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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%
  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%

  • Total voters
    1,073
Possibly, but it would have been a better story to see fleshed out than Anakin Loves Padme: Sound of Music in Space.
It certainly would have been. You'll never catch me arguing that the Prequels couldn't have been better, but I think they're definitely not as bad as many people make them out to be (part of the problem, apparently, was that Lucas was his own last choice to direct, but his conflict with the Directors Guild of America essentially forced him to take up the reins anyway).
 
It certainly would have been. You'll never catch me arguing that the Prequels couldn't have been better, but I think they're definitely not as bad as many people make them out to be.

I've said it once, I'll say it again: Ideas and production value don't solely prop up a movie.

Your ideas have to work. I still say if these films were "Generic Space Opera" and not "STAR WARS", they wouldn't be remembered at all. And if Lucas had the freedom to make "what he wanted" from the start, Star Wars wouldn't even be a thing. I'll quote Mike again, "The luckiest man in show business, next to Ringo Starr."

And I agree. Lucas should stick to being an idea man. Let the others work out the nuances of those ideas, direct, and then write the rest.
 
And I disagree that the PT had only ideas and production values going for it.

It had some good ideas and an overall interesting narrative (far more so than the sequels), but I personally don't think that matters when it wasn't executed properly. The best ideas in the world still suck if you don't utilize them, or worse, squander them.

Lucas should've given an outline of the story and let a more competant writer take the helm at visualizing it. It's exactly what happened with Avatar: The Last Airbender. Aaron Ehaz is the biggest reason that show became what it did, especially when we later saw what Mike and Bryan could do on their own. It's an eerie parallel: TLA and Korra, OT and Prequels. :thinking:
 
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I hated Bright mostly because it was painfully obvious that somewhere in one of Max Landis's apartments there's a stack of old Shadowrun books and probably a copy of that old Urban Arcana supplement for d20 Modern covered with notes and hi-lighter marks.
lol well sometimes you've got to take what you can get from Hollywood.

I mean which would you prefer? Max Landis filing the serial numbers off? Or having a Wil Smith led Shadowrun adaption?

I mean look - I like Smith, can watch him in almost anything, but from what I know of Shadowrun, it's just not a good fit for him. You know he'll insist on a bit of creative control for projects so just imagine then what the Shadowrun movie would have been with Smith making it fit his sensibilities.
 
Fuck you, AOTC is a great film.
lol. Come the fuck on nigga.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rBBmfauVE_4
They're not perfect, but George Lucas knows how to construct a great scene,
He really doesn't. The scene you linked is one of the few good ones in a 130+ minute movie, which is mostly filled with inane exposition-laden conversation scenes with framing straight out of a soap. It's more a case of a broken clock being right twice a day than it is an example of the genius that is George Lucas.

I think it's possible that he knows how to craft an engaging scene, but he just chose to not fucking do it. It's very noticable with action scenes. The arena scene with the animals works because it takes its time to build suspense, and the characters actually seem vulnerable and have to be creative in their attempts to get out of it. It's also interesting because there's three very different animals facing off against three characters who pursue their own tactics to survive them.

Then the Jedi and clone troopers drop in out of nowhere and the action becomes the standard Prequel insipid, unengaging clusterfuck which drags on way too fucking long. Because apparantly that's what Lucas likes and thinks is cool.

There's one part of TPM that was unironically great, and it was something that happened for a split second during the final battle. After minutes of overchoreographed, boring ''''action'''' which is enjoyable only if you like looking at the CGI backdrops, the combatants are suddenly seperated from eachother in a hallway by these see-through screens. The combat abruptly stops, and we see the characters wait for the doors to open. The epic score dies down to a slow rythmic drumming, punctuated by the low electronic hum from the screens. We see our characters deal with the situation: Darth Maul paces around like a caged tiger while glaring intently at Qui-gon, who has taken the time to drop to his knees and serenely meditate with his eyes closed. Meanwhile Obi-wan anxiously looks on, eager to jump in and aid his master.

It's the only fucking scene in the whole movie that takes its time to build suspense and atmosphere, and to show the audience something through showing, rather than telling. Moreover, it's the only scene which actually tells us something of the personalities of our two leads and main villain, who have all been utter 2d emotionless cardboard cutouts for the entire movie. Then the doors open we're back to the meaningless action.

That little moment was more engaging than the hour of plot that preceded it, and it honestly wouldn't surpise me if Lucas had nothing to do with it.
which is more than I can say about JJ Abrams.
I think Abrams is at least competent when it comes to the technical aspects of film-making, but he's so utterly creatively bankrupt, safe and bland that his movies might as well be made by some random generator. Again, the prequels were hot messes, but at least there's a sense that there was some creative mind behind the decisions, even if a lot of those decisions were harebrained. I'd still far rather watch anything made by Lucas than something that JoowJoow shat out.
 
