[–]liveinlivingcolor
The first and best thing you can do is stop being a hypocrite. Nobody is gonna take anything you say seriously if you're the moderator on one of her subs. Just leave it at once, stop engaging on any of her works whatsover unless you're gonna boycott it.
I will start the process soon. I will have to find and train a new mod.
Why do you care if you want to take her whole brand down? Just leave and prove you don't care. Close down the entire sub
Because A: it’s a moderator’s job to make sure people are not harassed and attacked. No matter the differences of opinion, I can’t leave people to do whatever they want.And B: once a sub is created, I don’t think it can be deleted. It can be abandoned, but it will remain.I will explain why I’m leaving to the sub and will share a bit about my decision and the sub I’m working on, but I can’t close it down. I don’t get to decide what people can and can’t do in a public forum; even if I could, someone would just create a new sub.I need to look into it, and I need to make sure people feel safe. I just need some time.
None of that is your problem if you *really* don't care... sounds like you're just making excuses to keep enabling her brands and at the same get some pats on the back making posts like this...
I looked that sub and it has like 10 other mods and you can't leave because...?
Many of the other mods are no longer moderating. They are there so that myself and the one other mod aren’t attacked directly as being the only mods.I do really care. I also care about not breaking reddits rules and being banned. No matter their beliefs, all Reddit users deserve to have good moderators. All redditers deserve to go about their lives in peace.It is my problem as it’s part of being a moderator, promising to uphold reddits rules and to ensure a community isn’t being harmed.It would be like if this sub had only one mod who decided to leave with no warning. The users in the sub can now be harassed and attacked without repercussions.That wouldn’t be fair.
Yeah, that's where your hypocrisy kicks in. You're not breaking any Reddit rules by choosing to leave a sub or leaving its moderation.
You're not gonna make any change if you're still trying to protect the very same thing you're claiming you want to destroy. It's pure hypocrisy.
Just tell the other mods "I'm leaving and you need to do better" and... Leave? It's that easy if you're being sincere in this post
Just editing to add that you do you if you want to stay, but you don't get to help her brand and then claim you're an ally. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Pick one and go from there (and making vague indications doesn't count)
I understand now. I just wanted to save the other mod some work since they’ve been really patient with taking me on (I had no previous moderation experience).
I just don’t want to dump more work on them and thought offering to train a new mod would help (which I will no longer do). Not to keep the sub alive, but to make sure they aren’t having to work more because of me. They’re already busy and have had some issues in real life lately and it didn’t seem fair to me.
I will be leaving today or tomorrow, after we get a chance to talk (we’re in different time zones). I want to thank them for everything and ask if I can talk about the decision ti leave with the sub (as it technically breaks the no Rowling discussion rule). I think at least a few people would be interested in a sub where they can discuss her and an explanation may get a few people to rethink their participation in the fandom.
Sorry I didn’t reply sooner, I wasn’t on Reddit yesterday. Thank you for your advice, I needed it.
What am I even reading?!?! Never seen someone taking "being a Reddit mod" that serious...If you just leave, nothing will happen, it's not your job, it's just some subreddit, they will not fall apart by you leaving. In 10/10 cases no one will even notice.Being a Reddit mod isn't that deep mate.
The only reason I was wanting to train a new mod was so that the other mod I work with wouldn’t have to. They aren’t on Reddit often and they’ve been really patient and helpful, so I don’t want to leave them with more work, but…
I will let them know I’m leaving and will ask if I can explain why to the sub (which technically breaks a rule and may cause more moderation work), but that’s all. I want to help them, but I didn’t know that would be this bad.
Edit to note that I decided not to suggest a replacement. You’re right, it doesn’t feel right. I just sent them a message explaining that I’ll leave as soon as they can answer my question.
Sorry I didn’t answer for awhile, I wasn’t on Reddit yesterday.
[–]mercurius874
Ok so, I’m coming at this as a trans guy who grew up with the series and was absolutely obsessed when I was young. I read the books when I was like 7, I joined forums and early social media fandoms to talk about it & RP, I was known as the kid that knew everything about it to my family and friends. The series meant a TON to me as a child and the fandom drove me to my future interests as well. All that is to say I can understand what people mean when they say how attached they are to the world, because that was me at a point in time.
