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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Twinkletard said:
Not saying DS9 wasn't solid, just that BoBW was the peak, the jump-the-shark moment where ST never was able to surpass quality wise. I can't think of a single episode or two-parter that managed to pull off what that storyline did afterwards. Wrath of Khan was better, for sure. Maybe Undiscovered Country. But everything after those episodes couldn't get the viewership and fans hyped like that again. DS9 was a slower burn, very well-written and acted show. VOY, and even ENT had their moments, but I was never that eager to see a show's story resolve itself like that ever again.
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What about that episode of voyager where Paris breaks warp 10 and becomes one with the universe, so he evolves into a ninja turtle, kidnaps, rapes and evolves janeway into a ninja turtle and then they both devolve into fish monsters?
 
Ineedahero said:
What about that episode of voyager where Paris breaks warp 10 and becomes one with the universe, so he evolves into a ninja turtle, kidnaps, rapes and evolves janeway into a ninja turtle and then they both devolve into fish monsters?
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They show Janeway and Paris as lizards in the pond and talk about how they fucked an laid a bunch of eggs.

In the very next scene they're both sitting in Sick Bay, completely back to normal, with the Doctor waving a tricorder and telling them they've made a complete recovery.

Never laughed so hard at unintentional silliness in a Trek episode.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Fuck you, AOTC is a great film.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rBBmfauVE_4
They're not perfect, but George Lucas knows how to construct a great scene, which is more than I can say about JJ Abrams.
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The Prequels are essentially bad films sprinkled with loads of potential.

A little tightening up in the script, acting and editing department, ie if Lucas had kept his ego in check and collaborated more instead of trying to do most of the heavy lifting himself and while they probably would still not have been as good as the original trilogy or have quite lived up to people's sky high expectations they easily could have been solid movies.

Mola Ram said:
or Sybil Danning yanking her top off 20 times in the end credits.
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That really is hilarious.

Supposedly Sybil Danning was very upset about that when the movie premiered, because there's a difference in agreeing to show your breasts in a movie once versus 20 times, which makes me feel a little bad about it, but it's still hilarious.
 
ditto said:
They show Janeway and Paris as lizards in the pond and talk about how they fucked an laid a bunch of eggs.

In the very next scene they're both sitting in Sick Bay, completely back to normal, with the Doctor waving a tricorder and telling them they've made a complete recovery.

Never laughed so hard at unintentional silliness in a Trek episode.
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This was the very first episode of Voyager I watched. I thought "What the fuck is this?" and stopped. This wasn't the only place in Star Trek that had lazy writing. There was an episode of DS9 where the doctor creates a clone from cells taken from a supposed murder victim in some kind of murder mystery plot. I forget how the plot ended, but I remember the ending narration mentioning that the clone had grown to adulthood off-camera and was being educated. I thought. "Wow. I'd sure like to hear the story of that clone. Imagine finding yourself suddenly coming into existence and having to deal with being plunked down into a world with no family or no frame of reference! Why couldn't the episode have been about that clone rather than the forgettable murder mystery plot? " It's like the writers of the Star Trek series, in the process of coming up with magic techno-stuff to move the plot along, accidentally stumbled upon even better plots that they just ignored.
 
Cyril Sneer said:
This feels like an example of Scott Adams' "One Screen, Two Movies" idea. Like, I'm sitting here noting how Qui-Gon is propelled from scene to scene with this aura of invincible serenity because he lives in the moment and trusts in the Will of the Force, while Obi-Wan is always wanting to default to the rulebook, lacks faith and is generally uncomfortable with thinking for himself or outside the box, while at the same time showing a dry humor that helps humanize him but also serves to further drive home his character flaws.

And there you are, robotically repeating "LOL Prequels dumb."
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You do understand that "Wants to do things by the book" and "Is a loose cannon" are only personality traits in the broadest sense right?
Aside from killing Maul, Obi-Wan is a non-entity in TPM and Qui-Gon is hardly any better.
Either cut Qui-Gon and have the Obi-Wan-Anakin relationship take center stage right away or hold Obi-Wan back for AOTC and focus on the Qui-Gon-Anakin relationship in TPM.
The former helps sell the idea of Obi-Wan taking on an apprentice he's not ready for.
The latter does much the same but with the added bonus of Qui-Gon's death contributing to Anakin's attachment, trust, and separation issues.
And don't spew some fan interpretation crap about how "that's what already happens in the films" or cite some obscure EU project that nobody cares about.
Movies need to stand on their own. And they need to communicate their themes and plots clearly and coherently. Which the Prequels most certainly don't.
It's not the job of fans or tie-in writers to paper over the flaws.
 
