayon said:
Sienna Khan herself was an unneeded retcon (she doesn't match any of the silhouettes the WF leaders had awhile ago and her current role in the organization doesn't fit with Blake's narration on its turn towards ultraviolence) there to make Adam look comically vile and give Monica Rial something to do.



The fantasy racism subplot didn't work since we've yet to see faunus abused at such a level to make terrrorism at the scale of the White Fang's actions still be sympathetic and they made it too fixated on Blake rather than RWBY. Adam and Ruby could've walked near each-other prior to the former's demise and you could be sure neither would recognize the other.
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Adam should have just been the leader of the White Fang like he was already heavily implied to be. From Blake's exposition dump at the end of Volume 1 she made it sound like the previous leader stepped down and Adam took over. Then suddenly they throw in Sienna Khan who does nothing. Like seriously what did she add? She's around for literally one scene before Adam kills her and takes over anyways. It would have just been much simpler to have the White Fang be an isolated group that Adam took over and ran. Just focus on Adam and develop him instead of wasting time doing everything BUT that.

The White Fang should have done stuff that was wrong but could be seen as sympathetic. Like make it actually morally gray. Even though they do horrid things a lot of Faunus support them because they actually fight for the Faunus directly. In the bigger picture it just escalates the violence but that's something that on the ground level you can see Faunus flocking to because they're so beat down by society (and actually SHOW how awful they're treated don't just say it). Give the Faunus in the White Fang focus and show things from their perspective. Show that a lot of them are not just evil monsters but people who were pushed to the edge because of the bigotry of society. But the White Fang just get written as one dimensional bad guys with no depth while Miles and co. desperately try to convince us that this conflict is deep.
 
Roland Daggett said:
Adam should have just been the leader of the White Fang like he was already heavily implied to be. From Blake's exposition dump at the end of Volume 1 she made it sound like the previous leader stepped down and Adam took over. Then suddenly they throw in Sienna Khan who does nothing. Like seriously what did she add? She's around for literally one scene before Adam kills her and takes over anyways. It would have just been much simpler to have the White Fang be an isolated group that Adam took over and ran. Just focus on Adam and develop him instead of wasting time doing everything BUT that.

The White Fang should have done stuff that was wrong but could be seen as sympathetic. Like make it actually morally gray. Even though they do horrid things a lot of Faunus support them because they actually fight for the Faunus directly. In the bigger picture it just escalates the violence but that's something that on the ground level you can see Faunus flocking to because they're so beat down by society (and actually SHOW how awful they're treated don't just say it). Give the Faunus in the White Fang focus and show things from their perspective. Show that a lot of them are not just evil monsters but people who were pushed to the edge because of the bigotry of society. But the White Fang just get written as one dimensional bad guys with no depth while Miles and co. desperately try to convince us that this conflict is deep.
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There's the theory that the BLM movement caused M&K to change up the White Fang and make them terrorists with Adam being the abusive ex.
 
LordBaron said:
There's the theory that the BLM movement caused M&K to change up the White Fang and make them terrorists with Adam being the abusive ex.
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Eh. I’d say that after volume 3 l, the fandom wanted Adam’s blood for what happened to their bees. I mean, why do you think Ilia exists? Also, the crew have a really hard time keeping emotions in check and letting their personal biases not affect the story.
 