The older I got, the more I realized how bigoted both Rowling and her writing was. Even before she became a raging transphobe, the books are still filled with racism, antisemitism, homophobia, misogyny. The bigotry wasn’t an accident or something she slipped into, this was baked in from the beginning and just accepted by readers as alright or not understood by kids for what it actually meant. The more popular the books got,
the more those ideas could be normalized in the audience and anyone who raised issue would then be seen as the weird ones for speaking out about a beloved franchise. Rowling’s transphobia is just the cherry on a shit cake but
how absolutely horrific she is with it has brought her down and
let her writing be seen for what it really is: literal shit.
What I would want for people who still are attached to the world of HP to recognize is that fundamentally, what they are loving is not the actual HP world, because I doubt most are in love with the parts about house elf slavery or antisemitic caricatures for bankers or the fact that non-white characters are nearly nonexistent to the plot. What they are in love with is a magical world and the escapism that a magic school & society brings. Realizing that is the first step to getting the fuck out of the fandom, because that is not a unique concept by any means.
Like, you could probably do better being in fandom about Wizards of Waverly Place. And if there’s no fandom that interests them, and especially if that’s the case and they’re primarily into fanfiction/art,
CREATE YOUR OWN WORLD. At this point
HP creators have done so much more leg work and world building that Rowling never cared to do that they could have just made a completely separate franchise that had no association with her. But by having it stay as HP fanfiction and not adapting those ideas into OCs and creating a better world, it has let HP stay mainstream and brought new fans in as well. Obviously it’s unavoidable that HP will get attention considering the whole lands at Universal and the new releases, but
fandoms have also helped to keep the series relevant and drive people toward it as well.
So to try and answer a couple of your questions. For videos, Princess Weekes has made a couple videos about HP and the fandom that I believe are worth checking out. Lily Simpson, Shaun, and Ember Green also have good videos about the topic/issues with the series.
I think the best way to start distancing oneself from the series is to realize how much bigotry it contains and that is fundamental to the systems in the HP world.
I personally do not think fanfiction is a good alternative and that even if the fanfiction itself doesn’t fund Rowling, it still gives her series attention and maintains its cultural presence. There are also authors now that are repackaging their HP fanfiction as published novels and using the HP association as a selling point. All of this keeps the series alive and keeps money flowing to Rowling as people inevitably later on buy & consume stuff related to the franchise that she makes money from if they become attached to it. I could not in good conscience drive anyone toward the series myself knowing how bad it is and how awful Rowling is.
It cannot be reclaimed, either, because Rowling is directly profiting. She isn’t dead, this isn’t a Lovecraft scenario, and her harm is real and visible.
What’s the line? It’s going to depend on the individual.
I personally have zero tolerance and can no longer stand to consume any of the content. I still have stuff I got when I was a child but I would not buy anything else, and I will not watch or read anything else related to the series. I agree with your stance that it’s a slippery slope, and that’s why I don’t think advising people to support any of it, even if fan-made, is a good idea.
If people want to separate themselves from Rowling and the bigotry she spreads, they have to separate themselves from the series. There really isn’t a great alternative that won’t bring her attention and profit eventually. If people do continue to like the series, I think they should be made well aware of what the books uphold and what Rowling herself promotes, and they should not shy away from those facts. People that are affected by her bigotry, like trans people, are often going to be distrustful if they see others that openly enjoy and talk about the series, so those in fandom should know how the interest can lead to outsiders seeing them as potentially bigoted by continued association.
I don’t personally think it’s a bad idea to have a sub to discuss Rowling/HP’s bigotry, because I think a lot of people aren’t aware of how truly bad it is. If it can help others distance themselves from the series and find better interests that they can dive into, then I think it’ll help lessen some of the impact it continues to have. So I do wish you the best of luck if it is created. Hopefully all of this made sense and obviously none of what I said is meant to disparage you/others, I really do understand how difficult it is to separate yourself from something you’ve been attached to for so long, and that fight to separate yourself from it definitely doesn’t happen overnight.