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Ineedahero said:
What about that episode of voyager where Paris breaks warp 10 and becomes one with the universe, so he evolves into a ninja turtle, kidnaps, rapes and evolves janeway into a ninja turtle and then they both devolve into fish monsters?
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Voyager had its bad episodes, but even that episode has amazing makeup and a few good lines here and there. The Episode's first half is pretty decent with the only flaw being this ridiculous "You are everywhere at once" nonsense... I think the episode is so bad, not cause it is bad start to finish, it starts out ok, has a few neat moments and then devolves. It's a rollercoaster ride of bad.

And on the other hand you have pretty awesome episodes... like every episode with a focus on the Doctor.

I think even ENT could have been great if it had gone for a Federation-Klingon war angle instead of this utterly bizarre "Temporal Cold War" plot. ENT should have felt more like TOS in style and stories, since otherwise it just feels weird when compared to what would follow later on. You can tell that some writer went "Temporal Cold War... that sounds badass... I have no clue what that is, but man, I'll write an entire show around these three words!".
Oh.... and remove Dr. Flox, that dollar-store off-brand Neelix is worse than the original.
 
BR55 said:
You do understand that "Wants to do things by the book" and "Is a loose cannon" are only personality traits in the broadest sense right?
Aside from killing Maul, Obi-Wan is a non-entity in TPM and Qui-Gon is hardly any better.
Either cut Qui-Gon and have the Obi-Wan-Anakin relationship take center stage right away or hold Obi-Wan back for AOTC and focus on the Qui-Gon-Anakin relationship in TPM.
The former helps sell the idea of Obi-Wan taking on an apprentice he's not ready for.
The latter does much the same but with the added bonus of Qui-Gon's death contributing to Anakin's attachment, trust, and separation issues.
And don't spew some fan interpretation crap about how "that's what already happens in the films" or cite some obscure EU project that nobody cares about.
Movies need to stand on their own. And they need to communicate their themes and plots clearly and coherently. Which the Prequels most certainly don't.
It's not the job of fans or tie-in writers to paper over the flaws.
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This reminds me of when Dave Filoni blurted out some fart-huffing nonsense about how the lightsaber duel at the end of TPM was the most important moment in the entire series.

Granted, this is a guy who made an entire career out of "fixing" the Prequels.
 
Pokemonquistador2 said:
...but I remember the ending narration mentioning that the clone had grown to adulthood off-camera and was being educated. I thought. "Wow. I'd sure like to hear the story of that clone. Imagine finding yourself suddenly coming into existence and having to deal with being plunked down into a world with no family or no frame of reference! Why couldn't the episode have been about that clone rather than the forgettable murder mystery plot? " It's like the writers of the Star Trek series, in the process of coming up with magic techno-stuff to move the plot along, accidentally stumbled upon even better plots that they just ignored.
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The same thing happened to Uhura in the original series (The Changeling, I think). And they sort of punted it there as well.

Funny thing is that this was also an X-Men plot with Captain Marvel (Danvers), where they actually dealt with how that would be a legitimate, crippling trauma.
 
Ineedahero said:
What about that episode of voyager where Paris breaks warp 10 and becomes one with the universe, so he evolves into a ninja turtle, kidnaps, rapes and evolves janeway into a ninja turtle and then they both devolve into fish monsters?
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lmao, I think the keyword with Voyager and Enterprise is 'moments'. They didn't do the franchise any favors by existing, and probably led to the nutrek shit we have today. But at least nutrek can make us appreciate Voyager all that much more. If you asked me 20 years ago if there was anything that could make me respect the writing on that show, I would have never believed it possible.
 
Part of me thinks Neil Breen must be self aware, but his films just seem too perfectly awful for that to be the case. If you set out to make an intentionally bad film, you just make a bad film.
 
Zaat vs Rawhead Rex vs Orson Welles is my dream match up.

I think our man Orson has it though. He is not encumbered by a rubber suit, only his childhood.
 
Jay's friend has fucking Freddie Freaker shirt.
 
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