Christopher Lee was a very fine meatbag. I would have cried over killing him. (thankfully the Reaper beat me to it - and he was probably just offering tips over how to play himself*)

*Christopher Lee voiced Death in the Discworld adaptions.



This is what bugs me about the prequels, and it's worse in the sequels and more films today. It's largely what @Cyril Sneer and I were autistically slap fighting over in the Star Wars thread too.

Blank Canvas writing.

Let's use the prequels as an example. Let's take this statement: "suffered from being leashed by the senate and clinging to past dogma"

If I were to ask anyone to back up the statement with scenes or actual lines within the movies themselves, you really can't. At best you would be able to take a line here or there and construct an explanation from it, BUT (and this is key), I or anyone else could take those same lines (or a few others) and construct a counter explanation that would be just as valid.

Let's use a counter example. Let's use the statement: "Leia Organa is Luke Skywalker's sister." Can that be proven? Quite. You can use lines from RotJ and the actual scenes of them being born, named, and given away in RotS. This is a plot statement backed up by the text.

Now, I do know there is the extended universe, and a LOT of plot holes were filled in there. That's another topic. The point is that a story should be self contained, and any exploration outside of the story should be a bonus for fans, not a requirement for viewers.

This doesn't mean you have to go into long autistic details of exposition on every minute detail, but you do have to make sure you cover a bare minimum for the plot to function. The OT is a master class in this as it has the moff council scene. Are we told every little detail about galactic politics? Nope, we're told just enough to make it all work. Contrast this with the Prequels which don't explain shit. Take the opening crawl about "taxes and trade routes." Why exactly is the Trade Federation messing with Naboo over taxes? Oh sure you can find in supplementary material that it was Palpatine sponsoring the tax bill that pissed off the trade federation, but that is no where in the movie. (heck it could have been one added sentence in the opening crawl)

I trust from here you can start to see how it gets even worse with the Sequel trilogy.

That's what makes discussions about these films (and many others) so frustrating. Scott Adams has used the phrase "1 screen, 2 movies" in the past to describe reality, the problem is that it actually describes movies nowadays as well. We can both see the same movie, but if we both have to construct additional points in our head to make the film work, then obviously there's going to be 2 different movies. Because the framework I constructed for the plot is going to be different from the framework you constructed for the plot. i.e. In your mind, the hero had a dead wife to motivate him, while in my mind it was a dead little sister that was motivating the hero.

I think the worst part is that people are becoming so accustomed to it, they're doing it to movies that don't even require it. So you get things like people hating on Bright for seemingly reasons of the movie they constructed in their mind, even though the text of the film is pretty explanatory on the whole. (I'd say there's about... 2-3 points that are a little too blank and needed details.)

Anyway, all this to say, part of why I like RLM and even MauLer is that they are popular youtubers doing their part to fight this blank-canvas scourge.
A core aspect of Blank Canvas Films that you so graciously pointed out in the SW thread a long time ago should not go unmentioned here:

Blank canvas bullshit forces watchers to fill in the blanks themselves, this makes them very protective against and dismissive of any criticism lopped at the movie and will result in open hostility when one calls out flaws too much, since subconciously, they have a stake in the construction of the plot. To call out the bullshit is also to insult their leaps of logic to make it work in their head.

And I would also like to add that I used this meta stuff very successfully in the past to make someone understand how bad the ST actually is. First they were very dismissive and came up with a thousand reasons why the movie was 100% perfect without a plothole and I countered with highlighting the vast size of the plothole, the implications for the entire setting and how the explanation was nowhere within the movies - and as a coup de grace, I explained what the canonical explanation in the novelization was and how far off their own fill-in headcanon was.

And when it comes to Christopher Lee, he was a total treasure of a man.
He starred in a German fantasy fan movie set in the world of "The Dark Eye", basically the German pendant to DnD.

The guys that made the movie heard that Christopher Lee would show up at a fundraiser somewhere around where they live, so they went there and asked him if he'd be willing to help by saying a line of dialogue and he said yes.

This is also why The Dark Eye is objectively better than DnD.
DnD had an offical movie made in Hollywood with a big budget and the best BBEG they could get was Jeremy Irons.
The Dark Eye only has a fan-made movie and the bad guy is played by Christopher Lee.

It had some good ideas and an overall interesting narrative (far more so than the sequels)
Wait, there was a narrative in the sequels? I thought they just came up with stuff as they went along.
 
I just skimmed through the movie looking for him, and this shit is gold. It's like a nerdy Euro equivalent to those amateur African blockbusters.
Well, he only has one line of dialogue (delivered by himself in German, cause he's awesome that way) and I timestamped it.

I've never watched more than a minute cause it's cringe galore, but someone poured a lot of work into it and for that I salute them. We should fund Big Man Tyrone and some others to voice an English version and send it to BOTW.
 
What I don't get about Picard is what exactly is the Brexit part of it. The Federation isn't breaking up, is it? If the Vulcans decided they had enough of overly emotional races and wanted to become isolationists, for example, that would be one thing; but instead it is only about refugees and not about shit like fishing rights, EU army, EU courts, and all the rest.
 