This does make sense, and thank you for taking the time to answer me.The fan fiction part has been making me go in circles of indecision. I’ve been working on a huge fan fiction project for months now, and I don’t want to give up on it. I’ve spent a lot of time on it and so many other fans have helped, naming characters and such.It was from the start supposed to be for fun, but also as a learning experience. Like you said, the good parts of the characters and world should be in new books and movies, and I wanted to treat it as a way to learn about the time period (1926-1945). The main character, Newt, is such a genuinely good character and I cannot wrap my brain around how such a hateful person could write such an accepting one. I wanted to use the opportunity to learn how to write a story before writing my own.The original story/movies where very poorly written, and I wanted to rewrite the story and make it into what the fans wanted to see.I don’t want to give up it. It would feel incomplete and abandoned, and I don’t want to abandon the characters I’ve given a past and future to. I don’t want to leave their story out in the open.It’s also helped me stay sane. The US is having a very real problem with an elected criminal leader, and writing Grindelwald being defeated is a very silly but satisfying way of finding hope.I know it’s such a silly thing to have to let go of, but it is hard. I keep trying to think of ways to finish it, but if I don’t share it, the people I’ve worked with on it, people who want to see Newt’s happy ending, wouldn’t be able to enjoy it. If I share it, I may inadvertently give attention to Rowling.I don’t want these characters to have to die because of hate they wouldt stand for. I hoped if people retreated into reading fanfiction, it would give them a way to learn about acceptance and kindness without supporting Rowling.Does that make sense? Do you have any advice?
Even if I wasn’t a writer myself it would feel rude to say to abandon your work but as a writer it feels particularly wrong to say that, but I do get why this is a little difficult. I personally think a good option would be to
change names of characters and then expand on them as your own & do worldbuilding exercises to create a unique magical world in the 1920s. Rowling’s ideas aren’t that unique as I said and they lift a ton from already existing things, so it could be fun to create an independent world that has the aspects you enjoy from HP and the new that you expand on yourself. Of course this would mean less reach for your work and while popularity isn’t everything, I can get why that would be demotivating. But I think if you were already planning on a rewrite, this would be not far outside what the story already is, and you would still be able to finish what you and others have worked on. And
you could make a good product that is probably much better than whatever Rowling cooked up in the first place. You can still share it to other fans as a work that is like the world of Fantastic Beasts but not held back by Rowling’s shitty world, too. Original fiction is great and there’s definitely an audience for it even on ao3

Thank you, I could do that! I’m considering finishing it just so it’s finished and for peace of mind, but keeping it to myself and a few close friends and only possibly sharing it in the future.I would love to write my own story, it’s just a lot more work to make the characters different and not carbon copies of the ones I’ve grown to love.I’m debating sharing the gist of it with the people I’ve worked with, just do they know I liked their ideas and showing them what the story would have looked like. It would be nice closure for a lot of fans who found comfort and Newt and the other characters. A basic summary, basically. And I can give context about what made up my mind.I’m not sure. But thank you for the advice! I accept the challenge!
[–]glasswings363
This sounds like a bad idea, especially if you don't step down from your existing mod role.
Fuck those books but there's a limit to how much you can force people to be good.
Also
do I understand you're not trans? That can make it much harder for you to understand how much backlash you're provoking and whether it's a good idea.
[–]Prudent_Yogurt_8432
I don't know the best sources to talk about Rowling's transphobia comprehensively I remember Jamiedodger was doing a good job of keeping on top of that beat back when it first came out, but
she's said so many truly vile things since then that I've completely lost track, and for my own mental health I just try to ignore her these days as much as I can.
There are a few videos I would recommend that are more focused on critiquing the text of Harry Potter. Shaun's video on the subject is a good place to start for a broad overview of many of the weird bigotries and belief systems that are baked into the books. Verilybitchie has a good video on the books relationship with consumerism. James Woodall has a video called 'What Does Harry Potter Mean Now' which wrestles with this very question: I didn't entirely agree with everything he says but it's a compelling watch.
You ask if fan fiction can be a viable replacement and where we should draw the line. For starters, I do think engaging with fan fiction, and buying second hand or independently made unofficial merch is better than giving your time, attention, and money directly to Rowling. But I still don't think it's healthy, either for us, or honestly, for you the consumer.
Rowling uses her cultural cache as well as her money to further her hate campaign against trans people, and I think giving her, or her work, your attention is still feeding the fire. I don't know how realistic it is to expect this, but I think people just need to let Harry Potter go.
If folks are looking for alternative books to read my top choice would be Discworld by Terry Pratchett. They're not perfect books by any means, but despite his flaws Terry Pratchett seems to have been a genuinely decent human who thought a lot about and cared a lot about the world he lived in and the people who lived in that world alongside him and that really shines through in the stories he told.