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You're seriously underestimating the glut of good looking young women who are desperate to be famous. Where do you think e-thots came from? That's the whole reason this rotten system persists: there's always another hopeful starlet waiting in the wings, and if you're not willing to do what Harvey wants, well, there's a line of ten girls ready to jump at the chance.

Think of the young actresses over the years who had a breakout role -- or even won an Oscar, like Mira Sorvino or Mairsa Tomei -- who immediately vanished from the movie theatre. In many cases, that happened because they weren't willing to get on their knees, and so their opportunities disappeared. Even an Oscar wasn't enough, and in Mira Sorvino's case, neither was having a father who was significant (if not a major star) in the industry.

If you are in a line of work where you could be replaced by any nobody near instantly then you've made poor life decisions. I would feel bad for a hobo before I'll feel bad for a hollywood starlet.

Unless you have actual proof about those actresses refusing to suck cock and getting yeeted out of the industry (by everyone, for some reason) then it's just baseless accusations. There is no shortage of reasons, both professional and personal, for actors to stop working. Doubly so women who are less pretty as they get older.

This reminds me probably the most ridiculous case of actresses talking about Weinstein- Angelina Jolie. The woman made for herself a political career and drags her kids into war zones, but apperantly was too afraid of calling out a fat old jew for sexually harrasing her until the accusations came to light. It's just all bullshit.

 

[Mola Ram]

Unless you have actual proof about those actresses refusing to suck cock and getting yeeted out of the industry (by everyone, for some reason) then it's just baseless accusations. There is no shortage of reasons, both professional and personal, for actors to stop working. Doubly so women who are less pretty as they get older.

That's ... exactly what Mira Sorvino has said happened to her. For that matter, the same thing happened to Lena Headey, who claims she rebuffed Harvey Weinstein on several occasions, and whose career was a dead end until Game of Thrones, where she was initially not exactly headliner material. I don't think it's a stretch to consider that this is a very widespread situation.

 

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That's ... exactly what Mira Sorvino has said happened to her. For that matter, the same thing happened to Lena Headey, who claims she rebuffed Harvey Weinstein on several occasions, and whose career was a dead end until Game of Thrones, where she was initially not exactly headliner material. I don't think it's a stretch to consider that this is a very widespread situation.

Did the accusations came before or after the whole thing was blown over?

 

[Mola Ram]

Did the accusations came before or after the whole thing was blown over?

Pretty much all of these accusations came up in public around the same time, which naturally makes one suspicious that some of them must be opportunistic rather than genuine.

I just find it very curious how many of these actresses had promising careers that stalled out for no particular reason.

 

[Idiotron]

That's ... exactly what Mira Sorvino has said happened to her. For that matter, the same thing happened to Lena Headey, who claims she rebuffed Harvey Weinstein on several occasions, and whose career was a dead end until Game of Thrones, where she was initially not exactly headliner material. I don't think it's a stretch to consider that this is a very widespread situation.

Let's see.... Mira Sorvino.... 100 acting credits... 8 movies in development.... $16 million net worth.
Poor baby, I sure pity her.
Truly, a victim of the patriarchy.

 

[Dom Cruise]

By the way, on the topic movie of theaters.

One thing I guess that would be a shame if they went away is you'd never have bizarre experiences like I had when I went to see Machete in 2010, where I sat next to this young Mexican boy who was with his whole family and then there was a scene where a nude woman pulls a cell phone out of her vagina, with no one covering the kid's eyes or anything.

That was messed up, but kind of hilarious.

 

[Mola Ram]

Let's see.... Mira Sorvino.... 100 acting credits... 8 movies in development.... $16 million net worth.
Poor baby, I sure pity her.
Truly, a victim of the patriarchy.

I'm in no way denying the possibility that they're all fuckin' whores, mind you, except for the ones who don't play the game at all. But we probably never hear much of them.

 

[frozenrunner]

Hollywood is far smaller than you might think. And I'm sure because of that there are several "bottlenecks" controlled by gatekeepers like (allegedly) Weinstein. And if the gatekeeper is a monster, you get Weinstein-like behavior.