LordBaron said:
There's the theory that the BLM movement caused M&K to change up the White Fang and make them terrorists with Adam being the abusive ex.
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Personally I don't think so. That assumes M&K wanted to make the White Fang well written in the first place. And from what I've seen Miles already had some warped ideas of Adam from the beginning, with Monty specifically seeing Adam and Blake as having a mentor/student relationship (which is how Blake describes it in Volume 2) and Miles saw them as exes. I don't remember the source but I remember seeing that Miles always saw Adam that way so without Monty to dictate the story he went full hog with Adam being the crazy ex. And because he can't execute even the simplest story to save his life they made Adam just a creepy stalker ex. And from interviews it sounds like Miles and others at RT just plain didn't like Adam so instead of writing him consistently they just warped him to fit how they saw him, which ended up with him being a pathetic whiny loser who got one shot by the same person who he completely bodied earlier in the show with no explanation, then acting like his motivations revolved around Blake instead of Faunus liberation which just completes the trashing of his character. Then after Volume 3 trashed his character we're introduced to Ilia who fundamentally took all of the sympathetic aspects you'd think Adam should have gotten and effectively stole a possible Adam redemption arc cause they already turned Adam into such a horrid and two dimensional monster no one cared about him anymore. Then they messed that up too by trying to rush Ilia's arc in one season making it come out hamfisted and illogical.
 
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Roland Daggett said:
Personally I don't think so. That assumes M&K wanted to make the White Fang well written in the first place. And from what I've seen Miles already had some warped ideas of Adam from the beginning, with Monty specifically seeing Adam and Blake has a mentor/student relationship (which is how Blake describes it in Volume 2) and Miles saw them as exes. I don't remember the source but I remember seeing that Miles always saw Adam that way so without Monty to dictate the story he went full hog with Adam being the crazy ex. And because he can't execute even the simplest story to save his life they made Adam just a creepy stalker ex. And from interviews it sounds like Miles and others at RT just plain didn't like Adam so instead of writing him consistently they just warped him to fit how they saw him, which ended up with him being a pathetic whiny loser who got one shot by the same person who he completely bodied earlier in the show with no explanation, then acting like his motivations revolved around Blake instead of Faunus liberation which just completes the trashing of his character. Then after Volume 3 trashed his character we're introduced to Ilia who fundamentally took all of the sympathetic aspects you'd think Adam should have gotten and effectively stole a possible Adam redemption arc cause they already turned Adam into such a horrid and two dimensional monster no one cared about him anymore. Then they messed that up too by trying to rush Ilia's arc in one season making it come out hamfisted and illogical.
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Just what I thought. CRWBY and the fandom will destroy a character just because they hate them. I feel that “don’t let your feelings affect a story” is probably one of the first things you learn in a creative writing course.
 
Roland Daggett said:
Personally I don't think so. That assumes M&K wanted to make the White Fang well written in the first place. And from what I've seen Miles already had some warped ideas of Adam from the beginning, with Monty specifically seeing Adam and Blake as having a mentor/student relationship (which is how Blake describes it in Volume 2) and Miles saw them as exes. I don't remember the source but I remember seeing that Miles always saw Adam that way so without Monty to dictate the story he went full hog with Adam being the crazy ex. And because he can't execute even the simplest story to save his life they made Adam just a creepy stalker ex. And from interviews it sounds like Miles and others at RT just plain didn't like Adam so instead of writing him consistently they just warped him to fit how they saw him, which ended up with him being a pathetic whiny loser who got one shot by the same person who he completely bodied earlier in the show with no explanation, then acting like his motivations revolved around Blake instead of Faunus liberation which just completes the trashing of his character. Then after Volume 3 trashed his character we're introduced to Ilia who fundamentally took all of the sympathetic aspects you'd think Adam should have gotten and effectively stole a possible Adam redemption arc cause they already turned Adam into such a horrid and two dimensional monster no one cared about him anymore. Then they messed that up too by trying to rush Ilia's arc in one season making it come out hamfisted and illogical.
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If Miles had this different interpretation of Adam than what Monty conceived him as intended, then I have even more reason to dislike Miles besides my current dislike after he turned Volume 7 into his RWBY fanfic where he spends time screeching about Donald Trump, in such a thinly veiled allegory that it chokes you so hard where Bumblebee seems to be subtle in comparison.

If you can't be professional to make a good character out of one you dislike, then maybe you shouldn't be writing.
 
