Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

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Waid Livestream - What will happen?

  • Talks about the lawsuit.

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Further incriminates himself.

    Votes: 18 48.6%

  • Defames YaBoi again.

    Votes: 5 13.5%

  • Doesn't talk about the lawsuit nor CG.

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Host disagrees with Waid on something, chimpout insues.

    Votes: 7 18.9%

  • Normal interview. (no drama)

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Total voters
    37
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Gehenna said:
I've been mentally worrying on this for a while, and I think I might have realized what deal Weid and Zeid made.

To start, I highly doubt Weid would put up his comics willingly as collateral. The man is a complete manbaby, and the idea of sharing is foreign to this man, let alone giving away anything valuable. So, he'd either need to be tricked or coerced.

Coercion is... off the table here. No way would he keep quiet about that. So, tricked?

Zeid: "You have a strong case since this is totally frivolous, but I will need to be paid."
Weid: "I don't have that kind of cash lying around though...."
Zeid: "Well. we can always counter sue for such a frivolous lawsuit, but I'll need collateral to make it look above board.
Weid: "Well, I bought several comics from you, and I have a few rare things. We can pretend those are up if anyone asks..."

Something like this is what I suspect is going on. Would track with both parties personalities, the legal... history of Zeid, would explain why Zeid is being so exceptional so frequently, and would be a much better use of okhams razor to explain how Weid can afford this.

Two questions to any lawyers for my hypothetical speculation above:
1: Just HOW unethical would this be?
and 2: Would this have any effect on a settlement or judgment for Zach?
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it's slimy, for sure. Predatory, even. But it's par for the course. You hear about lawyers doing deals like this with clients all the time.
I guess it's illegal, but it's the kind of illegal that's hard to enforce, you know?
 
Gehenna said:
Zeid: "You have a strong case since this is totally frivolous, but I will need to be paid."
Weid: "I don't have that kind of cash lying around though...."
Zeid: "Well. we can always counter sue for such a frivolous lawsuit, but I'll need collateral to make it look above board.
Weid: "Well, I bought several comics from you, and I have a few rare things. We can pretend those are up if anyone asks..."
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That sounds like a glaring conflict of interest under MRPC 1.8(a) and constitutes obtaining an adverse interest to the nonlawyer client by a lawyer. It's arguable that's even disbarrable. At the very least, it's unlikely to be enforceable.

JohnDoe said:
Disbarment. Lying to a client in order to secure fee or other goods from them is fraud, full stop.
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8.4 is a catch-all for stuff that doesn't fall under another rule. MRPC 1.8(a) is actually directly applicable, though.

Gehenna said:
Isn't selling your clients out from under them to the CIA also cause for disbarment?
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Depends. There are permissive rules that allow disclosure of privileged information when the client is imminently going to commit a crime under 1.6(b)(2) or (3) for harm that resulted from prior crimes they used the lawyer's services in committing. Personally I'd never trust a lawyer who did that under the circumstances Zaid did for so much as a parking ticket but ymmv.
 
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AnOminous said:
That sounds like a glaring conflict of interest under MRPC 1.8(a) and constitutes obtaining an adverse interest to the nonlawyer client by a lawyer. It's arguable that's even disbarrable. At the very least, it's unlikely to be enforceable.
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Hmm, back to the drawing board then! While I would not put it past Zeid to do something that acts against his clients interest, I'd need to assume the man was a complete idiot to think he'd do it in a way he can't benefit from in the end.
 
Part of me hopes that in a few years, I'll be hearing about this trial on something like Robots Reading Reddit where Zaid/Waid's other lawyer talks about their experiences trying to wrangle him in.
 
lolz said:
I'm glad that Jeremy is happy with the settlement.

A mere apology would suck for ya boi Zack. Zack lost money. He lost a chance at reputation and expanding his potential audience. Zack had to cancel one of his crowdfunds, and this factored into it. He also lost money because he was doing Iron Sights+Jawbreakers at the same time and some people won't support one crowdfund while another is still unfulfilled. And Waid is still obviously producing massive amounts of tard cum in back channels. Don't make him just apologize. I hope Zack is able to make him hurt, make him bleed financially.
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Zack will likely push for what he sees as fair compensation. While he’s about as frugal as it comes, he’s big on the idea of fair reward for work. He’s talked about how he contracts people to work on his projects. He asks them to pitch a price, and he ups it if he feels they are underselling themselves. He’s also been paying bonuses based on sales.