Lucas' original idea of having Jar Jar be this ultimate deceiver Sith lord too, honestly, would've been pretty awesome.
You don't actually buy into this braindead meme theory did you? Or did Lucas claim this actually was his plan just like how Anakin and Vader were always totally the same person.
 
You don't actually buy into this braindead meme theory did you? Or did Lucas claim this actually was his plan just like how Anakin and Vader were always totally the same person.

I don't really care either way. The pieces were all in place, and I know the guy who played Jar Jar outright confirmed it. All I was saying was that it could've been a cool idea, whether it was intended or not.

And yes, it's obvious that Lucas never intended Vader to be Anakin, or even Leia as his sister. SW is full of holes in every single movie; it's why I can generally take it or leave it. It doesn't mean much to me and I grew out of it long ago, but it is still fun to discuss or analyze (always been a fan of reviews of any sort).
 
What I don't get about Picard is what exactly is the Brexit part of it. The Federation isn't breaking up, is it? If the Vulcans decided they had enough of overly emotional races and wanted to become isolationists, for example, that would be one thing; but instead it is only about refugees and not about shit like fishing rights, EU army, EU courts, and all the rest.
The people who wanted Brexit were the romulans because MUH HOMELAND and manufactured a crisis.
 
This is also why The Dark Eye is objectively better than DnD.
DnD had an offical movie made in Hollywood with a big budget and the best BBEG they could get was Jeremy Irons.
The Dark Eye only has a fan-made movie and the bad guy is played by Christopher Lee.
Don't take this as any defense of D&D because that movie is delicious in its awfulness.

BUT, believe it or not, GBF helped me to realize that it was actually a fan-made movie as well.

Doesn't improve the film at all, but if I had any feelings, I would have just a bit of warmth towards it now.
 
Don't take this as any defense of D&D because that movie is delicious in its awfulness.

BUT, believe it or not, GBF helped me to realize that it was actually a fan-made movie as well.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lwXH1c--BzQ
Doesn't improve the film at all, but if I had any feelings, I would have just a bit of warmth towards it now.

I can't be the only one who watched it just because the nerd chick in it is cute as hell, right?
 
The overall structure did have potential; Palpatine taking over, clones as troopers, etc; all interesting ideas but all executed poorly.
Lucas' original idea of having Jar Jar be this ultimate deceiver Sith lord too, honestly, would've been pretty awesome.
I think you misread, I was taking a jab at the sequels, not the prequels. But I agree, the prequels had the potential to be really great movies, it's just that the execution was botched worse than that of William Kemmler.
 
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The entire ST is a missed opportunity to address the failings of the Jedi in the PT. They were so massively determined to make Rey the Hero while at the same time totally subvert the Jedi Order and what Luke accomplished in the OT that they would have been better served as making Rey a Dark Side user and Kylo Ren the inadequate inheritor of a flawed legacy.

Reys upbringing was shit. She was abandoned on a planet. Had to live like a slave to some fat personification of the patriarchy. But she was also a palpatine and she finally snaps. And ends up attracting the attention of Darth Plageuis who has also been in hiding on her planet. And so we get an inversion of the training arc. Only from the perspective of the Sith.

Yeah this is not true to Lucas" pure vision of Good vs. Evil, but so what. We already saw that with the OT. Something new would be to challenge the OT. Intelligently. And the final "Duel of Fates" would not be Some bullshit palpatine clone vs. The Best Jedi Ever Rey. It would have been Luke Skywalker at the height of his power vs. Rey as a Sith Lord achieving the height of her power over a 3 movie arc. The dunking on Luke and the Jedi would have been more acceptable as we would be seeing it from the perspective of the Sith.

But nah. We got stupid instead.

I actually think Finn should have been the main character. It would have worked really well with the whole adopted Skywalker angle. I mean his backstory is more interesting and redundant to Rey's...

Blood vs the annointed. Probably would have made a nice meditation on what family is...
 
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I actually think Finn should have been the main character. It would have worked really well with the whole adopted Skywalker angle. I mean his backstory is more interesting and redundant to Rey's...

Blood vs the annointed. Probably would have made a nice meditation on what family is...

He as the only main character that didn't really correspond to one from the OT as well.

The only scene I really liked in the first ST movie was when he awkwardly was trying his best to fight Kylo Ren with a lightsaber. He didn't know what the hell he was doing but he was still trying to help. It felt genuine and it's a shame they didn't work on that more.
 
He as the only main character that didn't really correspond to one from the OT as well.

The only scene I really liked in the first ST movie was when he awkwardly was trying his best to fight Kylo Ren with a lightsaber. He didn't know what the hell he was doing but he was still trying to help. It felt genuine and it's a shame they didn't work on that more.
It's a shame that the only reasons that he wasn't a main character is that he didn't fit with Kathleen's feminist agenda and that the Chinese hate blacks.
 
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