Rondo Richter Belmont said:
If Miles had this different interpretation of Adam than what Monty conceived him as intended, then I have even more reason to dislike Miles besides my current dislike after he turned Volume 7 into his RWBY fanfic where he spends time screeching about Donald Trump, in such a thinly veiled allegory that it chokes you so hard where Bumblebee seems to be subtle in comparison.

If you can't be professional to make a good character out of one you dislike, then maybe you shouldn't be writing.
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Funny you mention Trump...https://twitter.com/TheMilesLuna?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
 
Roland Daggett said:
Then suddenly they throw in Sienna Khan who does nothing. Like seriously what did she add?
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Women in refrigerators?

To be a bit serious, and since the conversation returned to Adam, I wanna respond to a thing from a little bit ago and rant for small while:

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To quote that first tweet - "but Adam never truly cared for Faunus liberation & retribution. "

If that were the case, then he wouldn't have denied Cinder who wanted to use his troops, of FAUNUS, for a dangerous mission. Despite the whole retcons, there was nothing to ever really hint at in the earlier seasons that Adam didn't care about the Faunus cause. Hell, I remember a scene when he was told that Blake was spotted, that he brushed it off and focused on his planning. Someone who was 'so obsessed' and 'never truly cared for the Faunus' wouldn't do that. I'm sure that's been discussed already in this thread, so mark me late if you like.

Rondo Richter Belmont said:
If you can't be professional to make a good character out of one you dislike, then maybe you shouldn't be writing.
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I'm actually kind of curious on WHY they hated Adam Taurus. Was there ever a commentary track where they actually say why? Aside from him 'being abusive' because technically speaking, that's on Miles and Kerry for writing him like that. They didn't have to make him out to be that way, so any actions that he does are only done by the will by those two geniuses - That's how WRITING CHARACTERS WORKS.

A character is whomever the writer wants them to be - If you write them out to be a monster, then that's on YOU as the writer, not the character themselves. If you write a character to be as interesting as Soggy toast, that's on YOU as the writer, not the character. If you hate a character you're writing for, then what the hell is the character even doing there other than for you to wank off a hate boner?

If I can be a bit tinfoilhatted for a second, I think this 'version' of Adam was actually based on a real person, probably someone who cucked a girlfriend from Miles - Someone who was cool, calm, and wore a lot of black. Miles totally strikes me as someone who would be that jaded.
 
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OddEyes said:
Women in refrigerators?

To be a bit serious, and since the conversation returned to Adam, I wanna respond to a thing from a little bit ago and rant for small while:



To quote that first tweet - "but Adam never truly cared for Faunus liberation & retribution. "

If that were the case, then he wouldn't have denied Cinder who wanted to use his troops, of FAUNUS, for a dangerous mission. Despite the whole retcons, there was nothing to ever really hint at in the earlier seasons that Adam didn't care about the Faunus cause. Hell, I remember a scene when he was told that Blake was spotted, that he brushed it off and focused on his planning. Someone who was 'so obsessed' and 'never truly cared for the Faunus' wouldn't do that. I'm sure that's been discussed already in this thread, so mark me late if you like.



I'm actually kind of curious on WHY they hated Adam Taurus. Was there ever a commentary track where they actually say why? Aside from him 'being abusive' because technically speaking, that's on Miles and Kerry for writing him like that. They didn't have to make him out to be that way, so any actions that he does are only done by the will by those two geniuses - That's how WRITING CHARACTERS WORKS.

A character is whomever the writer wants them to be - If you write them out to be a monster, then that's on YOU as the writer, not the character themselves. If you write a character to be as interesting as Soggy toast, that's on YOU as the writer, not the character. If you hate a character you're writing for, then what the hell is the character even doing there other than for you to wank off a hate boner?

If I can be a bit tinfoilhatted for a second, I think this 'version' of Adam was actually based on a real person, probably someone who cucked a girlfriend from Miles - Someone who was cool, calm, and wore a lot of black. Miles totally strikes me as someone who would be that jaded.
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Well, Miles and Arryn did date once upon a time.
 
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