So we shouldn't be unsympathetic to anybody who is given that pretty frightening choice, to sexually service a disgusting stranger or to have no career. But Weinstein, and guys like him, will always exist. It shouldn't be that way, but it will be that way. And not being Hollywood-famous is not a death sentence. Surely, plenty of men and women have refused to comply with such requests and have kept their self-respect and dignity, even if they didn't end up as Hollywood-manufactured stars.

And so when these actresses, unless they were literally raped (as in, the real definition of the word), say they "didn't have a choice," they're not telling the truth even if they feel like they are. They were put in an unfair (to put it mildly) position that nobody should ever be put in... but they made their choices, and not a few of them did it without hesitation (because everyone in Hollywood knew about Harvey), and they're all playing the victim now that Weinstein is no longer a resource for them so they can have their cake and eat it too. If there's some other credible way to explain their total silence until they saw the dogpile begin, I would like to hear it.

And because of that, I don't think I can take a movie seriously where everyone is acting like other people exchanging sex for profit is horrifying. It's disgusting and shameful, but it's far more disappointing and banal than horrifying. That's Hollywood for you: filled with glorified prostitutes who talk down to and lecture the rest of us.

 

[ditto]

And because of that, I don't think I can take a movie seriously where everyone is acting like other people exchanging sex for profit is horrifying. It's disgusting and shameful, but it's far more disappointing and banal than horrifying. That's Hollywood for you: filled with glorified prostitutes who talk down to and lecture the rest of us.

Want everyone to believe they rose to the top based on raw talent and merit alone. Having that exposed is more humiliating to them than any casting couch.

You're seriously underestimating the glut of good looking young women who are desperate to be famous. Where do you think e-thots came from? That's the whole reason this rotten system persists: there's always another hopeful starlet waiting in the wings, and if you're not willing to do what Harvey wants, well, there's a line of ten girls ready to jump at the chance.

At the end of the day, Hollywood of old at least picked talented actresses to star. Since the 80s it seems that talent has become less and less important. How else does Daisy Ridley star in a Star Wars trilogy or Scarlett Johansson have a career?

 

[Flexo]

It certainly goes a long way to explain why the movies are always so off about businesses and private enterprises - and even how liberal they are.

Because Hollywood is apparently actually like how they assume other businesses operate. (Save perhaps hired hitmen? But who can be sure.) i.e. How often in movies do villainous businessmen take actions which would be MORE expensive than doing literally anything else? But we have no end of examples of studios opting to do extremely stupid things even when the effort is costing them more money than it would be to do nothing.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

There's a scene in The Godfather (novel only, although there is a less graphic version of it in a deleted scene from the film, maybe restored in some cuts) where, while he's making the visit to Hollywood that ends with a horse's head in Jack Woltz's bed, Tom Hagen sees a beautiful young girl and her mother sitting outside the producer's office. He sees her emerge a while later with her makeup running, clothes disheveled, very obviously having been raped. While the scene was intended to show that even the murderous Corleone family was disgusted by Hollywood's depravity, rumor has it that it was based on an actual incident. While I'm not sure who the producer was supposed to be, the theory is that the little girl was Elizabeth Taylor.

This shit has been going on for decades, probably a century, and every fucking shitbag in Hollywood knows it.

Hearing this made me wish the movie would have had Woltz getting his head cut off and placed in his horses bed (stable.)

 

[KrewlKween]

Has that strange money bag ever shown up on the desk before? And why was the depth of field so fucking weird on Jay? Normally you can see the posters and clutter behind them but they were completely blurred due to the depth of field setting. I'm going to throw out a conspiracy theory that they were actually sponsored by Doritos. The Doritos were literally leaning on the money bag. That or they thought it would be funny to make people think they were sponsored.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Hollywood is far smaller than you might think. And I'm sure because of that there are several "bottlenecks" controlled by gatekeepers like (allegedly) Weinstein. And if the gatekeeper is a monster, you get Weinstein-like behavior.

So we shouldn't be unsympathetic to anybody who is given that pretty frightening choice, to sexually service a disgusting stranger or to have no career. But Weinstein, and guys like him, will always exist. It shouldn't be that way, but it will be that way. And not being Hollywood-famous is not a death sentence. Surely, plenty of men and women have refused to comply with such requests and have kept their self-respect and dignity, even if they didn't end up as Hollywood-manufactured stars.