One of his recurring arguments against his opponents is that they don’t seem to understand that comics is a business, not a “community”. I don’t think Zack is going to accept an apology and a derisory cash settlement, and Zack’s Indiegogo sales have proven that he’s no small player, which would need to be a factor in determining the extent to which Waid damaged Zack’s business.
 
PantsOfDesire said:
Zack will likely push for what he sees as fair compensation. While he’s about as frugal as it comes, he’s big on the idea of fair reward for work. He’s talked about how he contracts people to work on his projects. He asks them to pitch a price, and he ups it if he feels they are underselling themselves. He’s also been paying bonuses based on sales.

One of his recurring arguments against his opponents is that they don’t seem to understand that comics is a business, not a “community”. I don’t think Zack is going to accept an apology and a derisory cash settlement, and Zack’s Indiegogo sales have proven that he’s no small player, which would need to be a factor in determining the extent to which Waid damaged Zack’s business.
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He can also point to specific consequential damages in terms of what he had to pay to distribute his book and fulfill orders despite Waid's illegal sabotage.
 
AnOminous said:
He can also point to specific consequential damages in terms of what he had to pay to distribute his book and fulfill orders despite Waid's illegal sabotage.
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Definitely. Zack has routinely talked about the things he had to learn and the difficulties encountered in printing and distributing his books. For someone demonstrably able to pull in hundreds of thousands, the time spent doing this would be pretty expensive.
 
Been debating whether this belongs here or in #comicsgate. I figured here because it is both Meyer, and it highlights Waid's unethical antics.


TLDW... Mark Waid kicks a Black Female writer off her book to employ his ex Girlfriend. A story we have heard before. (with the same Girlfriend) Given that Ms. Grayson has not been seen or employed in the comic industry in years, a conspiratorial minded kiwi might start to wonder if she is in some way being paid off to remain silent in some regard.
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Been debating whether this belongs here or in #comicsgate. I figured here because it is both Meyer, and it highlights Waid's unethical antics.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uDVYs0bHb0s
TLDW... Mark Waid kicks a Black Female writer off her book to employ his ex Girlfriend. A story we have heard before. (with the same Girlfriend) Given that Ms. Grayson has not been seen or employed in the comic industry in years, a conspiratorial minded kiwi might start to wonder if she is in some way being paid off to remain silent in some regard.
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So Mark Waid has now excluded more women of color from comics than Richard Meyer.
 
RodgerDodger said:
Been debating whether this belongs here or in #comicsgate. I figured here because it is both Meyer, and it highlights Waid's unethical antics.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uDVYs0bHb0s
TLDW... Mark Waid kicks a Black Female writer off her book to employ his ex Girlfriend. A story we have heard before. (with the same Girlfriend) Given that Ms. Grayson has not been seen or employed in the comic industry in years, a conspiratorial minded kiwi might start to wonder if she is in some way being paid off to remain silent in some regard.
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Great minds think alike:

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Just an update on the GoFundMe’s: NO ONE has donated to Waid’s GoFundMe in 23 days and Meyers is up $2,000. I’m more curious about Zeid accepting the comics as an alternate form of payment for current services, not as collateral, regardless of future counter suit.
 
New opinion. Waid wins in part and loses in part. He loses on the defamation because he only alleged defamation by Waid's online media accounts.

The court has jurisdiction over tortious interference.

But since specific personal jurisdiction is claim-specific and online defamation by itself is not (in the opinion of the Magistrate) sufficient for personal jurisdiction, it doesn't have jurisdiction over the defamation claims.

People have noted this:

AnOminous said:
Meyer should probably at least amend the complaint to add the defamation Waid committed while he was actually physically present in Texas.
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(Responding to @damian.)

I am pretty sure it can be amended and that an amended complaint would relate back and not have blown the statute of limitations, although that could be an issue with a one year s.o.l. It would have been prudent to amend the complaint in response to the motion but let's not cry over spilt milk.

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