And so when these actresses, unless they were literally raped (as in, the real definition of the word), say they "didn't have a choice," they're not telling the truth even if they feel like they are. They were put in an unfair (to put it mildly) position that nobody should ever be put in... but they made their choices, and not a few of them did it without hesitation (because everyone in Hollywood knew about Harvey), and they're all playing the victim now that Weinstein is no longer a resource for them so they can have their cake and eat it too. If there's some other credible way to explain their total silence until they saw the dogpile begin, I would like to hear it.

And because of that, I don't think I can take a movie seriously where everyone is acting like other people exchanging sex for profit is horrifying. It's disgusting and shameful, but it's far more disappointing and banal than horrifying. That's Hollywood for you: filled with glorified prostitutes who talk down to and lecture the rest of us.

I wouldn't be surprised if Weinstein is hyped solely because his case is just scratching the surface in Hollywood's crimes of sexual exploitation. While adults can make an informed decision about selling their bodies, there is 100% ongoing abuse of children in Hollywood. So the industry pretends Weinstein is the absolutely most evil thing in it and that upon removing it Hollywood is back to being a pure place.

 

[Flexo]

I wouldn't be surprised if Weinstein is hyped solely because his case is just scratching the surface in Hollywood's crimes of sexual exploitation. While adults can make an informed decision about selling their bodies, there is 100% ongoing abuse of children in Hollywood. So the industry pretends Weinstein is the absolutely most evil thing in it and that upon removing it Hollywood is back to being a pure place.

I don't know if i have ever run across anyone that doesn't think Harvey was a sacrificial pawn.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

I don't know if i have ever run across anyone that doesn't think Harvey was a sacrificial pawn.

I mean, he absolutely was. Hollywood doesn't hate Wenstein for what he did. They hate him because he got caught.

 

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I don't know if i have ever run across anyone that doesn't think Harvey was a sacrificial pawn.

I mean, he absolutely was. Hollywood doesn't hate Wenstein for what he did. They hate him because he got caught.

The media likes to frame Harvey as being an imposing predator that you cannot talk against, but the fact of the matter was that media establishments would not have run any allegation against Hollywood execs no matter who made them (unless the target was in a political/economic interest). The whole thing could have been stayed buried like it had for the last decades, but the post election climate created a situation for a coup.

The #MeToo tried (and might succeeded) to create a new power balance in Hollywood. The people calling the shots anymore aren't the exces, but the HR departments and women's organizations that could use their media connections to destroy any person's life. Harvey wasn't a sacrifical pawn or someone who got caught, he was the decapitated horse head displayed to the other higher ups to make them understand who's the real people in charge.

 

[frozenrunner]

The #MeToo tried (and might succeeded) to create a new power balance in Hollywood.

No it won't.

 

[Flexo]

Harvey wasn't a sacrifical pawn or someone who got caught, he was the decapitated horse head

Well I meant "sacrificial pawn" in the manner you use "decapitated horse head." I couldn't think of the term to mean "formerly useful thing destroyed to send a message."

 

[Mister Qwerty]

I mean, he absolutely was. Hollywood doesn't hate Wenstein for what he did. They hate him because he got caught.

I always believed the reason for Weinstein’s downfall had more to do with Donald Trump getting elected president. Every liberal associated in the entertainment industry (especially actors who got their positions via the casting couch) were furious and the wolves who run Hollywood needed a sacrificial lamb and Harvey fit the bill perfectly.

 

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No it won't.

I'm not sure, say what you want about execs, in the end of the day they care most about money. But Hollywood has went full in with woke in recent years despite being provingly poison. Having them being pressured by bodies that disregard loss of money makes sense in that regard.

Well I meant "sacrificial pawn" in the manner you use "decapitated horse head." I couldn't think of the term to mean "formerly useful thing destroyed to send a message."

Sacrificial pawn is something that you put out to get the heat off, rather than send a message. Also what kind of message would outing Weinstein achieve? Hollywood was completely loyal to Clinton:

It would have made sense if Weinstein was a Trump supporter but I haven't heard anything about that.